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The idea that the fans "need to do something" or "continue the gatekeeping" or anything else is absurd. Femstodes are in the book, what are people going to do? Go protesting in notthingham about it? No. We already see things still selling out on GWs website for new releases, so that didn't dent sales either. Unless everyone in this thread plans on going to their next RTT and roundhouse kicking trannies in the jaw until they get out of warhammer, it isn't going to amount to fuck all.
Like I said, gatekeeping is impossible when the company and the original writers of the lore already hated the Right and would happily open the doors to the SJW left. You can't successfully gatekeep when the proverbial lord of the castle willingly opened the gates to the enemy.

We'll have to see if the paypigs come over from the other brands. The current like to dislike ratio on their jewtube mirrors Disney and their epic smash hits like Ashoka.
FUCK NO. The people who watch MCU-NuWars stuff are not the kind who paint and assemble models. Expect their rooms to be filled with action figures or funko pops. That, and even if they approve of Wokehammer, there's no way in hell they'll drop $5K on plastic that they have to paint and assemble.

Also no, the Emperor wasn't a fedora tipper before it the new HH books were written.

He wasn't much of a character at all.

Your mistakes show you know less than most.
I'm pretty sure the Emperor was a fedora-tipping atheist for quite some time. At least he was 14 years ago, when I first got into the lore. Was that a new idea then? What I do know is that the original story was a satire of religion, since GW's authors talked about that on length.

As far as I can piece together, the idea of the Emperor being an atheist was already there in 2009 when they wrote "The Last Church". As you'd expect, it's an argument between a childish fedora-tipping atheist and a strawman of a Christian who hasn't been to a single day of Sunday School. Which goes to show how well-educated GW's writers were about such topics. I doubt they could even tell the difference between the Iberian Crusades and the Baltic Crusades. That was at least over half a decade before 8th edition dropped.

So the timeline for religion in 40K is that it was a satire and a sham in editions 1 and 2, the Emperor was an atheist at least from 2009 onwards, which is still 8 years before 8th edition showed up, and from 2017-today, the Imperium is slowly becoming a haven for progressives and trannies. 5 bucks say the Emperor will return as a progressive brown woman who will tear down what's left of the old Imperium's traditions and make it more like what he intended.

Although the Emperor not being a character until HH explains why an atheist Emperor of an atheist Empire has Cathedral-shaped ships. It never made sense to me why people who preach the atheistic Imperial Truth designed their ships after Medieval Cathedrals or had chaplains. My guess is that their original religion was some sham version of Catholicism before they decided to make the Emperor an atheist to "own" the religious crowd.
 
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The Imperial warships of the Crusade and Heresy 30k era are depicted as having a more conventional exterior appearance, basically like the 40k era Chaos fleets, where the superstructure looks like a 20th century battleship's and is not completely encrusted with statuary and Gothic cathedral elements, and the prow is not so elaborately decorated either.
 
Mmm, is it just lasguns? Best I can think is kitbash some Mek Gunz/Artillery pieces by making a giant ball of gun bits.

Or use it as a way to mark some more elite boyz since their gunz haz gunz.
Lasguns, heavy cannons, machinegun and I think like an anti-tank gun. Also, have parts left from the Imperial walker, like plasma cannon, flamer an etc.
 
The Imperial warships of the Crusade and Heresy 30k era are depicted as having a more conventional exterior appearance, basically like the 40k era Chaos fleets, where the superstructure looks like a 20th century battleship's and is not completely encrusted with statuary and Gothic cathedral elements, and the prow is not so elaborately decorated either.
Interesting. Were they as elaborately designed as this?

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I suppose some of the more elaborate parts of design were added post-HH, in-universe.
 
I'm pretty sure the Emperor was a fedora-tipping atheist for quite some time. At least he was 14 years ago, when I first got into the lore. Was that a new idea then? What I do know is that the original story was a satire of religion, since GW's authors talked about that on length.

As far as I can piece together, the idea of the Emperor being an atheist was already there in 2009 when they wrote "The Last Church".
The Last Church is exactly the new-HH work that made the Emperor a fedora-tipper (and McNeill giving a copy to Richard Dawkins was the 40k equivalent to MatPat and the Pope). Just because it's been 15 years doesn't mean that it's not new fluff.

Interesting. Were they as elaborately designed as this?

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I suppose some of the more elaborate parts of design were added post-HH, in-universe.
The writers and artists are very bad at keeping this consistent. With the typical HH quality control, many ships designed millennia later have appeared in the Heresy and, of course, everything has to be focused around the ultra-large, ultra-ornate Glorianas, more elaborate than what's generally appeared in 40k: what you've posted is one of them, Macragge's Honour. That said, you did have some plainer designs - the Vengeful Spirit (below) is probably the most wanked HH-era vessel and it's fairly utilitarian although still clearly in the style of later Imperial vessels.

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That said, a number of Imperial designs are from or predate the Heresy - most of the battleships, inter alia. They presumably grew more Gothic in their ornamentation over time - the Sword supposedly dates back to M25 and it's hard to fit its contemporary design with its Age of Strife origins. This (unfortunately, spreadsheets archive poorly) is a fairly thorough representation of the timeline of Imperial and Chaos ship designs. BFG was always unusual in 40k for embracing its historical-like nature and having a decent number of tactical shifts, technological innovations and other changes over the millennia, despite the core holding firm. That said, for a selection of genuine Heresy-era vessels, the Grand Cruisers are probably a good representation of the designs of the era - a middle-ground between what later solidified as Imperial and Chaos designs and relatively plain but still ornamented. See below the more-Imperial Vengeance and the more-Chaos-y Repulsive, both of which got absolutely gorgeous Forge World models.
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I could go into it further, but that's enough BFG sperging for this moment.
 
“The Last Church” is so unintentionally funny because the priest bodies the Emperor (and fedora-tippers everywhere) by countering his gay “muh illogical nonsense” with “I have faith” and spelling out why the Emperor was always doomed to fail.

The Emperor (and the cringe author who thought he was a big-brain) don’t get that humans need to believe in something, anything or we fall apart.

Whether it’s religion, political rhetoric, our
personal ideals and values, the human mind needs belief or we stall and implode (look at our society and the after-effects of disproving faith), we’re post-fall Eldar practically.

Belief is a core part of being human, that’s why Lorgar was right.

That’s why I believe the scales will tip and this gay shit will even out.
 
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So, while you guys pontificate about "Ze goom is comin guyz" moments, anyone got any suggestions what I can do with some remaining Imperial Guard weapons, specially since I also have lots of Ork stuff on me.
I second the call for terrain. Personally I say if you got spare transports you add the rifles and make it look like it got knocked out for flavor
 
So, while you guys pontificate about "Ze goom is comin guyz" moments, anyone got any suggestions what I can do with some remaining Imperial Guard weapons, specially since I also have lots of Ork stuff on me.
I have a solution to spare guns, you only have to embrace some truths.
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I love these guys, shame the fun legions can’t use them or the rest of the CSM arsenal. Oblits are fun.

Greenstuff+guns+a Terminator (or nu-possessed)= a fun evening.
 
books read more like corny B-movies
The books heavily rely on B-Movie templates but I"m of the opinion that anything enduring in 40k has to have a base that is probably lost on anyone born after 2000. It has to be a concept a guy with greasy hair, who after a night of Doom II death match, listening to Iron Maiden, and smoking ditch weed out of a bong, would describe as Rad. What if the Mongols had sick crotch rockets instead of horses? Fuckin' rad. What if you opened an Egyptian tomb and mummies attack but the mummies were also Terminators? Fuckin' rad. Werewolves are made stronger by the moon but what if werewolves lived on the moon? Holy fuckin' shit. The Dark Angels were the contribution of the lone English major at LAN party and when he passed out early someone added a bunch of King Arthur shit I guess.
 
The Last Church is exactly the new-HH work that made the Emperor a fedora-tipper (and McNeill giving a copy to Richard Dawkins was the 40k equivalent to MatPat and the Pope). Just because it's been 15 years doesn't mean that it's not new fluff.
Like I said, I began studying 40K lore 14 years ago. The Emperor, as you say, had been an atheist in real-world terms for at least a year by then. So I suppose there was a honeymoon period from October 1998 to April 2009 when the Emperor was NOT a fedora-tipping idiot, but the legit god of a dark fantasy Imperium. But that period, it seems, lasted only a little over a decade. Around 10.5 years, if we're being accurate.

If they can change him from an unknowable person into a fedora-tipping buffoon, then yes, they can change him again and say he got reincarnated as a woman or something.

I could go into it further, but that's enough BFG sperging for this moment.
PM me so we can talk about it some more.

“The Last Church” is so unintentionally funny because the priest bodies the Emperor (and fedora-tippers everywhere) by countering his gay “muh illogical nonsense” with “I have faith” and spelling out why the Emperor was always doomed to fail.

The Emperor (and the cringe author who thought he was a big-brain) don’t get that humans need to believe in something, anything or we fall apart.
Again, it's the same way they made Space Marines to be evil, but people thought they were badass. In the same vein, religion in 40K has always been portrayed as babbling lunacy backed up by pragmatic control and utilitarianism, but from the outside, without the context, fans see men who will die for their faith and be proud of it. Hence why the Emperor comes off as a buffoon in the Last Church; especially since later, people's faith keeps him going, along with a steady diet of human sacrifices.

Whether it’s religion, political rhetoric, our
personal ideals and values, the human mind needs belief or we stall and implode (look at our society and the after-effects of disproving faith), we’re post-fall Eldar practically.

Belief is a core part of being human, that’s why Lorgar was right.

That’s why I believe the scales will tip and this gay shit will even out.
I dunno, the lefties seem to have embraced SJW ideology as their new religion. They have their orthodoxy, their creed, their beliefs, even their own inquisitions. It won't balance out anytime soon, especially since the Left has a longer history of solidarity than the Right.

The books heavily rely on B-Movie templates but I"m of the opinion that anything enduring in 40k has to have a base that is probably lost on anyone born after 2000. It has to be a concept a guy with greasy hair, who after a night of Doom II death match, listening to Iron Maiden, and smoking ditch weed out of a bong, would describe as Rad. What if the Mongols had sick crotch rockets instead of horses? Fuckin' rad. What if you opened an Egyptian tomb and mummies attack but the mummies were also Terminators? Fuckin' rad. Werewolves are made stronger by the moon but what if werewolves lived on the moon? Holy fuckin' shit. The Dark Angels were the contribution of the lone English major at LAN party and when he passed out early someone added a bunch of King Arthur shit I guess.
Something like that. It feels like 40K would be at home with 80s and 90s action movies. Terminator crossed with the Mummy. Roided-out muscle-men firing heavy-caliber machine guns. Such aesthetics fit well with the kids of the 80s and 90s, but the direction 40K goes through today isn't really that appealing to the kids of today.

Which is why I think, they should adapt to the times and add anime aesthetics, since anime is popular with kids today as it was with Millennials and Gen Z. Gen Alpha is growing, and they too have a sweet tooth for anime as Gen Z grows into adulthood. Maybe some shonen aesthetics added with religious lingo as a Black Templar remembers his faith in the Emperor as he banzai-charges into an army of Tyranids. Or a Salamander remembering all the civilians he's protecting as he finds the strength to hold off a horde of Orks. Add in mecha stuff with the Titans and the Tau Warmechs fighting in a sort of Big O style of combat, and you're good to go.

Instead of adapting to some mythical left-leaning demographic, go and adapt 40K to something that is already proven to give returns to the investment, like anime fans. Go do what Star Wars and Halo did and commission some anime studios to make some anime shorts. Hell, if it were me, I'd adapt the final battle between Horus and the Emperor, and then have flashbacks to their fun times together as a father-son duo as the two go all-out with everything they have; the Emperor unleashing his full power, while Horus unleashes the full power of all four Chaos Gods acting through his person. The drama comes to a high as the Emperor strikes down his son, after Horus had dealt a mortal wound to him. The two of them collapse onto the floor, and the Emperor gives one last tearful speech to the Loyalists as he's mounted onto the Golden Throne.
 
Which is why I think, they should adapt to the times and add anime aesthetics,
Nah, that's too wild, at least how you describe it. Just do what 40k does best and steal ideas with a fresh coat of paint. Maybe if they watch enough space opera anime they may learn what a ship is or how a navy functions. But things come in cycles. What is old will become new. The children will discover hair metal and headbanging, and only then can The Emperor return.
 
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I’m gonna go full Aurelian here then I’m gonna go back to hobbyposting
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The SJW stuff is faith and that’s why they’re winning, dogma is one of the finest weapons in history.

But you gotta have hope, blind, vain, borderline delusional hope. The moment I stopped resigning myself to “It’s unfixable, it’s ruined forever, the beast is bleeding to death” I started sleeping just fine, moved with purpose and pulled myself outta the funk I’d been in. That’s what keeps me from spazzing about the corruption of 40k, because it’ll even out.
 
Nah, that's too wild, at least how you describe it. Just do what 40k does best and steal ideas with a fresh coat of paint. Maybe if they watch enough space opera anime they may learn what a ship is or how a navy functions. But things come in cycles. What is old will become new. The children will discover hair metal and headbanging, and only then can The Emperor return.
I'm not so sure. Kids today see things like hair metal and other 80s and 90s things as old fart BS. They're too much into anime and Youtube memes to even care about such things. Although, maybe if you showed them the Terminator and Mummy movies back-to-back, then showed them Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando and Sylvester Stallone's Rambo movies, they might get a hankering for old-school 40K.

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I’m gonna go full Aurelian here then I’m gonna go back to hobbyposting
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The SJW stuff is faith and that’s why they’re winning, dogma is one of the finest weapons in history.
My point exactly. At least the SJWs, along with major religions that have orthodoxy, will survive, because they actually have a core belief to begin with.

Right-wingers switch from traditional gender roles, to small government, to anti-censorship, then suddenly go for pro-censorship when they hear ideas that they don't agree with, it's a mess, and it just causes people to burn out and walk away.

But you gotta have hope, blind, vain, borderline delusional hope. The moment I stopped resigning myself to “It’s unfixable, it’s ruined forever, the beast is bleeding to death” I started sleeping just fine, moved with purpose and pulled myself outta the funk I’d been in. That’s what keeps me from spazzing about the corruption of 40k, because it’ll even out.
40K was corrupted to begin with; its original authors were leftists with hate-boners against Thatcher and Reagan. But that doesn't mean you can't take pieces of it and give it their own meaning; if you voicing your unironic love for Space Marines makes them wet their panties, then more power to you. It's like how loving Rorschach makes Alan Moore go mental, or going up to Dave Filoni and yelling ''LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!'' after he made his umpteenth show about how evil the Galactic Empire is.

You can watch them twist their panties when they yell ''SPACE MARINES ARE FASCIST!'' but then you see them trying to add women and trannies into those ranks. What does that make them, I wonder..........if they wish to add trannies and women into the ranks of the people they say are ''self-deceiving'' fascist lunatics.........
 
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Everything you said is why I picked these guys after I sold my old army, they are so vile and GW hates them so throughly that my faction is gonna be left alone.

“Their army is on the horizon” it’ll be a paltry, token offering then like the WE/TS it’ll calm down because the trim and detail will scare off newfags. DG are easy to paint so they remain the most popular Chaos faction

Also I like their style and I wanted to use the helms from the Ultramarine Victrix guards.
 
DG are easy to paint so they remain the most popular Chaos faction
DG isn't easy to paint. They have so much on them and little details that make them a pain in the ass. You can get a boring tabletop ready model done easy but you gotta focus and double check to make sure you dont miss a random bone or tenactle or fly or pus
 
DG isn't easy to paint. They have so much on them and little details that make them a pain in the ass. You can get a boring tabletop ready model done easy but you gotta focus and double check to make sure you dont miss a random bone or tenactle or fly or pus
TRUE!

But there’s cope thst “they’re messy in-lore” to justify poor painting and they don’t have nearly as much trim (a sign of low class) as the other CSM. Plus Dark Imperium was a lot of people’s intro.
 
I'm not so sure. Kids today see things like hair metal and other 80s and 90s things as old fart BS. They're too much into anime and Youtube memes to even care about such things. Although, maybe if you showed them the Terminator and Mummy movies back-to-back, then showed them Arnold Schwarzenegger's Commando and Sylvester Stallone's Rambo movies, they might get a hankering for old-school 40K.
Catachan is right there for that. But I think some generation sooner than we think will go back to hangbanging and power ballads. Music has been prozic, audio ambian. They'll find the concept of solos as seductive as Slannesh's song. And we'll get the fun noise marines again. Have faith, brother. The Zoomer mind might not comprehend a Meatloaf song at first, but they will.
 
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