Warhammer 40k

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I just find it impressive how quickly the Trench Crusade guys nuked any interest or good will they had, its kinda impressive. Cause I doubt normies or casual Wargaming fans will even hear of that game in passing, an for all the taunting the turbo spergy lefty types wont even throw a glance at thid game.

Thing is, at least Warhammer strung on the right-wing dudes for a while before realizing the paypigs aren't right-wing so they divorced 'em and went with the paypigs. The Trench Crusade guys came out openly, even identifying the tradcaths as their enemy. At least GW just made some bland statement about how they're all for tolerance and they reject people who reject tolerance. Making an enemy of the tradcaths is a bad thing, I can tell from personal experience. There's a lot more of them than one might think; it's an attractive way of life for many disgruntled men, and even some married men who have families go for it, since it's a simple formula to follow and it's got lots of advice for rearing kids and raising a family.

You can't recover something that started out dead. That the mere fact that evil chuds showed interest in their game means that they need to "queer code it" to kingdom come and they very much will. Also, fuck supporting any company that shows such immediate contempt to it's potential player base.

If you want a "right wing game", it has to be made that way from the ground up and be unapologetic about it. The whole "any politically neutral thing will become left wing" rings true very much. Though then you have the problem of the game feeling like propaganda 24/7 to keep it's political focus since I doubt most people would be able to keep the slant without politisperging all the time.

I can work with "game without outer contempt towards me". Mantic I assume has the same standard game plan as every other company, but they don't call me out as scum at least. They just make games and models and stick to that.

Problem is, a lot of old DnD and tabletop wargaming folks are coded leftist, and some of these guys have been in the hobby for decades. Not months, not years, decades. Especially since they remember the days when the religious right demonized them, so they never forgave that outrage. They vote left all the way through, from LGBT, to social justice, to feminism and socialism, because they hate the right that much because of what happened to them decades ago, and they never let it go.

 

[The tired cat]

Problem is, a lot of old DnD and tabletop wargaming folks are coded leftist, and some of these guys have been in the hobby for decades. Not months, not years, decades. Especially since they remember the days when the religious right demonized them, so they never forgave that outrage. They vote left all the way through, from LGBT, to social justice, to feminism and socialism, because they hate the right that much because of what happened to them decades ago, and they never let it go

Well, not like the right wingers dont let go of shit. They hold as much grudge on the left as they left holds on em, an these two groups will never stop butting heads over old crap.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well, not like the right wingers dont let go of shit. They hold as much grudge on the left as they left holds on em, an these two groups will never stop butting heads over old crap.

Depends on the right-wingers. Modern right-wingers don't hate fantasy, tabletop and DnD as much as the old Right does, hence why you now find right-leaning people trying to enter spaces that their political forebears once demonized as evil.

 

[The tired cat]

Depends on the right-wingers. Modern right-wingers don't hate fantasy, tabletop and DnD as much as the old Right does, hence why you now find right-leaning people trying to enter spaces that their political forebears once demonized as evil.

I mean, those are right wingers that arent basing their whole life on a political party, but then you have the right wingers who are just politically motivtated and try to get into nerd hobby.

 

[ShitLurker]

I mean, those are right wingers that arent basing their whole life on a political party, but then you have the right wingers who are just politically motivtated and try to get into nerd hobby.

It's a lot less then lefties though.

When a lefty wants to get into something that doesn't cater to them, for the most part they will start bitching like mad till it caters to them. When a righty wants to get into something that doesn't cater to them, they either accept that the stuff they dislike is a part of it or go somewhere else (and before you go "THE CHRISTIANS HUNTING D&D!" that was a bipartisan thing pushed by both sides, it just so happens that one is incredibly competent at erasing those details though their strangle of the media). It's not a coincidence that the culture war is absolutely dominated by the left. The right barely ever takes a stand. Also, righties are easier to get inches from "well, x shouldn't do any harm in moderation". Goes back to the old "left wingers think the right are evil while right think left are misguided".

This is coming from someone that was a gigantic left wing faggot in his youth and went to the complete opposite of the spectrum. It's very sobering to notice how NOTHING caters to you outside of the most politically charged shit possible (which makes it cringy). It's why I focus on Japanese media, it doesn't cater to me that much, but it doesn't antagonize me either. Recent western stuff that I can enjoy I can count with 1 hand and it tends to be small projects that can just do their own thing and go all in.

 

[Abella]

I just find it impressive how quickly the Trench Crusade guys nuked any interest or good will they had, its kinda impressive. Cause I doubt normies or casual Wargaming fans will even hear of that game in passing, a for all the taunting the turbo spergy lefty types wont even throw a glance at thid game.

The most this game will get is a thread on dakkadakka that’s probably 3 pages at most before being pushed back by new threads and bumped threads. The discord server was a shitty hugbox and they were giving out bans over dumb stuff like misgendering troons. The leftoid politispergs don’t actually care about the game, they just like the idea of using it as a cudgel to own le hecking chuds. None of the culture warriors on either side really care anyway.

 

[IKOL]

So Trench Crusade's discord is actually the discord for 28 Magazine, a little indy zine covering Tabletop stuff. And they're woke as fuck. So to quote someone on twitter, "the wokies took control of the community and didn't have to move a finger."

28 Mag is... well, your bog standard leftycuck shit. The latest issue contains an essay on the importance of Female Space Marines for diversity equity inclusion and representation, as well as the results of a kitbash and art contest. As far as anyone can tell (they're obviously not talking to anyone) the 28Mag admins are mass banning anyone they can tell came from "Chudhammer" or even mentioned disagreements or opposition to shit like this:



Anyway, long story short, several people in the community found they were banned out of the blue, some even AFK at the time, and when people asked why people were being banned, they were banned or told the users were insulting other users. At the end they posted a literal "ya'll can't behave" and locked the server and started mass banning people about an hour ago.

Hopefully Trench Crusade can recover from this, but as of right now the community came pre-infested. We'll have to see how things go.

You meant to say it was a fag haven from the get-go, not pre-infested.
Welp, haven't it to be xitter I wouldn't even knew of this thing. I mean I saw some arts on ArtStation but I thought that's for some kind of book\novel or something, not an actual game. Oh well.

 

[ShitLurker]

You meant to say it was a fag haven from the get-go, not pre-infested.
Welp, haven't it to be xitter I wouldn't even knew of this thing. I mean I saw some arts on ArtStation but I thought that's for some kind of book\novel or something, not an actual game. Oh well.

Well, it's better this way, I didn't even know this existed so never got into the "wow, looks cool, might get some stuff" part of the cycle. God knows I still have way too many projects in my backpocket anyway.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

I just want a game where I can turn my brain off and enjoy the grimdark setting and aesthetics built off a variety of factors and mythos as I also enjoy and paint minis from the setting. I hate that I’m constantly pushed into the culture war by either side. Trench Crusade on a whole was woke lefties saying “Actually this game isn’t your anti woke refugee spot” while right retards kept doubling down and complaining there’s women in the art that lewdly drawn and it’s basis is blasphemous. Both sides of the culture war are just fucking insufferable.

And I will strangle anyone to death who says “horse shoe theory”

 

[IKOL]

I just want a game where I can turn my brain off and enjoy the grimdark setting and aesthetics built off a variety of factors and mythos as I also enjoy and paint minis from the setting. I hate that I’m constantly pushed into the culture war by either side. Trench Crusade on a whole was woke lefties saying “Actually this game isn’t your anti woke refugee spot” while right retards kept doubling down and complaining there’s women in the art that lewdly drawn and it’s basis is blasphemous. Both sides of the culture war are just fucking insufferable.

And I will strangle anyone to death who says “horse shoe theory”

I'll deliver one day if will realize how to Godot, human anatomy and into Russia ban bypass. Though at best, it'll happen in next decade. If ever...

 

[ZMOT]

I feel like stls fall into "too busy" because if they don't copy the GW idea of "detailed", people will cry they're not detailed enough.

because then they'd need to do more than just slap contrast paint on it. "less is more" is a concept often lost on people.

Warhammer has always been political. It was basically made during a previous culture war between the Reagan/Thatcher right and the leftoids who hated them. It was the product of a culture war; it just wound up being loved by the very same people it was meant to lampoon.

a bunch of britbong nerds being salty about the politics of their literal boomer parents isn't a fucking "culture war". stop trying to recontextualize shit from literally 40 years ago with current year retardation. you probably don't even know who and why people had a beef with thatcher back then.

as for warhammer being political, what's the message of tiny metal scifi knights shooting tiny metal green hooligans? do you really want to be this dude?

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Listened to Poorhammer 100K special. I know they joked about bad takes, but saying Tolkien was a bad writer is unsub worthy bad take.

I unsubbed from Poorhammer once they got bought out by that faggot Bricky. I don't know what kind of business deal went on behind the scenes but it seems overnight that they can't stop bringing him up and sucking his dick.

 

[The tired cat]

I unsubbed from Poorhammer once they got bought out by that faggot Bricky. I don't know what kind of business deal went on behind the scenes but it seems overnight that they can't stop bringing him up and sucking his dick.

Man, how much did he pay em? I doubt the guy makes millions of dollars, specially since had to close down a battle report chanell he had.

 

[The tired cat]

Also, sorry the double post. So, I got a sister of battle medic and some Felinid made Imperial guardsmen. Anyone got any pointers how to make em look grimdark style?

 

[FedPostalService]

a bunch of britbong nerds being salty about the politics of their literal boomer parents isn't a fucking "culture war". stop trying to recontextualize shit from literally 40 years ago with current year retardation. you probably don't even know who and why people had a beef with thatcher back then.

as for warhammer being political, what's the message of tiny metal scifi knights shooting tiny metal green hooligans? do you really want to be this dude?

He’s a retard he just keeps repeating himself. I just skip his posts now.

Im guessing he wasn’t around in the 80s when saying you didn’t like Thatcher was trendy but people secretly voted for her anyway.

It’s never been fashionable to be conservative and these zoomers don’t know the Trad Cath Incel MAGA LARP they do is a new thing, it’s fucking tedious, and if the logged off the Internet and went outside everyone, including conservatives, would laugh at their sperging.

 

[Humble Architect]

Warhammer has always been political. It was basically made during a previous culture war between the Reagan/Thatcher right and the leftoids who hated them. It was the product of a culture war; it just wound up being loved by the very same people it was meant to lampoon.

Also, unlike Sargon, I've got no illusions about Warhammer. It has always been owned by the Left, and will continue to do so unless some right-winger buys out GW and moves them to Texas or Florida. Sargon's dumb enough to think it was a safe space for edgy right-wingers, when it never was.

Oh fuck off, that’s the “comics have always been political” rhetoric that gay retards parrot.

Nigga, you post the same walls of text every day. We get it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Im guessing he wasn’t around in the 80s when saying you didn’t like Thatcher was trendy but people secretly voted for her anyway.

There's a difference between that, and Gen X tabletop gamers freaking out and screaming like banshees whenever right-wing gamers try to enter their spaces, which leads to these old dogs censuring and harassing the right-wingers. This battle between the Left and the Right is far older than one might think, and the battle lines for the current culture war were drawn during the 20th Century.

Spoiler: IT'S A LOT OLDER THAN YOU THINK

Oh fuck off, that’s the “comics have always been political” rhetoric that gay retards parrot.

Depends. Some comics were just for fun, others became political even before we were born.

Like say, X-Men. They continue to trod along that bullshit of the mutants being hated by humans because they have super-powers.........in a world where people have fucking super-powers and super-heroes are worshiped like gods. All to push a narrow political message about discrimination. It doesn't make a lick of fucking sense, but it's the politics of the work, and they will push it in as much as they can. I remember getting tired of that plotline whenever I read X-Men comics or watch the cartoon.

as for warhammer being political, what's the message of tiny metal scifi knights shooting tiny metal green hooligans? do you really want to be this dude?

Those green hooligans were made because someone was salty that Britbong sports fans go nuts when the wrong soccer team loses. It's basically social commentary.

a bunch of britbong nerds being salty about the politics of their literal boomer parents isn't a fucking "culture war". stop trying to recontextualize shit from literally 40 years ago with current year retardation. you probably don't even know who and why people had a beef with thatcher back then.

Culture wars are a lot older than you think. The ''current retardation'' had its roots in things that were already stirring long before you and I were born. Acting like today's retarded SJWs just came out of nowhere is historically ignorant. They were taught to be SJWs by boomers and Gen X leftists, they didn't just wake up one day and decide to be eternally miserable cunts. They were taught to be that way-by the leftists of the previous generation. And yes, that includes the Gen X leftists, many of whom were tabletop gamers.

Today's culture warriors have nothing on the culture warriors of the past. I mean, bomb-throwing anarchists from the last century make today's SJWs look like limp-wristed idiots. At least today's leftist goons are actually afraid of getting killed. Last century's leftist goons were more than happy to die fighting, and they even overthrew governments in Russia, China, Cuba, and many other places. At least today, the worst we have to deal with are corporations censoring works of fiction; we don't have to deal with Communist guerillas or bomb-throwing anarchist thugs.

I just want a game where I can turn my brain off and enjoy the grimdark setting and aesthetics built off a variety of factors and mythos as I also enjoy and paint minis from the setting. I hate that I’m constantly pushed into the culture war by either side. Trench Crusade on a whole was woke lefties saying “Actually this game isn’t your anti woke refugee spot” while right retards kept doubling down and complaining there’s women in the art that lewdly drawn and it’s basis is blasphemous. Both sides of the culture war are just fucking insufferable.

And I will strangle anyone to death who says “horse shoe theory”

That's because the modern culture war is pumped by grifters on both sides who want it to support their politics; they don't like people sitting in the sidelines.

That, and as I've said in other threads, these right-wing grifters and SJWs profit from fanning the flames of the culture war. If it dies down, well, they'll lose their purpose, and that means losing their clout.

The best thing to do is to ignore both sides and act like they both died years ago. Just enjoy your game, enjoy your grimdark setting, have fun with your friends, but tell them that the rule for playing is to leave your politics out the front door.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I unsubbed from Poorhammer once they got bought out by that faggot Bricky. I don't know what kind of business deal went on behind the scenes but it seems overnight that they can't stop bringing him up and sucking his dick.

I like that they have good energy, makes it fun to listen to them, plus fun topics, actual editing and not shilling too hard.

The last podcast I was subbed to was Adeptus Podcastus which I stuck around until they finish covering HH, but it got really fucking bad the last years. No editing despite being in it for nearly a decade, one guy is a British tranny that will almost certainely be arrested for grooming a kid in the WH club, the other guy is a hobby boomer that skips half the episodes, the guests were the same boring people and the occasional Text to Speech guys that remind people how much faggots they are now.

 

[p1138]

I like that they have good energy, makes it fun to listen to them, plus fun topics, actual editing and not shilling too hard.

The last podcast I was subbed to was Adeptus Podcastus which I stuck around until they finish covering HH, but it got really fucking bad the last years. No editing despite being in it for nearly a decade, one guy is a British tranny that will almost certainely be arrested for grooming a kid in the WH club, the other guy is a hobby boomer that skips half the episodes, the guests were the same boring people and the occasional Text to Speech guys that remind people how much faggots they are now.

Yeah, I don't get the hate for poorhammer just because they're having Bricky's stupid orchidwhatever doing their merch. It's definitely a lot better than bricky's adeptus ridiculous shit that is literally just DK asking the same 5 questions over and over because for whatever insane reason even though Bricky worked with a damn batrep channel... twice, never managed to get the idiot in for even just an intro game. All the while Shy types something that doesn't have anything to do with anything just acting as a distraction, or they keep making goofy references to other random shit, or their crappy fanart that's usually just coomer-bait.

That adeptus podcastus thing you mentioned sounds infuriatingly boring, and weirdly similar to the "tale of 4 gamers" shit on Arbitor Ian's channel. Including having a hobby boomer and a tranny.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Depends on the right-wingers. Modern right-wingers don't hate fantasy, tabletop and DnD as much as the old Right does, hence why you now find right-leaning people trying to enter spaces that their political forebears once demonized as evil.

The creator of D&D thought women had weird shaped skulls and that's why they didn't like dungeons and Dragons and homosexuals are not normal this entire genre was created by a conservative Christian by the name of Gary gygax.
By any standards of today Gary gygax'
the creators of modern fantasy novels CS Lewis and James RR token
both right wing

HP lovecraft probably one of the most right wing authors who ever lived hated Jews while being married to Jew
the creator of Cooney and the barbarian conservative man from Texas shot himself before he got really famous
Robert heinlein father of all space marine related sci-fi and science fiction a bit of a degenerate in his private life but overall a right wing figure
the only people the leftist could actually claim would be HG wells
member of the Fabian society founded the labor Party and a lot of the UN

the left cannot create anything they can just imitate or subvert genres created by right wingers the right is responsible for all cultural output throughout all of human history

The only exception being tankies they create a bit of good science fiction from time to time
but pretty much none of it is in English it's primarily in Russian

It's been so quickly proven that people on the right understand people on the left that's why the satire of the left from people on the right is actually accurate people on the left don't understand people on the right that's why they're satire it's more like right wing propaganda than anything else

that's why 40K completely fails spectacularly it's job of making fun of Margaret Thatcher also conservatives actually hate Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan for not being right wing enough and being essentially liberals