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I’m disappointed in the new combat patrol box for sororitas. I’m looking forward to playing with the holy trinity detachment rules because it reminds me of the old witch hunters I started with as a kid. GSC got a cool thing as well, but their models are still ugly.
 
Lets face it, these new announcements are pretty lame even the whole Skeventide announcement feels really flat. They were boomers about it and drew it out too long plus it got leaked ages ago before the femstodes. The Skaventide announcement feels like a really shit attempt of damage recovery but was nearly 2 months late. Come on GW you are a multi-billion pound company, you need to respond quicker.

Honestly the whole Skaven stuff just feels mid and with the fact its a memberberry attempt makes it just cringe.
They haven't needed to respond to anything. An official announement in May with some additional updates over the next few weeks coincides with a June/July release of AoS 4.0 The release timing was likely setup ages ago considering the need to create the new molds, get the packing and books shipped from china, get things boxed up and then on boats from the UK to their various distribution centers, and so on.

Yes, it's very memberberries considering they basically ignored the faction for a decade, but they have no reason to adjust anything at this point over the femstodes shit. Even the stormcast purge is practically irrelevant since they know people will proxy shit anyway. At this point they're likely working on post launch product release marketing for addition stormcast and skaven minis plus whatever they plan on doing for the 2nd half of 2024 with their spearhead boxes or whatever they're calling them. The hype alone that this has generated is far more than the aos 3rd edition launch with the stupid swamp ork kruelboyz or whatever they were called that no one gave a shit about and still has Dominion launch boxes sitting around collecting dust in stores.

Additionally, the femstodes shit has had basically no impact on their stock value and will likely be offset by AoS when it comes to their next yearly financial report due in July. There has been a drop in custodes players in tournaments for the past couple of weeks, pretty significant actually(from 7% of the tournament population down to 3%) but that's got nothing to do with femstodes, that's entirely because their codex is shit since they only got 4 detachments and 1 of those focuses entirely on sisters of silence which for troops only has 1 fucking kit at 5 minis for $60 at 10-12 points per model depending on how they're built(they have 3 kits if you count having a rhino, and that character from the novels in that 2 pack) while the other 3 detachments range from mediocre to shit(and 1 of those still relies heavily on having a bunch of SoS).
 
Additionally, the femstodes shit has had basically no impact on their stock value and will likely be offset by AoS when it comes to their next yearly financial report due in July. There has been a drop in custodes players in tournaments for the past couple of weeks, pretty significant actually(from 7% of the tournament population down to 3%) but that's got nothing to do with femstodes, that's entirely because their codex is shit since they only got 4 detachments and 1 of those focuses entirely on sisters of silence which for troops only has 1 fucking kit at 5 minis for $60 at 10-12 points per model depending on how they're built(they have 3 kits if you count having a rhino, and that character from the novels in that 2 pack) while the other 3 detachments range from mediocre to shit(and 1 of those still relies heavily on having a bunch of SoS).
The backlash against the Femstodes is largely restricted to some online grifters and their fans, most of whom don't even buy the product anyways. It gets the blood boiling, it gets clicks for these grifters, but at the end of the day, that shit you took yesterday had more impact.

As for the Custodes, no shit people would stop playing them after they got nerfed. I mean, half the morons who play the game chase the meta, and the only reason they rolled with Custodes in the past was due to point value, and now that just got nerfed. Nobody who treats this hobby with any serious thought gives a flying shit if the marines and custodes are men, women, trannies, or whatever. They could be eunuchs or hermaphrodites for all you know under there. So long as they look cool and can be played well, people will buy.
 
As for the Custodes, no shit people would stop playing them after they got nerfed. I mean, half the morons who play the game chase the meta, and the only reason they rolled with Custodes in the past was due to point value, and now that just got nerfed. Nobody who treats this hobby with any serious thought gives a flying shit if the marines and custodes are men, women, trannies, or whatever. They could be eunuchs or hermaphrodites for all you know under there. So long as they look cool and can be played well, people will buy.
An this is why I always roll orks, buffed or nerfed, they're just fun to play, kitbash models and do crazy/dumb stuff with.
 
Agreed cost of entry is actually pretty close to $0 especially if you already own a lot of models.
the heat is in the 10 buck patreon tier where you get tons of STL's and all the advanced rulebooks. the lore book recently came out and TBH I don't think it's grimdark enough (for a game called grimdark future) but hey its not like we don't all headcanon 40k shit into it in the first place.
 
I was going to buy a Custodes army before this, but after these rules came out, I decided to cancel all plans of it.
I imagine that between the rules being bad and the autism that the custodes minis themselves might not have had as good of a launch as they would like. The rules being bad probably would’ve hurt it more since if the rules were very good metachasers would buy the minis even if they disliked the lore. And the rules are bad enough it will dissuade some casual gamers as well. But it’s more like a short term thing. And they’ll move on with other launches, especially if AoS sells well.
 
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The TC news has been pretty bad for me personally. I have spent the better part of the last decade doing amateur ttrpg design (for personal use) and in the last year pivoted to the creation of a platoon scale fantasy wargame which I had intended on releasing for playtesting by end of this year. This was meant to be my big attempt at getting into tabletop design as a career, a lifelong dream, and I had set aside a few thousand USD for paying artists for marginalia/art so people might actually consider buying/trying my game.

With the TC news it feels like I missed the boat. I wanted to get an apolitical or right leaning artist for book art and likewise for a sculptor. But I can't advertise that because I will invariably either get brigaded by the terminally online troons for not being a commie, or I will attract right wing grifters looking to just get in and start drama. I want to create something fun and engaging with good rules, but the culture war is now here on the doorstep and I won't be able to run from it. I could learn to do my own art, a mere 5+ year investment, then learn sculpting so I can produce my own miniature line, another 3-4 year investment. Maybe in 11 years when I can write my own rules, do my own art, sculpt my own minis will I be able to take the risk of making my own wargame.

The honest truth is get woke go broke doesn't seem to really be true. If I just gave in I could have sculptors and artists tomorrow, I could open my llc to investment for DEI and ESG money and I would be taking almost no risks myself. Even if I failed my name would be in the community and I could likely get work at another firm riding on blackrock cash. The people saying "I won't give GW money for femstodes!" weren't their paypiggies anyway. I know the IRL whales and they will slurp up this slop just as greedily as the last bit of plastic GW put out.
 
the heat is in the 10 buck patreon tier where you get tons of STL's and all the advanced rulebooks. the lore book recently came out and TBH I don't think it's grimdark enough (for a game called grimdark future) but hey its not like we don't all headcanon 40k shit into it in the first place.
I’ve been a Patreon member since near the beginning and I’ve literally got a dozen fully fleshed out armies that I can print, plus so many other things. Tons of terrain, objective markers, even custom rulers measurement tools. Plus there is a ship based space miniatures game that you get models for, too.

I may steal a lot of STL files but I always pay for my favorite artists.

Their models are way past what GW gives us. Their sisters of battle knight is one of the coolest models.

ETA thread tax. Been playing wirh my CSM army and I love it. I’ve also been playing a lot of 7th edition WHB and have been really enjoying it.

Old editions are fun.
 
The people saying "I won't give GW money for femstodes!" weren't their paypiggies anyway. I know the IRL whales and they will slurp up this slop just as greedily as the last bit of plastic GW put out.
I'm really curious where that argument even comes from, because it reads like utter cope "look their stock didn't change!!!". it reminds me of that AOS circlejerking talking shit about fantasy players and no one cares, it's a good thing and it's gonna be great, where it got to the point people were literally burning their armies - the same people "that don't spend money", to get replaced by literally no one.

as for woke=broke, as I said somewhere else it's not a fucking hollywood movie where you get a happy end after a 3 minute montage, change takes time and is not always obvious. same way people don't happily play warhammer but no, femstodes is suddenly THE reason to sell all your stuff and play something else. that's not how it works, everyone has his own personal straw that breaks the camel's back.
the tech sector is massively contracting, videogames devs have been whining for months now getting laid off due to their shit work, which is all directly or indirectly due to DEI/ESG shit. you already had companies being less eager to go all in with rainbow shit last year, it will most likely be even less next month. the whole globe is suffering economically because of MUH FEELS MUH IDEOLOGY retards in charge everywhere, and the rest are mostly grifters. when shit goes bad, and it most likely will, people are gonna figure out you can't eat warhammer minis - femstodes or not.

I wanted to get an apolitical or right leaning artist for book art and likewise for a sculptor. But I can't advertise that because I will invariably either get brigaded by the terminally online troons for not being a commie, or I will attract right wing grifters looking to just get in and start drama. I want to create something fun and engaging with good rules, but the culture war is now here on the doorstep and I won't be able to run from it. I could learn to do my own art, a mere 5+ year investment, then learn sculpting so I can produce my own miniature line, another 3-4 year investment. Maybe in 11 years when I can write my own rules, do my own art, sculpt my own minis will I be able to take the risk of making my own wargame.
you don't need art if you don't have any lore, and if you have any lore you don't need any sculpts either. unless you want your own mini business and your setting is niche like turnip28 or something there's really no need to bother with that. and even if it's successful there are plenty of sculptors you can work with at that point, or people do their own sculpts to jump on the train. for example modiphius works with titan forge for official five parsec minis. stl miniatures did 2 kickstarters that were all about frostgrave.
besides that the more you push your own minis the more you increase the likelyhood of people not buying in. people having to basically start from scratch to "play another game" is one of the reasons warhammer has such a captured audience due to sunken cost. you really wanna go mini-agnostic, unless you hook up with a big enough company you can sell the rules to.

art is also a secondary concern since I assume you wanna publish digitally first, where all you'd really need is an eye-catching cover. if and when you do a printrun, there's still enough time to look for an artist then, after collecting some kickstarter money for it, and unless you advertise it as NIGGERS GETTING BUCKBROKEN + TITS, no one is gonna care. it's not like they need a reason to cancel you anyway it they want. or just find a publisher who takes are of all that itself.
you're more likely running into shitty unprofessional artists who gonna steal your money or take ages to finish the work. might as well learn how a LLM works to be ready once the OMG AI topic has been phased out of the newscycle.

I may steal a lot of STL files but I always pay for my favorite artists.
to be fair if you just hoard it and don't really print/play with it there's not much difference, at that point it's just a copy of ones and zeros somewhere. I tend to spend money when I actually use someone's stuff.

as for OPR, I can understand when people look for something more meaty (even with the advanced rules), that's usually when I put this on the table:
 
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I wanted to get an apolitical or right leaning artist for book art and likewise for a sculptor. But I can't advertise that because I will invariably either get brigaded by the terminally online troons for not being a commie, or I will attract right wing grifters looking to just get in and start drama.
Attracting culture warriors can't be avoided. There is only one way to make it work: You need to NOT react to screeching from both sides. Don't apologize, don't explain, don't engage. Don't open a Discord. Only focus on your project and shut up about current world politics and the culture war. This also means keeping your ego in check. You might feel the need to say something - DON'T!
 
The TC news has been pretty bad for me personally. I have spent the better part of the last decade doing amateur ttrpg design (for personal use) and in the last year pivoted to the creation of a platoon scale fantasy wargame which I had intended on releasing for playtesting by end of this year. This was meant to be my big attempt at getting into tabletop design as a career, a lifelong dream, and I had set aside a few thousand USD for paying artists for marginalia/art so people might actually consider buying/trying my game.

With the TC news it feels like I missed the boat. I wanted to get an apolitical or right leaning artist for book art and likewise for a sculptor. But I can't advertise that because I will invariably either get brigaded by the terminally online troons for not being a commie, or I will attract right wing grifters looking to just get in and start drama. I want to create something fun and engaging with good rules, but the culture war is now here on the doorstep and I won't be able to run from it. I could learn to do my own art, a mere 5+ year investment, then learn sculpting so I can produce my own miniature line, another 3-4 year investment. Maybe in 11 years when I can write my own rules, do my own art, sculpt my own minis will I be able to take the risk of making my own wargame.

The honest truth is get woke go broke doesn't seem to really be true. If I just gave in I could have sculptors and artists tomorrow, I could open my llc to investment for DEI and ESG money and I would be taking almost no risks myself. Even if I failed my name would be in the community and I could likely get work at another firm riding on blackrock cash. The people saying "I won't give GW money for femstodes!" weren't their paypiggies anyway. I know the IRL whales and they will slurp up this slop just as greedily as the last bit of plastic GW put out.
Don't let some faggot retards on either side online make you give up on your dream. If anything, most projects I've done are for no ones enjoyment but my own, and I am happy with that. No popularity is better than not trusting your gut and doing what you want to do. Also do what @Sinner's Sandwich said and never EVER do a Discord. Place is a plague upon us all and makes me yearn for the days of Skype, horrifying as that is.
 
You might feel the need to say something - DON'T!
Unfortunately, the left has created a problem with that too.

They insist you have to say something. If you don't, they assume you're some secret right-winger. What's infuriating is the right-wingers have bought into that too, if you say nothing they make assumptions, they are just not loud about it.
 
Unfortunately, the left has created a problem with that too.

They insist you have to say something. If you don't, they assume you're some secret right-winger. What's infuriating is the right-wingers have bought into that too, if you say nothing they make assumptions, they are just not loud about it.
yeah, but at least not saying something doesn't give them the ammunition for them to start rallying against you... usually. The "don't do discord" thing is absolutely 100% correct though. You won't be able to keep them out, and if you are filtering your discord membership in any way, they'll just keep quiet till they have a critical mass to start throwing trans flag react emojis everywhere, and declare you to be the next tyrant out to commit a genocide.
 
They insist you have to say something. If you don't, they assume you're some secret right-winger. What's infuriating is the right-wingers have bought into that too, if you say nothing they make assumptions, they are just not loud about it.
Assumptions can't be avoided either. But the culture war goblins (mainly trannies) will fuck you up if you react in a way they don't like. It's always better to not engange. Everything you say will be used against you. We have seen this time and time again.
 
But I'm sure the "akshually the Christians are just as bad as the demonic forces of hell because daddy made me wake up and go to church before noon on sundays" guys will just dive right in and pay $texas.
People like that have to be the biggest dorks in geekdom. Yes, I can imagine some religious parents can be a hassle to live with, but it's not like they took you to the Spanish Inquisition and had you put in the Judas Chair for reading a book about fictional demons or something. Not to mention their takes on history, science, and religion are about as basic-bitch cucked and it goes to show that they at most, have a basic high school-level education or less.

Assumptions can't be avoided either. But the culture war goblins (mainly trannies) will fuck you up if you react in a way they don't like. It's always better to not engange. Everything you say will be used against you. We have seen this time and time again.
Basically, yes. The best move is not to play at all. Both sides are filled with autistic assholes who can and will use anything you say against you.

yeah, but at least not saying something doesn't give them the ammunition for them to start rallying against you... usually. The "don't do discord" thing is absolutely 100% correct though. You won't be able to keep them out, and if you are filtering your discord membership in any way, they'll just keep quiet till they have a critical mass to start throwing trans flag react emojis everywhere, and declare you to be the next tyrant out to commit a genocide.
My only experience with Discord is having a bunch of idiots toss slurs all over the place, so I clocked out. That was at least two years ago, maybe three. It was worthless.

The honest truth is get woke go broke doesn't seem to really be true. If I just gave in I could have sculptors and artists tomorrow, I could open my llc to investment for DEI and ESG money and I would be taking almost no risks myself. Even if I failed my name would be in the community and I could likely get work at another firm riding on blackrock cash. The people saying "I won't give GW money for femstodes!" weren't their paypiggies anyway. I know the IRL whales and they will slurp up this slop just as greedily as the last bit of plastic GW put out.
It depends on the company. If the fanbase is full of people that the current generation of alphabet people hate, then yes, going woke will make you go broke, just look at Star Wars. But that isn't the same for every fanbase or franchise; if you have a fanbase of progressives who are already leftist, going woke will retain their loyalty. And in the case of Warhammer and GW, their fanbase mostly consists of paypigs who will buy up the plastic crack no matter what, so them going woke won't hurt things at all. The lore-fans aren't the big money-makers for GW, the plastic crack addicts are, and those fuckers don't care about lore. Otherwise the Primaris and the Stormcast Eternals wouldn't have sold well like they did.
 
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My only experience with Discord is having a bunch of idiots toss slurs all over the place, so I clocked out. That was at least two years ago, maybe three. It was worthless.
That's not the same as a discord for a business. If you look at a discord for a video game like... I dunno helldivers, every post the devs make gets thousands of tranny flag reactions, and if their flag gets bumped off the list of reactions they'll get their friends to spam more of it so it pops back onto the list as visible. They've also spend the entire time since the launch of helldivers 2 whining about wanting to see tranny flag and rainbow capes added to the game that make no sense in the setting, as the setting doesn't give a fuck so long as you're killing bugs or whatever. It doesn't even have pronouns or gender options, just skinny body and muscled body, and you can pick a male or female sounding voice. And that still isn't enough for them.

The privateer press discord got taken over by trannies(paid employees) who renamed channels to add "pride" into them, and was more focused on making sure everyone in the discord conformed to wanting to date trans people or whatever the fuck, than the actual game itself before the company practically disintegrated. If you jump on the official discords for other tabletop games you'll see similar where the banner has a rainbow or tranny flag, which doesn't actually have anything to do with the game, and the "fans" are basically acting as a gestapo to keep everyone in line with the group think like noting who might have used an "inappropriate" emoji or has been active on a different discord server that doesn't conform to their ideals(this is what seems to have happened with the trench crusade discord).
 
That's not the same as a discord for a business. If you look at a discord for a video game like... I dunno helldivers, every post the devs make gets thousands of tranny flag reactions, and if their flag gets bumped off the list of reactions they'll get their friends to spam more of it so it pops back onto the list as visible. They've also spend the entire time since the launch of helldivers 2 whining about wanting to see tranny flag and rainbow capes added to the game that make no sense in the setting, as the setting doesn't give a fuck so long as you're killing bugs or whatever. It doesn't even have pronouns or gender options, just skinny body and muscled body, and you can pick a male or female sounding voice. And that still isn't enough for them.

The privateer press discord got taken over by trannies(paid employees) who renamed channels to add "pride" into them, and was more focused on making sure everyone in the discord conformed to wanting to date trans people or whatever the fuck, than the actual game itself before the company practically disintegrated. If you jump on the official discords for other tabletop games you'll see similar where the banner has a rainbow or tranny flag, which doesn't actually have anything to do with the game, and the "fans" are basically acting as a gestapo to keep everyone in line with the group think like noting who might have used an "inappropriate" emoji or has been active on a different discord server that doesn't conform to their ideals(this is what seems to have happened with the trench crusade discord).
Every discord opened by companies for the fans ends up like this. I remember a server for a hololive talent being hijacked during June to have “pride” in its name by trannies. They then took to tagging everyone over and over again every day and banning anyone who asked why they felt the need to do this. That’s a common thing as well, they do this in a lot of servers and ban people for disagreeing. It’s part of the narcissism.
The honest truth is get woke go broke doesn't seem to really be true. If I just gave in I could have sculptors and artists tomorrow, I could open my llc to investment for DEI and ESG money and I would be taking almost no risks myself. Even if I failed my name would be in the community and I could likely get work at another firm riding on blackrock cash. The people saying "I won't give GW money for femstodes!" weren't their paypiggies anyway. I know the IRL whales and they will slurp up this slop just as greedily as the last bit of plastic GW put out.
The big problem with TC is that they’re going along with what chronically online people on X and reddit are saying. The thing you have to remember is that the culture warriors on either side are nogames. They don’t actually play anything and won’t actually buy anything, they just want you to change it to appease their sensibilities. They don’t actually enjoy anything. I’ve mentioned it before in the thread regarding battletech. If it took a certain thing happening for you to like something as a whole, you don’t really like it.

Get woke go broke doesn’t happen the way people want to believe it does, it’s a slow turning rot, just look at the art for magic: the gathering. It went from some amazing fantasy art to some cards looking like a photoshop of a kid from Detroit. I doubt they’ll ever go broke with a constant deluge of products, but people have decided they don’t want to keep paying for and playing slop when better games exist. It’s not the DEI or ESG that is going to kill these companies much like how no one dies from AIDS. It’s the terrible quality of products and business practices that will kill them much like how other secondary diseases kill AIDS patients.
Attracting culture warriors can't be avoided. There is only one way to make it work: You need to NOT react to screeching from both sides. Don't apologize, don't explain, don't engage. Don't open a Discord. Only focus on your project and shut up about current world politics and the culture war. This also means keeping your ego in check. You might feel the need to say something - DON'T!
This is the best advice here if we’re being honest here. Don’t open a discord server, don’t follow any accounts on your social media that aren’t companies that also don’t put out statements regarding politics and for the love of god, shut up about current world issues. Ignoring the replies that aren’t about the topic at hand (game discussion) also goes a long way. Ignore the fаggоt asking “how are LGBT people treated in this setting?” but answer the guy who asks about things related to the rules.
 
I’ve been away for a bit but I gotta say, HH range continues to dab on the 40k range. Plastic Mechanicum without gay steampunk shit for the win!

These Necromunda coomer Genestealers are adorable
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Love these things
 
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