They already had them laying around so they tossed them together.
I fucking hate the stupid symmetrical board designs they go with. I hate all the tourney fags that have the same uninspiring terrain because it’s “fair” and “balanced”. At least Into the Dark and boarding action kept it interesting, but from a narrative setting it’s just bland. Like I want a battlefield that tells a story.
Killteam starter kit with both blindbox yapannese teams and MDF terrain, retvrn to the sovl of 2nd edition
While that's kind of a good thing, it's also creating confusion? It's bad enough that I have to research every GW kit to make sure it's not a rip off (most of them are). I thought they were making the right moves with Killteam, but I guess not.
Last Kill Team starter that was just barebones with Kommandos, Krieg, and some terrain was like $120 but knowing GW and how they’ve been lately I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s $180
This is clearly meant to be one of "baby's first" products, as well as a way for people to collect the sculpts without paying out the nose. While you could set up the terrain to be perfectly symmetrical, you dont actually have to. Having any way of meaningfully blocking line of sight is whats relevant, and new players will not be budgeting out actual terrain till they are much more invested in the hobby. The other option for them is the classic soup cans, packing boxes, and text books, which is its own beautiful thing but not quite glamorous
rumors said it will mirror the warcry starter box, so 110ish
They're literally just the space marine heroes series 3 blind box set from Japan from 5 or 6 years ago. The ultramarines are another blind box set that's had KT rules for a few months now. "strike force justian" or some shit.
I never get why people pay all this money for terrain I literally make all of mine out of recycled construction material people always impress on how nice it looks I tell them it's just some spray paint and construction lumber
This really summarizes why competitive gaming is what people gravitate towards. Building a narrative is fun in DnD when you are basically along for the ride, and no one is trying to win. Once your game has a winner and a loser you immediately cause conflict between who is allowed to have fun. Sure your story about a stranded unit of Space Marines fighting a hopeless battle against the Tyranids might be dramatic and flavorful, but who has to be the sucker who spends the whole game taking models off the board and seeing every action get negated? A competitive game means that any two players can meet and pick up a game because they are already working under the same agreed rules. I could make a board that looks pretty in pictures, or I could fill it with only ruins and actually enjoy the game. I don't know anyone who wants to fuck around with stairs, catwalks, hills, or buildings since being higher up provides literally 0 benefit unless you are on the second floor of a ruin. Even with GW tuning down the lethality of the game, cover bonuses are nothing compared to not getting shot at all. It just makes more sense to copy a tournament layout rather than waste your time trying to figure out the perfect balance between shooting fish in a barrel, and waiting until your opponent chops your head off.
People can, they're just lazy and want GW to do it for them. But then they look at something like crusade, and whine that it's too much bookkeeping. Ok, fine play the missions in white dwarf and shit, no they won't play that either. Make up their own missions? Nope. GW used to do narrative series of books, people bitched endlessly about it(because of the rules and adding to the list of shitty books to need to buy) so GW quit doing that. These people don't know wtf they want.
I'm not sure what it would be at that point. We're talking about a game revolving around resolving conflict with a diceroll. The dice roll is going to be a determining factor.
Absofuckinglutely not. The entire reason why competitive 40k has taken off while casual players who rarely play demanding a narrative(but can't shit or get off the pot), is due to having balanced map layouts where there's an opportunity for combined arms, shooting, or melee armies to work. That updates happen so there isn't just a hope that you bought into the right set of lucky models to have a broken mechanic for the next 3-6 years, and so on.
Sure, but what did we have previously to this? every army having one of 16 variations of deep strike? How many different ways do we need to list that something gets an extra hit on a 6? Let's look at necron tesla weapons.
I fucking hate "McDonaldizing" colorschemes cause they're always super saturated. You could easily make a dark green/pale wooden/purple accented look for a KF marine, but in reality you'd end up with >thin your fucking paints or a harlequin look. You see it constantly with tranny-coded minis, granted 40k is kinda saturated in its colorschemes. Bright red etc, when in reality it'd be darkened and mute.
Kek I was just looking at that. And it's only this loud, even though they've been crying about mods since they first started showing up, because the dude who made that sickass kitbash mod made a thread.
That's what they're mad about? Jesus, what a bunch of speds.
They've been complaining about people using mods since the start. Particularly weapon-unlock mods that let you use any weapon with any class and of course actual cheats; which aren't being showcased at all. So yeah its pretty much people just crying about cosmetics and weapon swaps in PVE since I've only ever seen like 2 or 3 videos of cheaters but dozens and dozens of "IS THIS BULWARK USING THUNDER HAMMER IN INFERNO OP?!?!" type shit. Bunch of speds indeed.
This is why terrain is second to building soldiers as my favourite/most interesting part of the hobby. These days it's easier than it's ever been, and harder than it's ever been. It's easier in that there's more resources available. It's harder because common waste like lolly sticks and match sticks are basically non-existant, and most arts and crafts shops have gone the way of the dodo too. It's strange to me that supplies like that are now the domain of big corpo playsets.
This is a problem with rules. I've heard it described as a "feels bad" rule. Imperial knights are this. Either your enemy brought a tailored all anti tank list or they didn't. The game is decided before it hits the table.
Yes, they should. And did, for a time. But things like template weapons and scatter dice made sweaty players mad.
Back in my day, every game ended with a handshake. This was meant to show there's no hard feelings, even if it was completely one sided. There was also a reputation back then that Ork players were the best, because you never saw a salty orc player. They were always there to have a good time. If they lost, they'd take it well. If they won, it was often funny for the losing player.
These aren't mutually exclusive. Narrative rules can be simple, or complex. It can be as simple as a straight up default mission with head canon being optional, or it can involve complex bespoke rules. Sure, you should try and make it balanced if you can, but at some point you should decide where fun is.
It's not just Imperial Knights, but it's a few other armies and rules. Anti-pskyer and anti-daemon are weapon abilities that are either completely useless or completely shut down your opponent. Fly is another keyword that is extremely niche offering almost no benefit, but if your opponent happens to bring a tank with an anti-fly weapon your units might get screwed. Terminators with invuln saves are another feels bad rule where, unless you brought something that deals mortal wounds, you're probably waiting for your opponent to roll a 1 on their armor save.
When I say it causes conflict I don't necessarily mean two people arguing. Conflict means that one person's enjoyment must come at the expense of the other. I enjoy shooting and killing models, but that means you have to deal with removing models off the board. Since both players want to win, they necessarily have to try to hinder the other which creates an unenjoyable experience. This might be so minimal that it's not even an issue. Playing Chess andlosing a piece causes almost no friction because of how quickly the game moves, and losing pieces is part of the strategy. But even in Chess if you played someone and you never captured a piece the whole match you would probably agree that there really wasn't any point to playing.
Even at a tournament, you discuss that before the game. That's simply good sportsmanship.
Still happens(the handshake, and the orc players basically always being the retarded kid in class that's always happy no matter what's going on). Again, it's a matter of good sportsmanship. Repeatedly bad sportsmanship? That starts earning you a boot from your local group as no one wants to play with you anymore, and even the TOs for the local RTTs might decide to drop your ass.
That's exactly how you're supposed to do it. "Hey, have you played against this army before? Ok, let me give you a brief rundown" or if you don't want to hear it because you've got more experience with the game, you can just ask if they've got any out of phase moves, shorter deep strikes, etc. And this is also why a handshake before the game is a part of sportsmanship. Even when you're on the clock, it doesn't take forever to explain something like army rules for chaos daemons, and their daemonic incursion detachment ability.
For a casual game, absolutely. Tournament, that's up to you and I'd say it's a matter of reading the room. If you find out you're in the 3rd game of the day and your opponent is Timmy the local 12 year old player who has been getting their shit wrecked the entire time, or random new guy who is just happy to be playing and doesn't stand a chance with whatever silly list they brought, then sure actually go over some of that with them during the game.
That's playing by intent, and it speeds shit up. Also means sure, if I put something from reserves onto the board via deepstrike 9" from your stuff, and if we measure it and it happens to be 8.8" well it doesn't matter since it needed to be 9. It also means you're not in rapid fire range for your 18" rapid fire 2 gun, and so on.
And this is why balanced terrain setups are actually important. No one wants to lose a game because a dice roll said they got fucked on the bad side of the board with zero cover for their black templar army to move from cover to cover up the board, and honestly most people don't want to win that way either.
I guess I can understand in a tournament setting if you're reaching the finals maybe you play a little sweaty to win. Wargames are kind of unique in that in any other game if you see your opponent fumble and you know you can easily negate it you would keep your mouth shut and let them mess up.
