Warhammer 40k

[p1138]

Also, according to the internet, Dark Angels are meta right now, along with SM scouts.

DA have been at the bottom half of the meta since pariah nexus 1.1 and specifically the past 2 weekends they've been the 2nd worst and 3rd worst factions. Where are you seeing that they're meta right now?

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I hear WH YouTubers mention all the time about how those boxes are a great deal, and how they're getting sold off super cheap. I've never seen this myself. Even searching "[Boxset] half" only brings up only a few ebay results, and even those are not a great deal.

So this has happened with some of the edition launch boxes, although it's generally easier to do with a vs box if you've got a local friend who wants the other half of it. AoS Dominion was just on sale on miniaturemarket for $100 because it's still collecting dust even after skaventide, and I think they finally managed to get rid of their inventory last week. Leviathan close to launch, you could just buy the half you wanted off ebay for less than the cost of the box pretty easily, same with Indomitus. You're never going to find them for the total cost of the box minus books and shit, and then only paying for the models though. Like skaventide you can find stormcast halves now still on ebay for around 100, the skaven half that people actually wanted a bit more. But you weren't going to get either half at a discount for the books not being included if that makes sense.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that once the sculpts/box/etc are made, the actual plastic is almost as cheap as free. So I don't know how much of a loss they're taking on those sets. Though their scalper-centric fomo/power creep sales method doesn't seem to working for AOS? I understand for FLGS it's different because stock sitting on the shelf not selling is bad for business.

Absolutely is dirt cheap for them, so long as they move enough initial copies to pay for the cost of the molds(depending on the size and detail, injection plastic molds could be $50-100k. However those molds aren't necessarily also just producing 1 sprue at a time either. Once they've recouped the initial cost, it's just the expense of the plastic for the parts and the packaging when they eventually re-box them as a spearhead/combat patrol/whatever in a year and continue to sell them.

 

[bort420]

The knights box this year is kinda shit. The questoris kit is the original 2014 version, and not the 2018 version that came in the 2022 christmas battleforce(chainbreaker lance I think it was called?). Basically, you can only build the paladin and errant(I think that's the two?) and it doesn't come with their carapace mounted weapons that were added later on so you're missing 4/5(depending on how you count canis rex since it's just a named preceptor) options from the kit. GW had to issue a correction on the warcom article when they posted it this year specifying that and immediately soured damn near everyone on it making it one of the worst kits because now you've got to go and source a bunch of shit elsewhere for it which drives the discount way down(3d printing, 3rd party bits, ebay, etc).

It's worse than the last one but still insane (for Gw) value. Magnetize and buy a questoris box (clearly their goal). Two of these plus a questoris box gives a full army.

Still dumb they don't include the extra sprues but not as garbage as people are saying. For $50 more than four armigers you get a questoris, then 3d printing the extra bits is super easy.

 

[p1138]

It's worse than the last one but still insane (for Gw) value. Magnetize and buy a questoris box (clearly their goal). Two of these plus a questoris box gives a full army.

Still dumb they don't include the extra sprues but not as garbage as people are saying

It's not "garbage" as it's still a discount, but it significantly drops the discount compared to the other boxes. The rest are around 28-35% off, the knights box ends up being far less due to what you're not getting. The carapace weapons are actually kind of a problem because they don't cost anything to take, so even without the options to build the other knights, you're getting screwed out of weapons for the two you can magnetize out of the christmas box.

 

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It's worse than the last one but still insane (for Gw) value. Magnetize and buy a questoris box (clearly their goal). Two of these plus a questoris box gives a full army.

Still dumb they don't include the extra sprues but not as garbage as people are saying. For $50 more than four armigers you get a questoris, then 3d printing the extra bits is super easy.

Wait so a full Knight army is... 8 Armigers and 3 Questoris? I thought Knight armies were smaller than that.

 

[p1138]

Wait so a full Knight army is... 8 Armigers and 3 Questoris? I thought Knight armies were smaller than that.

definitely not 8 armigers and 3 questoris in a 2k list. 4 armigers alone is going to be 560-600 points depending on which. Then you'd be fitting in another 3 questoris, or maybe 2 and a dominus or some cerastus instead.

Chaos knights on the other hand... wardogs and wardogs and wardogs... 1 wardog stalker, 6 brigands, 6 karnivores and there's your list lol.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

I was really set on getting the T'au box and I convinced myself not to after other comments about it. I'm tired of GW selling these obviously incomplete sets to force you to buy several other kits. If we go by what's strictly in the box then yes it's a good deal. But you can't just look at the absolute price of the models and say that's the whole story. A commander is completely useless as a model without crisis suits. A Riptide and Ghost Keel operate alone so that's fine. A broadside doesn't have to be a plused up unit so I can forgive there only being one in the box. But the commander is trash that is inflating the price of the box set, or worse means I need to spend another $84 to get the actual set this was supposed to be. It is Retaliation Cadre after all. That means this sets actually costs $324 unless you choose to eat the cost of a commander that you paid for but can't use.

I thought I would get the box because I don't own a Riptide, and a second Ghost Keel is not bad to have. Those would be $210 on their own, so buying the box would mean getting two other models for $20. That's not a terrible deal. The commander is a model I would actually want since I only have one commander and one crisis suit team. They are such a staple that I would want to get them eventually anyways. But then I thought, how much do I really want another broadside? Am I spending extra money just to get a deal? I haven't even finished the models I already have and it'll be months before I'm ready to take the commander I already have out of its box. That's FOMO and I'm not going to buy into it. The Riptide is really the only model I absolutely wanted out of the set and I can get it for cheaper by just buying that one kit.

None of the other boxes are even armies I care about. I haven't started collecting but I want to get into Necrons next. I don't see how these units are any kind of cohesive force. It's not the foundation of a new army, nor an expansion on an existing one. Again it seems like they only picked the centerpiece model and everything else was junk they have too much inventory of.

 

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Those boxed forces haven't moved all day. Even the scalpers haven't cleared them out.

GW fucked up this time, didn't they? Too expensive, not a good enough selection. I remain shocked the knights box didn't do it, even with it missing a sprue or two.

None of the other boxes are even armies I care about. I haven't started collecting but I want to get into Necrons next. I don't see how these units are any kind of cohesive force. It's not the foundation of a new army, nor an expansion on an existing one. Again it seems like they only picked the centerpiece model and everything else was junk they have too much inventory of.

That's exactly what they did, yes.

 

[p1138]

None of the other boxes are even armies I care about. I haven't started collecting but I want to get into Necrons next. I don't see how these units are any kind of cohesive force. It's not the foundation of a new army, nor an expansion on an existing one. Again it seems like they only picked the centerpiece model and everything else was junk they have too much inventory of.

They aren't

The knights box is missing sprues and weapon options for the knights you can build.
The necron box, most of the necron players went and bought the void dragon when it came out and definitely don't need more warriors so the "value" there is the lychguard? Nah. It is playable though.
The tau box basically forces you to immediately go buy something else
Sisters of battle box the repentia and arco flagellants basically do the same thing, but this one actually would be playable albiet boring because the box is padded out with a pair of rhinos of all things
The dark angel box is basically a "I want to play DA" starter kit, not for established DA players. But at least it makes sense for a new player.

 

[Dracula]

Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

 

[StevieLasVegas]

Never heard of him. I'll try to check him out when I get home from work.

 

[Guntkvd]

Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

Yes. He criticizes GW for their lackluster releases, that's why he gets a lot of shit from the fandom.

 

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Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

Yeah, he's good. Amusingly, he works in manufacturing, specifically the same type of manufacturing that would be used to make GW miniatures -- plastic injection moulding. So he knows EXACTLY how much bullshit GW is spouting about 90% of their business model (and prices).

 

[p1138]

Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

The guy is a crybaby who talks about 40k(fortunately he's cut way back on that, but anything he says about the game practically irrelevant), but admitted it he hadn't played since 2014 because he got shafted at some local tournament(I can't remember the specifics) even though it had nothing to do with GW. Practically anything he posts that isn't about HH(which is fine) is him bitching about models not having enough rivets and shit. It doesn't help that his accent or whatever the fuck makes him sound like a manchild about to burst into tears and personally I can't fucking stand it(reminds me of zorpazorp in a way, whose accent is equally irritating). If you're not interested in the Horus Heresy game, I don't see how any of his content could be interesting.

Northern Exile is a more interesting critic of GW, plus you can laugh at some of the obviously dumb made up stories people send in(think D&D horror story greentext that comes off as never actually happening sometimes).

 

[Judge Dredd]

Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

I've seen a few of his videos. Not my thing. The videos of his I've seen are him complaining about GW, but he drags things out and refuses to leave the plantation. eg. Complaining for 15 minutes about the Horus Heresy weapon sprue instead of going third party or abandoning HH. At least "just 3D print" guys actually do something.


Speaking of which, Auspex Tactics shilled Wargames Atlantic on his money saving guide, which I'm happy about. I don't know why he shilled a world war 2 kit instead any of their sci-fi kits, but it's a start. I'm looking forward to their traitor guard kits they crowdfunded, due out in in march. The previews are looking so good.

I've been tempted to get a box of Stargrave Mercenaries. They are a hodge podge of non-standard/individualistic weapons and armour. I'm not sure what they could proxy as if it were 40k. Best I can think of is a guard Kill Team or Necromunda gang.


As you can see, individual bits can be very GW like. The cadian style head, the GW style pistols, etc. There is a set called "troopers" for generic rank and file sci-fi troops, but the individualism is kind of the point with this kit. There's also their "scavangers" kit which is guys in long coats with scrap weapons, and Frostgrave "cultists" which I could kitbash into traitor guard, but as mentioned I might just wait for the WGA Damned kits.

I talked with a friend about kitbashing a lizardman head onto something. Not sure what would be a good fit for that.

 

[p1138]

At least "just 3D print" guys actually do something.

Funny you mention that since he built himself a small 3d print farm a year or two ago. He's got at least 4 FDM printers in the video, and has definitely acquired some resin printers since(considering he has videos about them)

As annoying as the "just 3d print" guys can get at times(there's a couple channels that almost come off as crypto bros, I'm not saying the outer circle is that ridiculous, and I don't think he is) when you've gotten to the point where you've built a building on your property for a 3d print farm rather than just some random room in the house, you've got more than a half dozen printers... just move on already.

 

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As annoying as the "just 3d print" guys can get at times(there's a couple channels that almost come off as crypto bros, I'm not saying the outer circle is that ridiculous, and I don't think he is) when you've gotten to the point where you've built a building on your property for a 3d print farm rather than just some random room in the house, you've got more than a half dozen printers... just move on already.

His career is in plastics manufacturing. Him having a 3d print farm at home is probably more extensive than just "wanna print some cheap Mk3 armor in bulk."


In other news, those Battleforce boxes STILL aren't selling out, other than the three (40k Dark Angels, AoS Orks and Nurgle) that already sold out. I really thought they would.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

In other news, those Battleforce boxes STILL aren't selling out, other than the three (40k Dark Angels, AoS Orks and Nurgle) that already sold out. I really thought they would.

I draw two conclusions from this. The boxes on offer this year aren't very good or despite the three that have sold out we may have finally reached the price ceiling and people don't want to pay that kind of money. It may be a different situation from 3rd party sellers but this could actually be it.
The Necron box would have been so much better if it had the Silent King and not the void dragon since the other contents are basically set up for the Obeisance Phalanx.

 

[p1138]

His career is in plastics manufacturing. Him having a 3d print farm at home is probably more extensive than just "wanna print some cheap Mk3 armor in bulk."

I'm not questioning his career in plastics. But his "hobby space" which is a small 3d print farm(commercial print farms are massive, he's definitely not doing much with the scale he's working with in any commercial capacity) is absolutely enough to just move on. One of the primary problems with 3d printing, other than just learning the ins and outs, is dealing with the resin which he's more than capable of doing especially since he's not doing it in the guest bedroom and having fumes leak past the door into the house or something dumb like that. But if you're at that point... just move on. Haven't touched 40k in a decade, complain about literally everything GW does regarding the games he does play, there's no reason to keep buying GW plastic/resin.

In other news, those Battleforce boxes STILL aren't selling out, other than the three (40k Dark Angels, AoS Orks and Nurgle) that already sold out. I really thought they would.

It's actually a bit funny. People bitched for years about GW never producing enough of anything, and encouraging FOMO(which they did do), but then when GW presumably makes more they don't sell out. It's probably more than the contents compared to the price just aren't interesting enough, but that's not the lesson GW is going to take away from this.

 

[iceteayo]

Any opinions on outer circle?
Is this guy worth watching?

I don’t like him he’s pretty much right on his GW opinions but the issue he’s very “you need to agree with everything or else I’ll unleash my hounds on you” I have seen people link him to being the utter opposite of valrak. I am more shocked the boomer Aussie grogs on his Facebook group say the shit they do with their full names and faces without fear or repercussion.

He didn’t really start off as a chud but he’s been slowly morphed into one because his stuff appealed to them. Other than that he’s pretty much a closet WAAC faggot who will ban you if you criticize this.

 

[Judge Dredd]

It's actually a bit funny. People bitched for years about GW never producing enough of anything, and encouraging FOMO(which they did do), but then when GW presumably makes more they don't sell out. It's probably more than the contents compared to the price just aren't interesting enough, but that's not the lesson GW is going to take away from this.

This is something I don't understand about AOS, specifically Stormcast. If you believe the internet they are simultaneously the basic bitch option everybody plays, but also the army everybody hates and GW can't sell for love nor money. I don't get this mindset that every GW kit needs to always be sold out or it's shit. I'm all for hating GW, but at least hate them for reasons that make sense.