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GloryToArztotska said:
Random question: Are Astartes power armors and weapons watersealed enough to walk across an ocean floor?
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One of the dexes mentions the Space Marines rooting out an underwater Tau base on an ocean floor.

But it doesn't really matter since the mucranoid and multi-lung means Astartes can survive just about anywhere. Most writers forget about their more specialized organs to the point Brothers of the Snake was notable for actually including the Betcher's Gland in the final fight scene.

(Also that same fight had the Space Marine have his life saved by his helmet, but that was back when Dan Abnett knew how to write.)
 
Thescourer33 said:
Would you consider the tau to be Nafo crimge?
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I hate the Tau with a burning passion. They should be the punching bag of the setting and humiliated at every turn.

I don't give a flying fuck about whatever excuses GW comes up with for their existence, they are a shit faction that attracts the worst the fanbase has to offer.

It doesn't help that they are practically a Mary Sue, they never have to deal with any of the shit other factions do.

Rebellions and uprisings? Ethereas brainwash and keep everyone docile and pliant other than Farsight. There is no possibility of devastating civil wars breaking out.

Issues with AI? None, their drones are loyal and do as they are told, there is not even a hint of the possibility of rebelling and assraping the Tau like AIs did to humans.

Chaos and Warp problems? Tau are nearly blanks (but, as proper Mary Sues, without any of the drawbacks), so they never have to deal with that shit, nor do any of the other races under their thrall. Why aren't human hive worlds "liberated" by the Tau being consumed by Chaos cults? Why aren't there roaming bands of Chaos Kroots? Why do none of their more warp-sensitive races randomly spawning daemons for shit and giggles?

Their technology is either on par or superior to that of the other races, despite them only reaching space a few thousand years ago - and even that they achieved quicker than any other race. All their tech is reliable, works as intended and has none of the quirks of the tech the other races use, and they apparently have no problem inventing new things to face new threats they encounter.

They can survive the attack of any faction, despite other factions realistically being able to squash them like bugs, because apparently fighting Tau will turn their opponent into raging morons that have forgotten they've been waging war for the better part of 10,000 years (or millions of years in the case of Necron, Ork and Eldar).
 
regalterry said:
Rebellions and uprisings? Ethereas brainwash and keep everyone docile and pliant other than Farsight.
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No chance of rebellion except for when they do.
regalterry said:
Issues with AI? None, their drones are loyal and do as they are told, there is not even a hint of the possibility of rebelling and assraping the Tau like AIs did to humans.
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Because it's also a uniquely human thing. I've heard two theories about the war. Either the Men of Iron were just fed up with serving humanity, or they determined that humanity's connection to the warp was too great a threat. The T'au are not human so wouldn't hold that grudge, nor do they develop world ending psykers. Necrons don't have this issue either, Votann don't, Eldar didn't have issue with ai,. This is just a human plotpoint because humans suck.
regalterry said:
Chaos and Warp problems? Tau are nearly blanks (but, as proper Mary Sues, without any of the drawbacks), so they never have to deal with that shit, nor do any of the other races under their thrall. Why aren't human hive worlds "liberated" by the Tau being consumed by Chaos cults? Why aren't there roaming bands of Chaos Kroots? Why do none of their more warp-sensitive races randomly spawning daemons for shit and giggles?
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You've obviously never heard of the 4th sphere of expansion where this exact thing happened. The expedition fleet got lost in the warp and all the lesser races started going insane and summoning warp demons. Farsight has to fight against Khorne's influence. That sword isn't free. Por Malcaor was a T'au water caste who was possessed by a demon of Tzeentch. T'au only have a handful of novels but chaos plays a huge part in their lore.
regalterry said:
Their technology is either on par or superior to that of the other races, despite them only reaching space a few thousand years ago - and even that they achieved quicker than any other race. All their tech is reliable, works as intended and has none of the quirks of the tech the other races use, and they apparently have no problem inventing new things to face new threats they encounter.
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Humanity would too if they didn't ban innovation. The last time GW introduced hover tanks and improved bolters everyone hated it.

All of your complaints about T'au really just stem from "Why isn't this faction just like humans? Waah!"
 
Humble Architect said:
You ever see the model some guy made of the Daemonculaba? It’s even worse than I imagined it.
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  1. You're an EC, this is tame compared to what's in your homework folder.
  2. It's ultimately Bile's fault. He's the one who murdered Soulaka and burned down the IWs' geneseed labs.
  3. It would've had a higher success rate if the Night Lords hadn't been such tightwads with all the skin they hoard.
 
Meat Target said:
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  1. You're an EC, this is tame compared to what's in your homework folder.
  2. It's ultimately Bile's fault. He's the one who murdered Soulaka and burned down the IWs' geneseed labs.
  3. It would've had a higher success rate if the Night Lords hadn't been such tightwads with all the skin they hoard.
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I was talking about that ugly mask, makes her look autistic and bitter.

I’ve got a few horrors in my EC and people skewered onto tanks but it’s done in an aesthetically pleasing manner, that’s the important part.

Bile killing Soulaka was hilarious, the IW save the EC and get spit on for their efforts, for the entire book.
 
Humans didn’t ban innovation, just extremely cautious, and admech having hoard autism and refuse to share knowledge , and I wish imperium had hover tanks sooner, and introduced more proprietary so the ‘muh grimderp stagnation’ autist won’t sperg about it
 
Thescourer33 said:
Humans didn’t ban innovation, just extremely cautious, and admech having hoard autism and refuse to share knowledge , and I wish imperium had hover tanks sooner, and introduced more proprietary so the ‘muh grimderp stagnation’ autist won’t sperg about it
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They literally consider innovation to be a sin against the Omnisaiah. They is a cursed heretical tome called "In Defence of the Future: A Logical Discourse" that suggests that the Imperium should stop reusing old tech constantly and try to make new technology again. The Imperium destroyed every single copy and killed every single person that read or knew of it that they could find.

"Once we were Gods, but what are we now? Willfully ignorant savages and self-deluded fools, little more than helpless children scattered and lost in the cold dark. But I tell you, we have been Gods and we shall be Gods again." — In Defence of the Future: A Logical Discourse, author unknown, banned M36

Of course, that book is from Dark Heresy, so it's as canonical as anything else from that. (I believe the homebrew chapters created for the RPG were confirmed canon so, maybe?) ... It's from Black Library. Nice. Canon.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
They literally consider innovation to be a sin against the Omnisaiah
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People seem to forget the introduction to 40k in the beginning of every book.

Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war.
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Update on the Inquisitor situation from the previous Rogue Trader post: He brought along a blank with him which put my half-daemon rogue trader on the back foot. But as it turns out, he was only worried about sourcing the battlesuit and what Tau tech the RT had acquired. Mr. Inquisitor specifically said that he "doesn't care what you're doing or what you've become", so he's at least somewhat radical. And Lord Winterscale continues to be easy to run diplomatic circles around, much to our benefit.
 
Thescourer33 said:
Humans didn’t ban innovation, just extremely cautious, and admech having hoard autism and refuse to share knowledge , and I wish imperium had hover tanks sooner, and introduced more proprietary so the ‘muh grimderp stagnation’ autist won’t sperg about it
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The mechanicus priests consider it tech-heresy to further research and develop technology. Your ass is getting servitor'd if an inquisitor finds out about your "new and improved flashlight which works even without burning incense and chanting canticles".
Hover tanks is GW's way of stealing from the Eldar and giving it to their primaris troops under the guise of Cawl just had all of that shit on his bedside drawer, just waiting for the opportune time. I still see IRL older neckbeards seethe about the blandification and de-Gothicization of the space marines ever since 7th edition.
 
augment said:
The mechanicus priests consider it tech-heresy to further research and develop technology. Your ass is getting servitor'd if an inquisitor finds out about your "new and improved flashlight which works even without burning incense and chanting canticles".
Hover tanks is GW's way of stealing from the Eldar and giving it to their primaris troops under the guise of Cawl just had all of that shit on his bedside drawer, just waiting for the opportune time. I still see IRL older neckbeards seethe about the blandification and de-Gothicization of the space marines ever since 7th edition.
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By my neckbeard, I will seethe about it just like a dwarf!
 
Miriam Margoyles said:
Everybody's favourite Warhammer YouTuber, Guy from Midwinter Minis just spunked £150 on some new guns for his Warlord Titan.
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I won't watch his content even for a hatewatch. Cheated on his baby momma, communist, douchebag, beats it to troons and certified reddit moment machine. He is like if you took every unlikeable "paintfluencer" quality and fed it through an AI that can only generate prompts from an unholy amalgam of BlueSky and r/Sigmarxism drip fed into the rotted stomach of a terminally online ThatGuy only to be shat out in video format. A Daemonculaba of midwittery, if you will.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
Humanity would too if they didn't ban innovation. The last time GW introduced hover tanks and improved bolters everyone hated it.
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Funnily enough its canon that Tau tech is behind the Imperium's in so many ways, especially suspensors and FTL drives. Don't forget that unlike the Imperium that has man-portable plasma guns the Tau can't fit theirs on anything smaller than a battlesuit, and they're weaker than Imperial ones on top of that. They're stuck using missile pods instead of autocannons, and the fusion blaster lacks the range of the multi-melta despite having the same size and portability issues as their plasma rifle does. Their biggest advantage over the IoM is their ability to reliably mass-produce their inferior tech, and even then they're still not able to hand out pulse weapons to their Gue'vesa the same way they do their own Fire Warriors.

Oh, and don't forget their warships both lore-wise and crunch-wise are fragile as hell and 100% dependent on softening up their foes at range with attack craft and torpedo spam, and in the BFG tabletop even have half efficiency at defending against boarding actions because Tau really do suck that hard at close combat.
 
Snekposter said:
Funnily enough its canon that Tau tech is behind the Imperium's in so many ways, especially suspensors and FTL drives. Don't forget that unlike the Imperium that has man-portable plasma guns the Tau can't fit theirs on anything smaller than a battlesuit, and they're weaker than Imperial ones on top of that. They're stuck using missile pods instead of autocannons, and the fusion blaster lacks the range of the multi-melta despite having the same size and portability issues as their plasma rifle does. Their biggest advantage over the IoM is their ability to reliably mass-produce their inferior tech, and even then they're still not able to hand out pulse weapons to their Gue'vesa the same way they do their own Fire Warriors.

Oh, and don't forget their warships both lore-wise and crunch-wise are fragile as hell and 100% dependent on softening up their foes at range with attack craft and torpedo spam, and in the BFG tabletop even have half efficiency at defending against boarding actions because Tau really do suck that hard at close combat.
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Pulse weapons are plasma guns. Every tau fire warrior carries a man-portable plasma rifle with better accuracy and safety than Imperial ones, able to penetrate light tank armor reliably. Their missile pods are in some ways better than autocannons since a single missile pod can beat Space Marine armor every time where as autocannons cannot do so reliably, although the autocannons have much better rates of fire, of course. They have better stuff than the Imperium for their troops, generally. Like how standard battlesuits are space marine armor but lighter plus all the cool weapons. Or broadside armor is equivalent to terminator armor but lighter. Or the extremely rare Iridium battlesuits. Battlesuit weapons wreck most space marines and on at least one occasion I know of, battlesuit pilots hold full conversations while taking bolter fire to the engines with little to no interest. Not to mention their massively improved cogitator and drone tech. They just don't have the industry or manpower the Imperium has. It's why their two major military tactics rely on one-shotting your enemy. They can't win any protracted conflict without a miracle.

But yes, in melee, ship tech, and the like, they're weaker, although I think given the same time the Imperium had even without their own archeotech, they'll blow the Imperium out of the water on those fronts too. But they're tiny and naive and don't realize or care quite how outclassed they are by everyone else's huge domains. That's their big weakness. Fighting for good doesn't last in the 40k galaxy so either their ethereals fall deeper into their totalitarianism or the tau die. It seems like they're going for the former since the ethereals have been covering up the death of their leader since the Damocles crusade.
 
So, besides Orks. What other army is more open to kitbashing? Cause I def saw Genestealer Cults being one for that and think SoB.
 
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