Warhammer 40k

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

So, besides Orks. What other army is more open to kitbashing? Cause I def saw Genestealer Cults being one for that and think SoB.

Guard, space marine kits with a little trim can fit well with storm cast models. Also Chaos Space Marines generally go well together despite the god of choice and black legion has tonnes of warbands from the various cults you can choose from to add a splash of colour. Tau can also be rather kit bash friendly, I've seen people mix skinks and saurus warriors with weapons options etc.

 

[p1138]

Guard, space marine kits with a little trim can fit well with storm cast models. Also Chaos Space Marines generally go well together despite the god of choice and black legion has tonnes of warbands from the various cults you can choose from to add a splash of colour. Tau can also be rather kit bash friendly, I've seen people mix skinks and saurus warriors with weapons options etc.

Basically this. Tau works well because you're just adding more auxiliary xenos units and fits well within the lore. GSC, literally just ragtag madmax most of the time anyway. CSM you can just stick extra spikes and skulls on shit but Chaos Daemons work pretty well too for kitbashing. Nids would be another so long as what you've kitbashed is reasonably close to what its supposed to represent.

 

[Male Idiot]

The tau's efficiency against marines really depends on the writer.

A bolter can go from 3 hits to kill to completely useless for use against a battlesuit.

That's before we ignore that whenever the marines face tau, they somehow slow down to human and tau speed.

Maybe the tau have an ork like Greater Gooodwaaagh that makes the marines weaker.

A pulse weapon is a semi-plasma gun, but it does not nearly have the raw power of Imperial plasma guns. Also 90% of writers forgets about any AP bolter ammo like Kraken or Vengeance, and the dozen deathwatch ones, but those are rare. So even at best it may match the boltgun's firepower, but not versatility, if GW remembered their own lore.

 

[Mr Clark]

Sisters kitbash well because most of the range is the same 32mm base and body. I remember reading that a box of kill team novitiates can create a palatine, cannoness and maybe a hospitaler? I dunno, i hesitate buying that box because i either build them for kill team or 40k but not both

Theres a lot of shortcuts to be had if youre interested.

 

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Funnily enough its canon that Tau tech is behind the Imperium's in so many ways, especially suspensors and FTL drives. Don't forget that unlike the Imperium that has man-portable plasma guns the Tau can't fit theirs on anything smaller than a battlesuit, and they're weaker than Imperial ones on top of that. They're stuck using missile pods instead of autocannons, and the fusion blaster lacks the range of the multi-melta despite having the same size and portability issues as their plasma rifle does. Their biggest advantage over the IoM is their ability to reliably mass-produce their inferior tech, and even then they're still not able to hand out pulse weapons to their Gue'vesa the same way they do their own Fire Warriors.

Oh, and don't forget their warships both lore-wise and crunch-wise are fragile as hell and 100% dependent on softening up their foes at range with attack craft and torpedo spam, and in the BFG tabletop even have half efficiency at defending against boarding actions because Tau really do suck that hard at close combat.

There's a book where a Warship's AI gets tired of almost getting from all these idiots flying around using it as a glorified cathedral in a combat zone so, having connected an AdMech to itself, it activates it's actual DAoT weapons systems, and fires a miniature black hole backwards in time to destroy something that was attacking it before it could attack. This was, supposedly, one of it's basic weapon systems.

Yes, Tau tech is WAY behind Imperium tech. But they're stuck cargo culting things. Makes me wonder if there are any incidents of the T'au realizing just how fucking advanced the DAoT Imperium tech really is.

Also, god, I wish they hadn't fucked up the Squats.

 

[Thescourer33]

They literally consider innovation to be a sin against the Omnisaiah. They is a cursed heretical tome called "In Defence of the Future: A Logical Discourse" that suggests that the Imperium should stop reusing old tech constantly and try to make new technology again. The Imperium destroyed every single copy and killed every single person that read or knew of it that they could find.

"Once we were Gods, but what are we now? Willfully ignorant savages and self-deluded fools, little more than helpless children scattered and lost in the cold dark. But I tell you, we have been Gods and we shall be Gods again." — In Defence of the Future: A Logical Discourse, author unknown, banned M36

Of course, that book is from Dark Heresy, so it's as canonical as anything else from that. (I believe the homebrew chapters created for the RPG were confirmed canon so, maybe?) ... It's from Black Library. Nice. Canon.

I doubt it canon, they prob also say that gay xeno marriage will save humanity

People seem to forget the introduction to 40k in the beginning of every book.

They say this cuz they won’t wanna make new models for production reasons, and there are new stuff made after heresy, and they only arrest you if you did unrestricted innovation which is danagerous

There's a book where a Warship's AI gets tired of almost getting from all these idiots flying around using it as a glorified cathedral in a combat zone so, having connected an AdMech to itself, it activates it's actual DAoT weapons systems, and fires a miniature black hole backwards in time to destroy something that was attacking it before it could attack. This was, supposedly, one of it's basic weapon systems.

Yes, Tau tech is WAY behind Imperium tech. But they're stuck cargo culting things. Makes me wonder if there are any incidents of the T'au realizing just how fucking advanced the DAoT Imperium tech really is.

Also, god, I wish they hadn't fucked up the Squats.

What you mean about the squats

 

[isalaide]

Everybody's favourite Warhammer YouTuber, Guy from Midwinter Minis just spunked £150 on some new guns for his Warlord Titan.

I just saw this this morning and my first thought was, I'm going to comment this to Miriam to enjoy the hate explosion. The guy really is a first class wanker.

 

[p1138]

What you mean about the squats

They're boring shitty clones of eachother that amount to a dollar store version of deep rock galactic except even more generic looking.

 

[Thescourer33]

They're boring shitty clones of eachother that amount to a dollar store version of deep rock galactic except even more generic looking.

I mean they have potential , it’s interesting to see daot stuff, and not saying ‘daot was a liberal paradise and fascist imperium chuds only use scraps because they can’t invent because they’re rascist“

 

[p1138]

I mean they have potential , it’s interesting to see daot stuff, and not saying ‘daot was a liberal paradise and fascist imperium chuds only use scraps because they can’t invent because they’re rascist“

Half of their models look like starcraft space marines(kinda funny when you think about it), most of them don't even look like dwarves, and their current lore is boring as shit. Not sure what daot stuff has to do with them, because other than the votann themselves(super computers, maybe STCs) they don't use any dark age tech. They're just boring dwarves that dig holes, fight orks as their mortal enemy, and go whaling against tyranid bioships that is apparently super easy for them to do and barely eventful normally.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

That's their big weakness. Fighting for good doesn't last in the 40k galaxy so either their ethereals fall deeper into their totalitarianism or the tau die. It seems like they're going for the former since the ethereals have been covering up the death of their leader since the Damocles crusade.

We saw what happened when the Tau's 4th Sphere Expansion Fleet suffered a breach in the Warp. They slaughtered every member of auxiliary species. Then the Ethereals covered up and isolated the 4th Sphere remnants.

The Tau have a habit of hiding away inconvenient truths from their empire. I believe Farsight has been almost entirely erased from Tau records. Aun'va is still alive and well according to all reports. There will come a point where the truth can't be hidden and it will fracture the Greater Good between the Tau castes, the auxiliary species, and the Ethereals.

 

[EleventySeven]

We saw what happened when the Tau's 4th Sphere Expansion Fleet suffered a breach in the Warp. They slaughtered every member of auxiliary species. Then the Ethereals covered up and isolated the 4th Sphere remnants.

The Tau have a habit of hiding away inconvenient truths from their empire. I believe Farsight has been almost entirely erased from Tau records. Aun'va is still alive and well according to all reports. There will come a point where the truth can't be hidden and it will fracture the Greater Good between the Tau castes, the auxiliary species, and the Ethereals.

If 40k end times ever happens, I hope it leads to Farsight befriending or at least allying with Guilliman and taking as much of the Tau as he can with him. The Ethereals doing so horribly heinous shit and then getting eaten by tyranids or end up allying with someone like the dark eldar out of desperation for mind control tech.

 

[daniel day]

Everybody's favourite Warhammer YouTuber, Guy from Midwinter Minis just spunked £150 on some new guns for his Warlord Titan.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jkg4Znw2FRI
This is the highlight of the video for me, though.

1000020577.mp4

No, Guy.
It stands for 'Kiwi Farms'.

Actually just finished watching it while building my Chaos Cultists. It's a pretty funny vid if you're down for some retard midwit takes.

>still complaining about the orc giganotosaurus thing from fucking October
>started off by outing himself as being too retarded to play the game, lost EVERY test game at 2000 points
>decided that buying new shit is going to maybe give him the win
>expects THE showcase "I have a Fat Wallet" model to actually be seriously balanced in the game
>admits his specific MM blue is fucking shit
>"I don't care if this color gets somewhere else, because the more color the better, right?"
>the guy that kicked his ass is named "Big sexy steve" on his phone
>"I just rolled bad g-guys I swear"

Lmao what a fag

 

[MG-34]

So, besides Orks. What other army is more open to kitbashing? Cause I def saw Genestealer Cults being one for that and think SoB.

Imperial Guard. Unlike Space Marines you aren't restricted to certain colors and their tanks are highly customizable with several variants for multiple weapon variants. I think there are 4 different versions of the Leman Russ Vanquisher for example as well as several different hull variants of the Russ. There's also tons of STL files for anything in their lineup.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

>the guy that kicked his ass is named "Big sexy steve" on his phone

He has a really weird sexual sense of humour. Did you catch the bit about his new titan needing some 'blue pills' to help it's drooping guns stand 'erect'?

I've noticed that there will almost always be an inappropriate joke or sexual reference in his videos, and every time he does it, it's like the humour equivalent of stepping on a slug in just your socks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude, I don’t mind a bit of innuendo, but that sort of stuff just seems really sleazy and unpleasant coming from Guy. Not least because he tries to simultaneously try to cultivate this image of being a heckin' wholesome pillar of the Warhammer community, the responsible family man with two kids.

You can be that person, Guy, or you can be the sleazy bloke who makes cheap sex references and fucks around on his wife.

But you can't be both.

 

[Kharash]

It's truly inspiring how GW managed to make space dwarves uninteresting. No one is asking them to reinvent the wheel. If they had done the bare minimum and made them the most stereotypical dwarves, but in space I'd still be happy. I want funny little men with big beards, an unnatural tolerance for alcohol, and an unmitigated hatred for knife ears. Honestly they should have stolen everything from Deep Rock Galactic. Or make them a foil to Orcs. Love me axe, love me Kin, 'ate green skins. Simple as.

You just described Space Wolves. Which was the problem GW had. Admech also already cover a lot of the ground space dwarfs would, from being autistic crafters to an adherence to tradition to a fault.

 

[daniel day]

He has a really weird sexual sense of humour. Did you catch the bit about his new titan needing some 'blue pills' to help it's drooping guns stand 'erect'?

I've noticed that there will almost always be an inappropriate joke or sexual reference in his videos, and every time he does it, it's like the humour equivalent of stepping on a slug in just your socks.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a prude, I don’t mind a bit of innuendo, but that sort of stuff just seems really sleazy and unpleasant coming from Guy. Not least because he tries to simultaneously try to cultivate this image of being a heckin' wholesome pillar of the Warhammer community, the responsible family man with two kids.

You can be that person, Guy, or you can be the sleazy bloke who makes cheap sex references and fucks around on his wife.

But you can't be both.

tbh I don't notice a lot of that anymore because basically every person on youtube with a sizeable following is an unrepentant and obvious sexpest, and I watch too much youtube to go poking holes in a foundering ship. Go watch the deadmeat killcounts for like a million pedophile jokes* if you'd like a prime example. It's the same with hollywood movies. You know Tom Hanks touched a bunch of kids, but you'd still probably watch the green mile or toy story 27.

*not pedophile bad jokes either

 

[p1138]

>started off by outing himself as being too retarded to play the game, lost EVERY test game at 2000 points

The trouble is that the rules for the model are simply dogshit. It can't hold more than two objectives(depending on terrain it may only be able to hold one), can't be doing secondaries while holding objectives most of the time. Only has a 5++ with no FNP. It can't hide. Only has 8 ranged weapon profiles to split fire with(and remember, those targets have to be declared before you start shooting, so you can't almost kill a target and then point a different gun at it that you had declared was going to shoot something else). It's AP means fuck all to an army with 4++ on things like vehicles. It's a single unit so any enemy stratagems that can affect it become far more efficient than they would against anything else. It has no army or detachment. So yeah, even an army list that's setup to be a general list usually won't have a problem taking out a warlord titan in 2-4 rounds without list tailoring with plenty capable of doing it in 2 if they know someone is bringing a warlord titan to a 2000 point game and playing it as 2000 points. It's just an exacerbated version of the problem with the warhound titan that is actually normally playing in a 2000 point game at 1100 points, for all of the same reasons but at least then you've got other units to do things while the warhound is getting removed from the table in 1-2 rounds.

This really of course was just nothing other than this idiot having no better ideas for content, and he's not getting free shit from GW anymore so he dropped another 100 pounds on some guns for it and will get at least 2 videos from that(this one and the inevitable battle report where he loses again unless he rigs it but who really cares).

 

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Half of their models look like starcraft space marines(kinda funny when you think about it), most of them don't even look like dwarves, and their current lore is boring as shit. Not sure what daot stuff has to do with them, because other than the votann themselves(super computers, maybe STCs) they don't use any dark age tech. They're just boring dwarves that dig holes, fight orks as their mortal enemy, and go whaling against tyranid bioships that is apparently super easy for them to do and barely eventful normally.

They're in that amazingly talented level of fuckup where they both look too much like generic scifi dwarves (Deep Rock Galactic was mentioned and I agree) AND not enough like Space Dwarves. In the end it's an extension of the Primaris problem. They don't FEEL like 40k to me. No spice to it at all. They should feel like a biker gang of old pissed off dwarves in space, big fuckoff beards and all. Their gear should look like Imperium gear only without 10,000+ years of tech stagnation and gothic themes. It doesn't. Fail.

And that's before you have shit like GW getting bored halfway and forgetting to finish the army, not putting out any real lore about them, etc. I know pulling the BL authors away from their 95th book about the heresy or how Chaos is the real victor all along and how the Emperor was a bad father just like ADB's but they really needed some fun books about the Squats' perspective of all the big 40k shit they missed out on. A bunch of drunk dwarves fucking about in the 40k setting, their tech keeping them mostly safe while they fuck over Eldar, kill Orks, pretend to not know anything around the Imperium... Heck, what if they fucking knew about all the shit they missed as it was happening and were like "nah, no money in it, back to mining lads."

We know they can do this cause they did a book just like this for the Necrons. The Infinite and the Divine. And it was glorious.

In the end it really feels like they didn't have a plan other than "lets revive the faction." I've seen some autists do a "design compass" a-la political compass or a "design triangle" for factions before, where you put armies on a spectrum between shooty/melee, elite/horde, infantry/tanks, etc etc. (The marines, of course, fit all roles everywhere because god forbid you tell a GW employee they can't design a new marine datasheet. Hell they literally put out a Marine Blade Champion datasheet the same day they put out the Custodes Blade Champion datasheet. Here's your equal attention cake, Marines!)

This was probably GW's last chance to add a new pin to cover a missing section of that "design compass." Failing that, they could have done something amusing like taken the Space Marine line and condensed it to a few dozen datasheets and checked if anyone even noticed.

In the end they just... didn't. So now we get to wait for a faction re-relaunch in 12th or 13th edition a-la the Necrons getting their big revamp.

In another timeline, 10th edition's starter was Squats vs Orks, which would have been amusing as hell.

Edit: How bad are NuSquats? I know I've read the Squat codex's fluff, but I cannot for the life of me remember any of it. So obviously, I go back and re-read it to remember and relearn it. Only a week later, it's gone again. This has repeated 3 times that I can remember.

 

[p1138]

Edit: How bad are NuSquats? I know I've read the Squat codex's fluff, but I cannot for the life of me remember any of it. So obviously, I go back and re-read it to remember and relearn it. Only a week later, it's gone again. This has repeated 3 times that I can remember.

Like I said, bland. The shit I wrong about the boring tyranid space whaling and their mortal enemies being orks and not doing much with it is after I finished The High Kahl's Oath last week. They're a boring faction with boring characters and so few notable aspects it's hilarious. The short version of the book...

Spoiler

Some kin group clusterfuck of them has their high kahl go on a wacky wild adventure and gets killed, a sole survivor gets back. They elect a new high kahl that is the one who goes on adventures for profit space whaling and shit because their votann told them to. Some nerdy one shows up and gets ignored at their drinking hall. The survivor says the last one said his oath was to relay how the previous high kahl died. The nerdy one complains about how his shit is more important and gets told to fuck off. They gather they forces and go through the well or urdu or whatever the fuck(the rift maybe? I don't know, they have their own words for shit sometimes and it's confusing) to go get the body so they can dump it back into the votann computer and it can spit out a new clone later on eventually. They get there, it's a 10,000 year old ancient kin-hold with orks infesting it. The nerdy one gets angry he was ignored and uses his necklace/badge of office to disable the kin fleets shields, so then CSM ships immediately show up to attack. Back at the ork planet, they break into the underground facility by drilling because dwarfs, find the body, find the ring, and the computer there starts using the warp to beam messages into a couple of their heads. Back at the kin fleet, the CSM are attacking shit has hit the fan, then some imperial navy vessel that the new high khal saved at the beginning shows up to assist and save the day. Back at the cave shit they put the ring on go to the computer and get a star map to find a location of a missing votann. Back at the main fleet shit is attacking, the nerdy one sends a space telegram to his bosses that he needs to reactivate the shit, they eventually reply with a message that the ones on the adventure found the ring he was sent there to get from the high kahl but never actually stated so they send back the commands to turn the shields back on. The space dwarfs win the battle against the CSM. The space dwarfs win the battle vs the orks, the new high kahl realizes she did the thing and got the ring back so now she can retire as high kahl and not go adventuring but other groups of her dwarf kinband can go find the missing votann for her. The end.

So yes they are utterly fucking boring. I left out parts of them eating dinner, discussing trade negotiations for the tyranid hive ship materials, and shit like that.