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Miriam Margoyles said:
...What if Guy was actually based though? 🤔

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Why does it seem like every warhammer/miniatures YouTuber that YouTube tries to push is either a tranny or a sjw?


Late, but I heard the old IG combat patrol was discontinued, and ended up getting scalped. Which makes no sense as the entire box is minis you can get on their own? Scalping a discount box seems silly.
 
Judge Dredd said:
Why does it seem like every warhammer/miniatures YouTuber that YouTube tries to push is either a tranny or a sjw?


Late, but I heard the old IG combat patrol was discontinued, and ended up getting scalped. Which makes no sense as the entire box is minis you can get on their own? Scalping a discount box seems silly.
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People will try to scalp anything, and GW discount boxes unless they're exceptionally bad(like the black templar army box from last edition) will get scalped to the point of costing barely less than buying the models separately. And then the limited edition black library books, those damned things get to $300-500 at times.
Total Norman Death said:
Never doubt GW paypigs
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And they do it to themselves.
 
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Decided to paint one of my tech priest proxies while I wait for his friends to finish printing. (plz forgive the temporarily smudged off paint from my clammy fingers)
Just recently got the printer dialed in so I havent painted any of my prints yet (or really any miniatures ever, only gunpla) so I went with brush painted first. I want to try airbrushing next but from what I'm reading in the thread I probably need to get some smaller needles/nozzles for my neo.

Aside from some globbing here and there I dont think he's too bad so far
 
So, Kiwis, help me spend money irresponsibly.

It's my birthday soon, and I've been criticised for being too thrifty when it comes to hobby. So I'm thinking of splurging a bit. Pic related.
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Here's what I'm thinking and why.

1. Warhammer Underworld
It's a game in a box, and has more in common with board games than traditional minis games. As a result, I can buy all of this myself since the game is £70 or less, and if I want to expand, teams are £20 each. Not the best value per mini, but it's easy to sell a half hour board game with minis I provide to a prospective player than a 3 hour wargame they have to put hundreds of pounds in themselves. I'm not interested in buying over priced decks of cards in order to have a "meta" deck so the money sink doesn't effect me. Might buy the lizardmen team.

2. Legion Imperealis
Still doing research on this one, but the same logic as Warhammer Underworld. £100 give or take gets the box set which, unlike 40k starter sets, might include enough for a reasonable game?

3. Space Marine Dreadnought and Terminators (Primaris or HH)
I like dreadnoughts. Never owned one. I always got value boxes or otherwise never built a full army to support them. Same with Terminators. (My first model was a terminator with assault cannon).

The idea here would be to buy a dreadnought or terminators, then maybe a few squads and make a 3rd edition 750pt list I never really had as a teenager, but with primaris or HH era models. Something akin to this video here (timestamped)
I was big into bikes back then, and I know they aren't really a thing any more.

The big obstacle is money. No matter how it's sliced, the cost is extortionate and I can't help but feel bad. £50 for a dreadnought, £45 for 5 terminators. That's nearly £100 for 6 models. Hard to swallow in the age of Gunpla. Especially for something that will likely never see the tabletop.

I've been told to go 30k because it's more cost effective. Yeah, it's all firstborn, but you get double the model for your money. That is also an option. Especially since I theoretically have an old 5th edition battleforce box buried somewhere. New old firstborn stock might be an option as well, but that will be dependant on finding them.

Not sure if I'd paint them in a modern scheme, or something retro.

4. Finish a guard army or Tau army
I'm a sucker for Wargames Atlantic knock off guard kits, and they have a bunch of new traitor guard kits due out at the end of May (so July releastically). The idea with this would be to buy a sentinal (or even mini-knights), and a HQ to finish an army. It's not a competitive list and I doubt it'd ever see the table top.

I also have a bunch of Tau that never saw the tabletop. It was whatever the value box was at the time, and I remember painting a bunch of fire warriors, drones, and a devilfish. Unlike other things listed, I even have the paints ready to go.

6. Battletech and other games
And swinging this all the way back around. Again, I'm tempted by Battletech for it's "game in a box" sales pitch. £70 gets a box with everything needed to play. Extra mechs, while bad value per mini, are affordable enough. Just like Warhammer Underworld, this might see the table because it's cheap enough for me to afford all the bits.
 
Judge Dredd said:
2. Legion Imperealis
Still doing research on this one, but the same logic as Warhammer Underworld. £100 give or take gets the box set which, unlike 40k starter sets, might include enough for a reasonable game?
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It's 1800 points but it isn't playable like that. The recommended game size is 3000 like HH, a lot of people play 2000, but you're going to need more than just the box. The forces in the starter box aren't legal on their own either or using everything combined. You need to pick solar auxilia or legions astartes, and you need minimum 70% of your army to be the main army. So at 3000 points, thats 900 max of titans/whatever, at 2000 points that's 600 max of titans/whatever. So you only end up with around 600 points of your main army being usable from the starter box, and need to more than double just that alone to get to 2000 points playable using everything else in the starter.

I mentioned this before, but legions imperialis is a lot more expensive than it appears initially due to the organizational restrictions and what they include in the discount boxes. Use something like newrecruit and build a shopping list with it, it's going to cost a lot more than the initial box to be playable.
 
Inquisitor_BadAss said:
@Judge Dredd Finish your guard and or Tau army. Everything else you're just adding to an ever growing pile of games but with your guard and Tau you would have two armies ready to go whenever you want to play.
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It's not about when I want to play, but when other people want to play. Board games I can find players for. Not often, but it's possible. Wargames, not so much.

I quit 40k years ago, it was in large part because people wouldn't play. They wouldn't play my Tau because they "sucked" and "didn't belong in 40k" and could easily be beaten by "just getting into melee" etc. I bought marines and people made the excuse that everyone plays marines. When games were arranged, no one would turn up. It became clear to me that the local scene was more interested in theory crafting and arguing over lore than playing the game.

I know a guy that sold a massive 40k collection and now plays Bolt Action. He won't buy GW again, mainly due to prices. He considered Star Wars Legion and Fallout, but was chased off by prices. Various hobby places have come and gone over the years, and there's the same problem. Nobody plays. They just hung around and talked bullshit. Now playing isn't even a theoretical option. GW doesn't have tables to play on, and FLGS don't do game stuff any more. They went from board games and comic books to gunpla, funko pops, and pride flags.

It's why I say I have little to no faith of these armies reaching the table.


Games in a box I can find players for because I have all the minis, and there's little investment on the other players behalf. I have games like this. Nexus Ops being a favourite. I might be able to talk Bolt Action guy or board game guys into giving it a go but, like a board game, I'd have to provide the peices myself. There are games like this. Aliens, Battletech, Kill Team, Halo Flashpoint. Of course, these lack the scale of a full wargame, but they're two sides of the same coin.

If I could finish both, that might also work as an option. But that's a hefty investment. The guard army has the numbers, but lacks a unified theme. Since each infantry unit has a different theme. I have some knock off pretorians, cadians, and conscripts. While challenger tank models are the "main battle tank" (or leman russ proxies in 40k terms).
 
GloryToArztotska said:
Anyone here played Necromunda? What was it like?
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Small scale skirmish game that relies on cover systems and lots of terrain with a table top rpg style progression system, plays a lot different than 40k and has a drop in powerlevel so that weapons like lasguns and autoguns are concidered pretty good weapons rather than trash tier weapons for your chaff units.

Also very conversion friendly.
 
Judge Dredd said:
2. Legion Imperealis
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Have not played LI but I've heard good things. If you're worried about a community and finding people to play with I would definitely look around first. The GW boxes are nice but it should be mentioned that LI and pretty much every other GW 15/10/6mm sized game has tons and tons of 3d printed stuff on etsy that is high quality and much cheaper than GW. However stuff like the GW knights and titans look really great so I would understand the preference.
Judge Dredd said:
HH
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I stopped playing 40k in late 6th/early 7th edition and moved to warhammer fantasy, mordheim, and other games. Started getting in HH before 2e but am diving in head first since plastic Auxilia got announced. Its very marine heavy (though there are decent fan rules that add eldar and orks, among others) but it scratches the itch that old 40k did, 8th - 10th edition have been crunch nightmares in an effort to appeal to the lowest common denominator and the lowest form of life - competitive players. HH 2e is definitely more worried about balance than 1e, but its a game that is still chiefly concerned with narrative and having cool minis on a cool board telling a cool story. The HH contemptor dreads are some of the best models GW have put out, and with some termies and dreads you can have a fully functioning list very quickly and relatively cheaply.
 
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Judge Dredd said:
1. Warhammer Underworld
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They say that AoS is where GW lets the artists flex their stuff, and personally I find that Underworlds exemplifies that but for <=40mm size models. From what I've heard, the people who play it really like it, the hard part is just finding those people. I personally like collecting cool models, so this is my vote
 
@Judge Dredd

Finish your guard army.

Unless youre happy with what you have and expanding the army wont make too much difference to your list building, finish it.

Its better to have 1 whole army rather than a series of half armies.
 
So playing a warlord titan at 2000 points instead of 3500, vs 2000 points of a non competitive imperial knights list, with no objectives or secondaries, on a nearly empty table, deploying as far away from eachother as possible, the knight player got the titan down to 19 wounds before getting tabled. So as expected, dude got to make another low effort boring video to show off his toy that even with everything basically sided in its favor, barely works.
 
Van Darkholme said:
Imagine spending that much on a titan and not even having a dice tray.
Also that lancer was a waste, should've taken another Questoris or a Porpheriyon instead.
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Reality is, a better list would have just been canis rex and a bunch of armiger warglaives on a table with real terrain and at least objectives as the warlord titan wouldn't have had enough weapons to take everything out before being out-scored. Or cutting out the running it at 2000 points bullshit and having the knight player actually take 3500 points of knights but then the titan would have just been tabled in 2 rounds.

The comments are also full of idiots claiming the knight needs 200 wounds, a 2+/3++/4+++ and all sorts of other dumb shit. Simple fact is they were never good, they're never going to be good, and they're a hobby/trophy product that GW doesn't even market. They're not even good as a "2v1 take down the boss mini" type of narrative game because well.. they just die too easily due to volume of fire and don't have enough weapons to retaliate.

Watch him do another video in 6 months where he replaces the power claw with a volcano cannon or something and another "bat rep" since he was bitching about the sueprcharged plasma gun only being strength 12.
 
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