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GW has been putting out complete shit for a while when it comes to Chaos. WE and EC are both pretend armies where need to squint and tell yourself you didn't get suckered in, you get 3 kits that you spam for all eternity and one big miniature who's essentially a retarded superpowered manchild that makes redditors go googoogaagaa because they're in 60 books out of which 2 are okay at best.
 
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While I don't intend to butt in and derail such a long running conversation, I figured the watchers of this thread would be the best to ask. When it comes to W40k games, what are some good ones? I grew up with Dawn of War (1 and later 2, to a degree), but lately I've really been enjoying Armageddon and Sanctus Reach. Any recommendations from there? I prefer games where I'm able to play as the Imperial Guard - the Ork Hunters DLC for Armageddon was my favourite by far.
If youre into modding then Arma 3 has a huge warhammer scene.
 
Couldn't help but notice not one, but four black Space Wolves in the new primaris reveals.

As a semi-professional racist, its nice to see GW leaning into the soft bigotry of low expectations. I mean, what are they trying to say when they portray arguably the most savage and least erudite of the loyalist legions as black? I'm surprised Brother Captain De'Shawn wasn't sculpted with a bone through his nose.
 
While I don't intend to butt in and derail such a long running conversation, I figured the watchers of this thread would be the best to ask. When it comes to W40k games, what are some good ones? I grew up with Dawn of War (1 and later 2, to a degree), but lately I've really been enjoying Armageddon and Sanctus Reach. Any recommendations from there? I prefer games where I'm able to play as the Imperial Guard - the Ork Hunters DLC for Armageddon was my favourite by far.
Mechanicus is very good. It has a flaw of getting easier as you progress, and events not being consistent, but as far as TBS' go it's very good. While not guardsmen, it is possible to build around faceless infantry troops.

Fire Warrior is ...not good, but guard feature heavily as enemies.


Now for some games I've not played, but heard good things about.

There is supposedly an Open Xcom mod that is really good, and I think you can play as guard in it?

I liked Space Marine, but never played Space Marine 2.

Boltgun got hype then seemingly vanished.

There's a sisters of battle game for VR (Battle Sister) that is supposedly average to above average for a VR shooter.


For a guard-like game. Xcom, Halo Wars, Earth Defense Force, and Helldivers might fit the bill. They all focus on "guys with guns vs xenos horrors" to varying degrees. Helldivers and EDF are more comedic action games, Halo Wars is a RTS, and Xcom is a TBS.
 
Mechanicus is very good. It has a flaw of getting easier as you progress, and events not being consistent, but as far as TBS' go it's very good. While not guardsmen, it is possible to build around faceless infantry troops.
Dunno about it getting easier, cause it does love to ramp up some bullshit with those Necron snipers and the big guys, the RNG can really fuck ya up on unlocking new troops.
Fire Warrior is ...not good, but guard feature heavily as enemies.
Well, not THAT heavily, they're like the starting enemies for 3-4 levels I think? After that, you're fighting the Chaos Marines who are bullshit with their mages.
 
Darktide is still shit. It hasn't gotten any better since launch. It's overly complicated for a Left 4 Dead clone, all it's systems are there to create an artificial grind, you can't even select the levels you want to play, and there are no bots.

Space Marine 2 I despised on first playthrough. On a technical level it's atrocious. It runs like ass, it crashes, and it's super barren for content. Multiplayer is only 3 maps total and 2 game modes. No lobby, can't even see everyone's custom Space Marine, no profiles, kill cards, titles or anything. Now I think it's just mediocre. I don't have high expectations for it because the first game wasn't amazing either. You'd think by 2024 we'd be capable of putting out better games, but I guess that's not the case. It's not worth $60, but maybe for $30 yeah it's not bad.

The Adepticon previews seem a bit shit. I don't play chaos but the sentiment seems to be this is the year of chaos, so here's a box set for Space Wolves. Each chaos faction is getting only one model? Did they say there's more to come or does GW really hate you that much? It's strange considering they want to force chaos into everything, but when it comes to the tabletop they seemed to be the middle child. That being said my buddy loves Space Wolves. I think he'd be happy with the box set, even though he doesn't really do much hobbying. The codex would probably be the highlight just for the lore and pictures. My problem is the box set just contains a bunch of regular marines. Aside from some helmet options what differentiates Blood Claws and Grey Hunters from Intercessors and Assault Marines? If it's just the pelts I can buy him a box of regular marines and an upgrade sprue. He likes terminators better anyways.

And just to get it out of the way, crying about culture war just because it's boring is just as spergy. If you really don't care you don't need to chimp out every time someone mentions black space wolves don't make sense. They still hate you. They want you dead. They want to rape your children. They still think it's funny. I get it's a bit derailing but relax.
 
Theres the Civ light Warhammer game thag isnt bad, you can play as Imperial Guard there. But far as games playing Imperial Guardsmen? Id say you only got the DoW, Armageddon and the Civ like game, thats about it.
You mean Gladius? Looks pretty interesting, I'll give that a whirl if I can snag it on a sale... looks like they took inspiration from Paradox Studios as far as the amount and pricing of DLC goes.

Rogue Trader has two Guardsmen archetypes for your background, commander or commissar and you can be from a fortress world or death world. You get plenty of flavour text and dialogue to go with it, so it’s more than just a cosmetic option.
Oh? I'd heard that there were pretty extensive background options, but was never told that there's much in the way of flavour text to go with it. That's pretty great, I like those details. Looks like an interesting game, too.

Everyone really forgot about Darktide the Left 4 Dead 40k game huh (it just got an update)
I did play Darktide back when it released, but wasn't overly taken with it at the time and went back to Vermintide 2. Maybe I should check it out again.

Mechanicus is very good. It has a flaw of getting easier as you progress, and events not being consistent, but as far as TBS' go it's very good. While not guardsmen, it is possible to build around faceless infantry troops.

Fire Warrior is ...not good, but guard feature heavily as enemies.


Now for some games I've not played, but heard good things about.

There is supposedly an Open Xcom mod that is really good, and I think you can play as guard in it?

I liked Space Marine, but never played Space Marine 2.

Boltgun got hype then seemingly vanished.

There's a sisters of battle game for VR (Battle Sister) that is supposedly average to above average for a VR shooter.


For a guard-like game. Xcom, Halo Wars, Earth Defense Force, and Helldivers might fit the bill. They all focus on "guys with guns vs xenos horrors" to varying degrees. Helldivers and EDF are more comedic action games, Halo Wars is a RTS, and Xcom is a TBS.
For all the good things I've heard about Mechanicus, I never tried it. The Adeptus Mechanicus never interested me too much... although the Skitarii could certainly take the role of the Imps.. That XCom mod looks awesome though, thanks for the tip!
 
You mean Gladius? Looks pretty interesting, I'll give that a whirl if I can snag it on a sale... looks like they took inspiration from Paradox Studios as far as the amount and pricing of DLC goes.
I've been playing Gladius a bit actually. Picked it up because it's one of those games that is almost always on sale when any kind of sale is going on. It's a good time killer. I have two complaints though. The neutral NPCs on the map don't fight each other, and don't seem to fight anyone but you. I even played a team game with two friends of mine and they all exclusively attacked me. The neutral mobs are stronger, and more plentiful, and I genuinely don't know what the game expects you to do about them. Mind slavers are the worst because they have an ability to mind control any of your units permanently, until you kill the slaver. Their ability is on a 3 turn cooldown, and there's nothing you can do to interrupt it. They steal your unit and then run away. Very fun. Also movement is not like civ where you get an allowance and can keep moving until you're out. You are allowed to move once, and only once, whether you use all of your movement or not. This puts you in awkward positions where if you want to move forward you either need to tip toe every turn, or charge head first into the unknown, only to discover you just ran face first into an army of neutral mobs.
 
Looks pretty interesting, I'll give that a whirl if I can snag it on a sale... looks like they took inspiration from Paradox Studios as far as the amount and pricing of DLC goes.
It's available on GoG so you can pirate it and try it for free. Alternatively if you don't like their DLC bollocks (and you shouldn't because it is bollocks) you can get the basegame on Steam and then use CreamAPI to unlock DLC for free.
 
I did play Darktide back when it released, but wasn't overly taken with it at the time and went back to Vermintide 2. Maybe I should check it out again.
I've played it on and off since launch and I can confidently say it's just MORE at this stage. All the good parts have gotten better but all the bad parts have remained.

The overall gameplay is excellent, combat is satisfying, there are now more and varied missions, build and weapon variety are great now, there are heaps of cosmetics if you wanna play FashionTide (pick a Guard regiment) and there are lots of players at every difficulty.

However, the cosmetic microtransaction store is still there. They have Vostroyan Firstborn skins atm, they look amazing but they're expensive and you have to buy shitty in-game currency with real money to do it, and it's designed so you're always left with loose change so you want to buy more. I heard they might be moving away from the in-game currency but let's wait and see, FatShark are greedy jews so I'm cynical about this.

As I said, it's just MORE of what it already was at this point. I enjoy it though, I have 270-ish hours on it and I'm not really a huge gamer so it's kept me hooked.
 
Dunno about it getting easier, cause it does love to ramp up some bullshit with those Necron snipers and the big guys, the RNG can really fuck ya up on unlocking new troops.

Well, not THAT heavily, they're like the starting enemies for 3-4 levels I think? After that, you're fighting the Chaos Marines who are bullshit with their mages.
Mechanicus is a very good game but the difficulty is indeed all frontloaded when you lack options. (Doubly so with DLC because they force bullshit fights on you before you enter easy mode). Necrons may get new toys now and again but they really pale compared to the utter bullshit your tech priests can shit out once you levelled them out some.
 
Another game I played but never finished was Necromunda: Hired Gun.

It borrows way too much from Doom Eternal to be much fun for me.

I simply don't have the twitch reflexes and reaction speed to be any good at a game that fast-paced.
 
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No lobby, can't even see everyone's custom Space Marine, no profiles, kill cards, titles or anything. Now I think it's just mediocre. I don't have high expectations for it because the first game wasn't amazing either. You'd think by 2024 we'd be capable of putting out better games, but I guess that's not the case. It's not worth $60, but maybe for $30 yeah it's not bad.
the host's ship is the lobby, you can see the armor there, in the shuttle and obviously on the ground. otherwise it makes no sense selling cosmetics (so far being the only thing paid, maps and modes are free).
didn't crash for me either, only here and there after a patch which I think was fixed pretty fast.

it's also a singleplayer game with tacked on multiplayer, not purpose-made GAAS slop (that probably comes with SM3)
 
For me with mechanicus it’s the level up system. Whenever I upgraded the tech priests I felt like I had no idea what I was doing or what to expect further down the line. I kind of have no idea what to really do or upgrade. XCOM was at least straight forward even if I do end up with a squad that’s just heavy gunners and snipers

Rogue Trader was kind of like that too where leveling up didn’t give me an idea but you could reroll things so I didn’t mind it too much
 
it's also a singleplayer game with tacked on multiplayer,
I'd say it's a co-op game with shitty pvp and a horribly balanced solo option.

Not to mention the bare bones combat with zero build variety, and arbitrary restrictions on customization and loadouts(cuz muh lore and balance in a game full of lore and balance inconsistencies).
 
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Admech patrol in progress, along with some Orks for the wife. She had a paint scheme going on for the middle guy but ended up hating it so we stripped it.
Just got done priming this bunch, about to make a day of painting.
Anyone know of a good dedicated primer for miniatures?
I just mix up my own grey to spray as a base, and it works fine, but surely there has to be a primer that's more than just grey acrylic paint.
 
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Admech patrol in progress, along with some Orks for the wife. She had a paint scheme going on for the middle guy but ended up hating it so we stripped it.
Just got done priming this bunch, about to make a day of painting.
Anyone know of a good dedicated primer for miniatures?
I just mix up my own grey to spray as a base, and it works fine, but surely there has to be a primer that's more than just grey acrylic paint.
Color Forge primers are quite good and if you have access to the army painter primers they colour match the regular acrylics they have available. If you're priming through airbrush there's always AK or Vallejo primers.
 
For me with mechanicus it’s the level up system. Whenever I upgraded the tech priests I felt like I had no idea what I was doing or what to expect further down the line. I kind of have no idea what to really do or upgrade.
I don't see how. The game is explicit with what each tree does. One genrates CP, one is about buffing troops, one is about ranged attacks, another is about melee attacks, etc.

Though this goes back to difficulty being front loaded. Healing is required early on as you don't have much HP or armour and have to rely on servitors to tank. Late game CP generation is your friend. And at all levels direct combats skills are powerful. With the DLC you tech preists can become broken with guaranteed crits.



Got some painting done. Did some practice painting and test schemes. No pictures to share, and I was working with only a beginner paint set as I've been unable to get to a model shop to buy extra stuff (and I'm not buying Citadel).

Paints smell different these days.

I'm in a bit of a predicament. I'm tempted to go Raptors for marines, and olive drab with off-black armour for guard. But for Kill Team, the enemy is Death Guard, so it might not be the best option? I could go Ultramarines for Kill Team as it's only 7 models. Those heroes sculps are very nice, so I almost don't want to ruin them with my beginner level paint job.


Anyone know of a good dedicated primer for miniatures?
I just mix up my own grey to spray as a base, and it works fine, but surely there has to be a primer that's more than just grey acrylic paint.
I used a can of Rustolium primer from a local cheap shop. Is grey, matt, and does the job perfectly fine.

I've not tried other primers, but I want to try Army Painter sprays. My plan is to get "army green" and use that to get through armies quickly. But they have a range of common colours.
 
Anyone know of a good dedicated primer for miniatures?

If we're talking airbrush and not rattle can, Vallejo German Panzer Grey primer has always been my go-to. You might think that its black by looking at the bottle, but its a nice deep dark grey with a satin finish. It makes layering up more translucent colours a little easier because its not a pure black.
 
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