Warhammer 40k

[Spilled Spaghett]

Any recommendations for novels by this Chris Wraight guy? I need a new book to pick up.

 

[Male Idiot]

Bad batch? Filoni will be writing for the Space Wolves if ever the Disney gravy train does stop, won't he? With a teenage inquisitor with 2 power swords reverse gripped like a dildo?

He would fit right in with GW.

 

[p1138]

Any recommendations for novels by this Chris Wraight guy? I need a new book to pick up.

Valdor, Watchers of the Throne and Vaults of Terra all give great glimpses into "normal" life on terra both in 30k(pre crusade, end of unification war) and in 40k as well as what happens when the shit hits the fan, sisters of silence, etc.

His White Scars books actually cover things like the Council of Nikaea, founding of the librarius, legions interacting with eachother, how a loyalist primarch with a functioning brain can act reasonably during the heresy. Basically he provides a lot of lore for the white scars and their interactions that had largely been ignored or treated purely as memes previously.

Couldn't tell you about the Space Wolf stuff at all, but people seem to like that as well.

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Chris_Wraight

Considering how harsh 1d6chan can be about BL authors, they don't have any bitching to do about Chris Wraight and their summaries for at least the stuff I've read are accurate.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Black Library has made the lore of Warhammer immeasurably worse. It was much better when it was confined to snippets in White Dwarf, rulebooks and codices/army lists. It played into the unreliable narrator aspect better and allowed for more creative freedom, both for the creators of the games and the players.

I'll take a "Floating Gardens of Bahb-Elonn" over a dozen trash novels that give mid-authors a soap box for their hang-ups.

 

[regalterry]

Any recommendations for novels by this Chris Wraight guy?

I really liked his Vaults of Terra books - they follow a duo of, Inquisitor and Interrogator - one old and bitter, pretty much going through the motions, and one young and new, very zealous.

The trilogy is really about Crowl being born again in the religious sense. His speech at the end of the third book has to be my favorite moment in any BL book to date.

 

[augment]

I don't really care about Aaron Dembski-Bowden enough to roll into a fit of rage. To me he's just another autheur shoving his finger into an already tampered cauldron soup of melangiated lore, stories, contradictions and redundancies. The thing that Rage Grifters latch on to is his support of Current Year stuff like femstodes, or writing strong-womyn into every possible position that isn't an established character. And that he seems to genuinely hate the god-emperor for purported personal reasons.
It's the same thing that happened to Ward years ago with his idiotic codices and they way he propped up the Ultramarines. That stuff was bad, but not "oh I'm gonna send you a death threat" bad at all.

I would much rather see Robin Cruddace take an extended leave from writing datasheets and rules because my god, has the game turned into a joyless disastrous rigmarole.

 

[p1138]

It's the same thing that happened to Ward years ago with his idiotic codices and they way he propped up the Ultramarines. That stuff was bad not in no way "oh I'm gonna send you a death threat" bad.

Ward has stated in an interview a year or so back that his favorite chapter is Imperial Fists. The reason I think this matters, is he likely was just following a directive from upper management but made it so fucking over the top it made everyone hate the ultramarines for years, which if you consider he's an IF fan, would be fitting.

Strangely enough he also said that he didn't get any death threats or anything like that either at the time, and it isn't like he's got a reason to lie about that(or at least never got anything directly and had the testicular fortitude to ignore dumb shit said online). I'll see if I can find it, it was actually interesting.

edit: Well ok that was fast

Gotta get them hooked early.

That's actually a program they've had for a few years now, even in the US.

 

[Humble Architect]

Any recommendations for novels by this Chris Wraight guy? I need a new book to pick up.

The HH White Scars stuff, with Path of Heaven being the highlight (avoid the audiobooks), anything with him writing the Death Guard, the short stories like “Daemonology,” Buried Dagger is great for the moment Mortarion breaks and in culmination of the novel’s flashbacks, it shows every moment he has bowed to a “father” he hated, the alien necromancer, the Emperor and the fat, disgusting face that the “stars” have reshaped into and Mortarion resigns himself to being a slave.

Lords of Silence is the best showing of the 40k Death Guard.

Wraight also has the honor of fixing Abnett’s incompetence. Eidolon, under Abnett’s pen was comically pompous and arrogant, incompetent and utterly unbelievable as a Lord Commander when compared to say, Julius, who was also arrogant but wasn’t……. Lord Farquad levels of inept.

McNeil brings back Eidolon and Wraight, in the short stories and later, Path of Heaven and The Soul, Severed makes him into the best EC character.

Then? Abnett gets ahold of Eidolon for his Siege of Terra finale and just like every other character, he reverts them to their characterization from the start, from “his novels,” he was so lazy, he didn’t even look up Eidolon’s model and know HE WIELDS A HAMMER

Wraight has a gift for repairing characters, taking inconsistent characterizations and mending them, Mortarion and Eidolon are his two biggest achievements and I think that’s why he made them get along so well.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Starting with Lords of Silence and will report back later. Thanks for the suggestions.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Something like Custodes, or even a lesser extent Space Marines, do work because they don't require special rules to make it on the table. Elite armies always have a trade off of losing maneuverability for consistency. Even if your Elite units are really fast, if you are limited in how many you bring you can't be everywhere at once. While 2+ on everything is the most consistent, it still means when something goes wrong it goes catastrophically wrong. A failed charge on some chaff is not a big deal. A failed charge on a 200pt unit means you probably don't have a back up plan. Being out of position is even more punishing. Every failed save and every miss hurts a bit more. They can be balanced, but the reason people don't like them is because people like a death match. I know points win games, it's a strategy game, but at the end of the day what people actually care about is killing models. Armies like custodes mean only one person is really allowed to kill models. To win the other player is expected to out maneuver, and out score them. This is easy enough to balance by point costing units properly so that both armies have a similar damage output/survivability, but people don't want that. They want to sweep models off the board. That's why game have gotten bigger over time.

Here's a simple solution make the tabletop reflect the actual loye of the game I know it's novel concept.
Or have an elite different game for things like Imperial Knights Titans undiant walkers you could call them let's say apocalypse style games where the massive military conflicts.
I still hate how they got rid of battle fleet Gothi

 

[p1138]

Here's a simple solution make the tabletop reflect the actual loye of the game I know it's novel concept.

The lore itself is an inconsistent mess. Which part of the lore do you follow? Where a custodian loses a 1v1 to an iron warrior? Or where an interrogator(not even inquisitor) can stand in a fight against a space marine? Or needing thousands of guardsmen on the tabletop while one can solo a space marine no problem with a melta?

And that doesn't even consider that the game uses a d6, where a scale of anything working needs to be represented on a 2-6 so a custodian hits on a 2, a space marine hits on a 3, a guardsman hits on a 4, and an ork on a 5? Where do you fit something else into any of that with so few degrees of separation available?

And then apocalypse games? Most people will never play an apocalypse game and even when GW has tried to promote apocalypse, it still fails because most people either don't have the model counts, the space, or the time for that shit.

 

[Muad'Dick]

The lore itself is an inconsistent mess. Which part of the lore do you follow? Where a custodian loses a 1v1 to an iron warrior? Or where an interrogator(not even inquisitor) can stand in a fight against a space marine? Or needing thousands of guardsmen on the tabletop while one can solo a space marine no problem with a melta?

Most tabletop games suffer from the "arrow in the eye" problem, but its really blown out of proportion in 40K when you start to consider the lore. Especially when you apply it to the kind of scale 40K is pitched at. I've always maintained that if you want to play a battle with more than 4 squads per side you're better off just playing it epic scale.

You have superhumans with reflexes far faster than a normal human, with augmented senses, encased in armour that can shrug off las rifle and small arms fire, but when they're on the tabletop they can (and often do) fall to the likes of chaos cultists, splinter rifles and grots with glorified flintlocks. Thats before you get into the clusterfuck that is melee combat.

There isn't a palatable fix for this from a rules perspective (is anyone going to consult a table in modern 40K?), but if the writing wasn't so retarded to begin with you wouldn't have the disconnect between game and lore in the first place.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

I still hate how they got rid of battle fleet Gothi

A system is as dead as its players. Battlefleet Gothic had more gaming presence at the recent Adepticon than Trench Crusade, despite having been abandoned for fifteen years.

 

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A system is as dead as its players. Battlefleet Gothic had more gaming presence at the recent Adepticon than Trench Crusade, despite having been abandoned for fifteen years.

Isn't OPR making a Battlefleet Gothic like ruleset?

... I wonder why more people don't just sell their "totally not space marines" 3d prints as being for the OPR ruleset, actually. It would be a valid defense against GW's lawyers, yeah? "These aren't Space Marine proxies, they're miniatures for the I Can't Believe It's Not Astartes factions for Grimdark Future."

 

[Judge Dredd]

unlike that mohawked retard who did the Lelith novel and put Sargon into 40k

As in YouTuber Sargon of Akkad? As in, Lotus Eaters and Sargon of Applebees guy? Why? How?

Here's a simple solution make the tabletop reflect the actual loye of the game I know it's novel concept.

Or better yet, make the lore reflect tabletop.

Mini rant, but something I've learned over years of trying to get into Battletech/Mechwarrior after hearing decades of nostalgic praise followed by constant bitching, is that wargames of the 80s and 90s made a loose, bare-bones setting to justify infinite tabletop games where your guys and other players guys can co-exist without destroying canon. Then so many novels meant to inspire more toy soldier games grew and grew until it became an impenetrable mess where continuity lawyers will sperg out because in novel 539 on page 75 clearly states that green lenses on scopes don't exist so your army is invalid.

40k very much has this problem. It's why Custodes are such a flawed faction because they're very limited and specific.

ADB insists on pushing the “muh freedom fighters” narrative onto CSM and Abaddon, rather than the heavy metal, over the top evil space knights that literally everyone who likes them knows and loves. He will always, have a squad of quirky yet likeable diverse MCs with a token human woman who is treated as an equal. If that sounds like that awful Bad Batch show, you’d be correct.

And personally, I wouldn't have a problem with this. I have retarded lore for my own guys. The difference is I'm not trying to make Dredd's I Can't Believe It's Not Starship Troopers GW canon. And even if I did, I'd want it to be a background thing like the Badab War chapters where it's a paint scheme and half a paragraph of backstory.

And fuck it, let's beat a dead horse. I never liked the "Imperium are bad guys and fascists" bullshit. Yeah, it's a fun hypothetical or one off interpretation. But it really gets away from the spirit of the faction imo.

 

[East_Clintwood]

As in YouTuber Sargon of Akkad? As in, Lotus Eaters and Sargon of Applebees guy

Yes

Why?

Because he's a turbo faggot

How?

 

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As in YouTuber Sargon of Akkad? As in, Lotus Eaters and Sargon of Applebees guy? Why? How?

They were assmad about him so they made him a gang leader crossed with a noise marine or somesuch shit. In typical soycuck fashion they accidentally made him badass as hell.

 

[p1138]

They were assmad about him so they made him a gang leader crossed with a noise marine or somesuch shit. In typical soycuck fashion they accidentally made him badass as hell.

Basically example #674,793,451 of "the left can't meme". Immediately after that came out I heard some people trying to claim it was false and not actually printed in the book, but because no one actually bothers reading Necromunda novels, it's hard to even find a copy to confirm it.

edit: Nvm, found a copy and yeah the dumbshit wrote Sargon of Applebees into 40k.

 

[Judge Holden]

Ok so random 40k theory that came to me while on the shitter.

You know how the Orks have their own unique gestalt psychic WAAAGH wavelength that while linked to muh Warp is effectively (if not completely) unhackable by Chaos and renders the average Ork surprisingly resistant to Chaos corruption? Well I was listening to a mixed lore/theory slop playist and it occurred to me, what if that shit is exactly what the Tau have going for them in their own gayass space commie way?

Basically the Tau Ethereals have since the getgo been dangled as maybe/maybe not psykers who effectively mind control the rest of the species and somehow "inspired" extremely rapid advancements in tech and science by their mere presence, however the lore repeats over and over again that they don't give off any signals of actually being psykers by Human or Eldar standards.

So my little shitter-birthed theory is that by random chance or Eldar/Necron/Zoat/Jokaero design they have their own low level psychic gestalt harnessed by the Ethereal subspecies much like Weirdboyz, that is more of a general "everyone work together for the greater good, you will own nothing and be happy, oh yeah and don't ask questions" buff than the swole gains and specific "go on a giant fucking murder spree lol" vibes of WAAAGH, which is what has allowed them to catch up to the rest of the setting so fast while also not being corrupted or kerbstomped by Warp shit as quickly and painfully as one might expect a naive zero psychic species.

Plus this would actually fucking explain the fact that a straight up Tau goddess exists in the Warp that is seemingly capable of kicking Chaos in the dick and offering tangible protection to the Tau who get stranded there, rather than the handwave of it being because of the relatively tiny number of Tau aligned humans randomly sharting her into existence by praying to the Greater Good for a couple centuries tops. Think of it as a mix between Gork/Mork and an Imperial Living Saint.

Speaking of which, I am pretty fuckin sure that the Imperial cult and Emprah worship is humanity's nascent version of this hypothetical "racial psychic gestalt" and that the Sororitas are straight up the closest shit humanity in the setting has to Orks given how tangibly they manifest it for killing shit on the regular.

And fuck it, let's beat a dead horse. I never liked the "Imperium are bad guys and fascists" bullshit. Yeah, it's a fun hypothetical or one off interpretation. But it really gets away from the spirit of the faction imo.

I have probably said it before, but frankly for me the setting works best when you look at it from the mindset of "each faction is insane/evil in their own unique way....and each faction has extremely fucking good reason to be like this and has learned from bitter experience not to rock the boat"

Sure the Imperium is an authoritarian and superstitious shithole, but given just how fucked the universe is and how many nightmare hell wars they are fighting in any given microsecond against external threats, internal threats, and an ever growing ensemble of extra dimensional lovecraftian fuckers, their policies of fanatically squeezing every last drop of resource from the masses while enforcing ultra draconian tyranny and allowing all manner of lower level inefficiencies and corruptions to fester and having an extreme "kill everything in sight first, then kill the nigger who asks questions later" attitude are by far lesser evils compared to risking shit falling apart, given just what kind of monsters would have free reign to enact a figurative and/or literal rape train on every single human world should the Imperium be seriously weakened through the front lines breaking or through internal division and mutiny or even through some random warp/xenos corruption metastasizing because Inquisitor Obama Shylock Trudeau decided it would be a little excessive to phosphex bomb the local orphanage after Death Guard Captain Poo'gor the Stinky laid a sentient turd on its front doorstep.

EDIT:

Yes


Because he's a turbo faggot



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Nigga how could you leave out the most important fact?

The turbo faggot wrote evil hatemonger "Sarkon Aggad" to be effortlessly slaughtered by a stunningly brave and sexy they/them troon.

Check muh pronouns in the excerpts you linked.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

And fuck it, let's beat a dead horse. I never liked the "Imperium are bad guys and fascists" bullshit. Yeah, it's a fun hypothetical or one off interpretation. But it really gets away from the spirit of the faction imo.

One problem with that Rick Priestley the original creator whose words matter much more than the homosexual currently ruining 40K literally said that most of the imperiums actions or 100 per cent justified because of the world they find themselves in and no it was never meant as satire of anything