Warhammer 40k

[Edward "Caesar" Sallow]

Are they just trying to make everyone play Horus Heresy by making space marines so bland and horrible?

This is how they got me, so yes.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Hm, with the 70% off coupon FOMO is setting in hard. I'm wondering if their I Can't Believe It's Not Eldar or their I Can't Believe It's Not Squats sets are worth picking up and would work as decent proxies on a 40k table.

Ninja Edit: Looks like the ICBIN Eldar work really good for them, having available released equivalents across the board. ICBIN Squats too. They're basically buy 1 get 2 free for the kits with the current discount, so ~85ish for a full army.

ICBIN Sisters of Battle have have equivalents for everything too (and add Sisters on Bikes, heh.)

Sadly, they don't currently have any I Can't Believe It's Not Harlequins or I Can't Believe It's Not AdMech miniatures released.

That wiki is hella useful though because it doesn't just show the equivalencies to GW minis, but also other manufactuerers. For example, Their I Can't Believe It's Not Custodes page introduces you to DivergingRealm, who does a full Not-Custodes range.

Their not-Squats are great because they're more traditional sci fi dwarf and their army gameplay wise is actually a finished roster unlike Votann

On the fantasy side i also really dig their clockwork faction the duchies of vinci, they also all print really well out of the box with their supports.

 

[Lady Adjani]

How does one get a hold of (ideally free) FDM-printable WH stuff? I did a quick search of some of the major sites and the files either get taken down or are intentionally named in a goofy way in order to avoid detection.

The bambu app has a few models, but it's mostly limited to the very basic space marines and some dreadnaughts..

 

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How does one get a hold of (ideally free) FDM-printable WH stuff? I did a quick search of some of the major sites and the files either get taken down or are intentionally named in a goofy way in order to avoid detection.

The bambu app has a few models, but it's mostly limited to the very basic space marines and some dreadnaughts..

All the STL trading stuff I know of is on Telegram nowadays. Cults3D is the place most of the people I follow use. MMF too, but MMF seems to be more heavily regulated (I think Cults3D is based out of Russia and they give the scientifically minimalist amount of fucks about GW). The trick with Cults is users can upload files as a "secret" file and they don't appear in searches or direct links unless you follow the user. So you follow the user, they upload / reupload / etc their secret files periodically, you get an email, and can access it.

 

[ZMOT]

You'd think the Chapterhouse lawsuit would have freaked them out into some form of reforms, but it didn't.

it did, now you got primaris and drukathi/aeldari

I Can't Believe It's Not Harlequins

https://www.heroesinfinite.com/arcadian-elves-2

I Can't Believe It's Not AdMech

https://www.cgtrader.com/search?keywords=dark+techno

(might have print issues, check the STLs)

This isn't counting the 10% coupon code for being a patreon supporter nor the 70% coupon code off anything not part of this special event nor the 5% coupon you get if you asked to be notified of it's launch, heh.

are you sure those stack?

How does one get a hold of (ideally free) FDM-printable WH stuff? I did a quick search of some of the major sites and the files either get taken down or are intentionally named in a goofy way in order to avoid detection.

printing minis with FDM is possible, but considering the time/effort not really worth it. terrain on the other hand...
just look for "gothic ruins" etc, GW can't claim copyright on that.

 

[Penne Dreadful]

https://www.heroesinfinite.com/arcadian-elves-2

Always impressed that Raging Heroes managed to suppress their raging Frenchness for long enough to design some non-coomer ranges. I like their Asurmen and Baharroth in particular, although the latter was outdone by GW's official refresh.

 

[iceteayo]

I'll always get a kick out of reading how normal humans react when a Space Marine comes baring down on them. The pure terror and dread, and the complete futility of whatever they try to do to save themselves always gets a solid chuckle outta me.
I mean what else can you do other than shit yourself and at least TRY to fight back? The 8 foot tall demigod is gonna brutalize you anyway, may as well die attempting to resist.

Going ahead and snagging the other two books in the series. Anyone got any recs? Not particularly picky, considering I started this NL series blind on a whim. Except the Wolves. Would really rather avoid any of their shit unless it's just really worthwhile.

Do you like White Scars? Try their Horus heresy book arc.

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Unlike a GW Codex, it's 83 pages of art and fiction about the Eternal Dynasty, with the rules still being separate. This is actually brilliant as it means the Codex won't be literal trash in a few years once it gets replaced with a new version with new rules. (My FLGS owner has a nice frothy rant about this if you ask him, having had to throw out a shitload of GW codexes over the years.)

This is exactly what I've been saying GW needs to do. There is no point in putting any rules in print if they will change before the edition is over. Even if GW charged me say $10 for access to codex rules on their app I'd pay it. Their Warhammer+ subscription should unlock everything for you while you have a sub. I accept that GW will cost a premium, and they can't/wont put out free rules, but I find it hard to believe that it's actually cheaper to produce and sell physical books for $60 instead of a digital code for $10.

OPR's been doing really well lately, and I hope we continue to see more from them. Any amount of competition is good no matter how small. The only thing keeping me from getting excited is I'm not a big fan of Eternal Dynasty. I think their aesthetic is half good. Their soldiers and cyber beasts are cool. The battlesuits, their boat tanks look ass. The lore is basically Necrons without the whole robot zombie thing. All the names are unpronounceable fake Chinese that makes my brain instantly switch off. I don't care how good their lore may be, if I can't put a name to anything then I can't engage with your lore. Dao Union is more traditional T'au anyways.

Also why do you play one-page rules instead of playing an older edition did you enter the hobby 8th, 9th or current?

One-Page Rules offers a different experience than Warhammer ever provided. Yeah a lot of people pick it up just because fuck GW, but it's a very simple and customizable system. Games are quick to set up and play. Rules are free so if you want to pick it up there's no investment. Unlike older editions OPR has not been abandoned and does receive updates. 40k 5th ed will always be the same. Best of all it uses alternating activations. While AA is not a perfect system either, I find it much preferable to I Go You Go. IGYG tends to alleviate stalling, or padding activation count, but AA avoids snowballing since you don't get to shoot with every gun in your army before your opponent is allowed to respond.

 

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This is exactly what I've been saying GW needs to do. There is no point in putting any rules in print if they will change before the edition is over. Even if GW charged me say $10 for access to codex rules on their app I'd pay it. Their Warhammer+ subscription should unlock everything for you while you have a sub. I accept that GW will cost a premium, and they can't/wont put out free rules, but I find it hard to believe that it's actually cheaper to produce and sell physical books for $60 instead of a digital code for $10.

The last time I was in my FLGS, the owner was ranting about codexes (seriously he has to throw out several thousand dollars worth every edition, since GW requires he stock them to get a discount from them and does not offer refunds for unsold ones), he said part of GW's business model might be the same thing that Marvel does by having just so much random shit.

It doesn't sell, but by forcing stores to stock it -- much like FLGS and GW, Comic shops have to stock a ton of Marvel if they get Marvel -- it pushes everything else off the shelves.

A store that stocks GW stuff has to stock every single new thing GW puts out as it's put out or they lose their discounts, even if they don't sell. By doing so, the "GW section" takes up as much space as his entire TTRPG section combined, and that's with him using a storage shed in the back to store some of the GW stuff.

 

[Atypical Dog]

It doesn't sell, but by forcing stores to stock it -- much like FLGS and GW, Comic shops have to stock a ton of Marvel if they get Marvel -- it pushes everything else off the shelves.

The shop shelf broke before the GW inventory did.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Going ahead and snagging the other two books in the series. Anyone got any recs? Not particularly picky, considering I started this NL series blind on a whim. Except the Wolves. Would really rather avoid any of their shit unless it's just really worthwhile.

Justin Hills Katie a series is pretty good I generally skipped a second book it's kind of boring it's kind of interesting but it's also kind of boring.

All of Peter Favreau's books are technically interconnected but you can read him in any order really firecast is personally my favorite because Peter Ferrari comes up with a single coolest regiments.
The Confederates.
As well as a regiment that literally transports massive battleships to ocean war to fight and engages in massive salvo's with enemy warships.

He also has the more interesting take on chaos instead of being something that's always surrounding you it's something that's more creeping and just a general sense of corruption and wrongness about something and people

 

[AncientPhosphur]

If you can get hold of a copy of Salvation, that novel is a banger when it comes to laying the groundwork for the game.

Read it. Some good moments but in the end I felt kind of under impressed by it. I assume there’s more around it as an everyone just dies at the end in a 5d underwater chess move for a gang to get back its contract. I knew enough of the gang lore just browsing the model range, but it left me with “that’s it?” between fights. Exploring the underhive was interesting at least.

But… I feel like any decent guard regiment could put down the gangs easily (except for the Delaque gang which feels insanely overpowered more so than Alpha Legion). I wouldn’t mind seeing a detective series exploring the setting.

 

[Mr Clark]

The last time I was in my FLGS, the owner was ranting about codexes (seriously he has to throw out several thousand dollars worth every edition, since GW requires he stock them to get a discount from them and does not offer refunds for unsold ones), he said part of GW's business model might be the same thing that Marvel does by having just so much random shit.

It doesn't sell, but by forcing stores to stock it -- much like FLGS and GW, Comic shops have to stock a ton of Marvel if they get Marvel -- it pushes everything else off the shelves.

A store that stocks GW stuff has to stock every single new thing GW puts out as it's put out or they lose their discounts, even if they don't sell. By doing so, the "GW section" takes up as much space as his entire TTRPG section combined, and that's with him using a storage shed in the back to store some of the GW stuff.

From my understanding, they sell things in batches or tiers.

Citadel paints are sold in batch 1, 2 and 3. You cant curate the paints to your liking and it includes a lot of metallics and contrasts locked behind batch 2 and 3.

I assume its the same with the rest of their products and that a certain batch or tier includes army codex, cards etc. One place I go to doesnt have any of that and yet has a decent model range.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Back on my I want I want to like Necromunda because I enjoy small unit warfare tabletop but the whole gang warfare thing seems so… bleh for 40K mentally. Probably just my Dark Heresy playthroughs bleeding through but mentally I feel like playing as some gang bumping off rivals is so uninspiring to play. Like so what you’re offing a rival gang for a pair of space Jordans? Just as an escapist fantasy I’m held back by that.

Gorka Morka. I regretted buying it at the time, but in hindsight having first hand experience with it (and only playing, like, two games of it), it's been fun to know about. Especially if you like the goofy side of orc culture.

Necromunda feels like a remnant of 1st where space marines were space cops or some nonsense.

It's of their I Can't Believe it's Not Tau faction, Eternal Dynasty. (I guess they split the Tau into two factions, one an alien weeaboo faction, Eternal Dynasty, the other a communist post-scarcity faction currently suffering from the indignity of having their AI network crash leaving them stuck having to actually make decisions for themselves and work for a living, the Dao Union.)

This is strange to me. I think they did it because they didn't understand Tau were supposed to be space Japan. Since all the other OPR factions are thing from 40k, fantasy armies that never got the sci-fi treatment, and armies from other games (supposedly Rebel Guerillas are from some Mantic game?).

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

A store that stocks GW stuff has to stock every single new thing GW puts out as it's put out or they lose their discounts, even if they don't sell. By doing so, the "GW section" takes up as much space as his entire TTRPG section combined, and that's with him using a storage shed in the back to store some of the GW stuff.

I feel bad for FLGs because Warhammer seems cancerous to any business. Product doesn't just become outdated it becomes obsolete and unsellable. The shelf space required is massive if you consider stocking even a portion of kits. Actual model kits are not big movers since once you own a couple boxes of Space Marines you never have to buy them again. Paint and brushes are what keeps bringing people back. Good luck keeping black/white in stock though because that's what most people want. Unless you're willing to keep batch ordering a bunch of odd colors that wont sell you're going to have a hard time getting in what does. Then of course your customers are going to expect somewhere to use the models they invested hundreds of dollars into. Each player takes up a shit ton of room. They need a big table and lots of terrain to go with it. Worst of all they need time. Depending on how experienced they are these are people hanging around your shop for a whole afternoon/evening. Even if you have a healthy customer base how the hell do you make money off it?

 

[augment]

since once you own a couple boxes of Space Marines you never have to buy them again.

If GW miniatures weren't priced to hell the way they are now, I would buy different space marines to have and to paint differently. But that's not how GW sees it, they see it like this quote mentions, "once the box is purchased we're never again making that sale, might as well price this shit up to offset the production", and thus buying tiny plastic soldiers becomes this humongous investment, ala picking your first car, instead of a frivolous hobby purchase that you can repeat, as it happens with every other kit building hobby that isn't trains.

 

[Lady Adjani]

printing minis with FDM is possible, but considering the time/effort not really worth it. terrain on the other hand...
just look for "gothic ruins" etc, GW can't claim copyright on that.

It just takes a really long time. As much as I want to get into resin printing, I have no desire to inhale toxic fumes or deal with the clean up.

 

[Snekposter]

If GW miniatures weren't priced to hell the way they are now, I would buy different space marines to have and to paint differently. But that's not how GW sees it, they see it like this quote mentions, "once the box is purchased we're never again making that sale, might as well price this shit up to offset the production", and thus buying tiny plastic soldiers becomes this humongous investment, ala picking your first car, instead of a frivolous hobby purchase that you can repeat, as it happens with every other kit building hobby that isn't trains.

Meanwhile in BattleTech: "I bought five mechs the other day just to have because they looked good and now I have forty."

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

If GW miniatures weren't priced to hell the way they are now, I would buy different space marines to have and to paint differently. But that's not how GW sees it, they see it like this quote mentions, "once the box is purchased we're never again making that sale, might as well price this shit up to offset the production", and thus buying tiny plastic soldiers becomes this humongous investment, ala picking your first car, instead of a frivolous hobby purchase that you can repeat, as it happens with every other kit building hobby that isn't trains.

It's kind of insane that this isn't the model they go for. Even if you assume that the real money is in paints and tools you still need models for people to use them on, so why not encourage repeat purchases to drive recurring sales of other product? I would love to buy more fire warriors or crisis suits just to practice. I'd feel more comfortable trying new painting techniques if I wasn't so afraid of messing up a model. I know paint can be stripped or painted over, but layering all kinds of paint on top of each other isn't ideal and eventually clogs up detail. Stripping paint is a hassle. I'd rather give GW some money for more models than buying a ton of alcohol or Simple Green. GW really are their own worst enemy here by self-sabotaging their own sales.

 

[p1138]

It's kind of insane that this isn't the model they go for. Even if you assume that the real money is in paints and tools you still need models for people to use them on, so why not encourage repeat purchases to drive recurring sales of other product? I would love to buy more fire warriors or crisis suits just to practice. I'd feel more comfortable trying new painting techniques if I wasn't so afraid of messing up a model. I know paint can be stripped or painted over, but layering all kinds of paint on top of each other isn't ideal and eventually clogs up detail. Stripping paint is a hassle. I'd rather give GW some money for more models than buying a ton of alcohol or Simple Green. GW really are their own worst enemy here by self-sabotaging their own sales.

Stripping paint is easy unless you're using some weird paint. Anything from Citadel, AK, Vallejo, Army Painter, etc will come off with a dollar store toothbrush and a 2 minute soak in a bottle of LA Totally Awesome(also from the dollar store) and just use a plastic tub from... the dollar store.

With GW's existing pricing model, they're selling you $1 worth of plastic in a $200+ box and they do it in enough quantity to easily make up for the cost of new molds, and even stuff that doesn't sell well is more than made up for with space marine sales basically subsidizing them. Additionally, GW is building a huge new factory in the UK next to their existing factories because they can't keep up with production while 2/3 of the current generic space marine product range is out of stock on the UK website. They aren't hurting for sales while still maintaining a 40% margin and buying the new factory with cash on hand after doing the same with a new distribution center a couple years back(so no debt involved).

Hilariously the tariffs benefit GW as it's pricing recasters out of doing business in the US and a couple have just stopped entirely because the US was so much of their business.