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Well Pert more than anything was lonely but made himself completely unloveable and unlikeable. As with most guys who have Pert’s complex, it sucks that you’re suffering but if you’re doing it in silence and being a world-class cunt in the process, how is anyone supposed to know?

It’s telling that Fulgrim at the apex of egomania and murder attempt even seemed to feel bad for the big guy, once he saw inside his head.
I liked how his foster sister called him on that and absolutely dismantled his whole martyr complex in about ten minutes and he got so butthurt about it that he strangled her, thus proving her point beyond all doubt. Some of the better writing I've seen in the primarch books.
 
On the flipside would it have killed Perturabo to not be such a fucking sperg? The guy had a semi normal upbringing, which doesn't give him the same excuse as the other Chaos retards like Angron or Mortarion, he had the ability to design great works of military and civilian engineering but in the case of the ladder was too introverted to commission them and only had to put basic tactics when campaigning with his army of super soldiers with their fleet of dark age of technology era super weapons. Maybe the Emperor could have given him a participation trophy like the modern US military, but that wouldn't have prevented him from just getting upset some other Primarch got a different medal from his that is fancier.
Pert should’ve viewed the Herculean tasks he was given for what they were, an honor, he was literally handed the battles that his brothers couldn’t fight. You think the Phonecian or the Hydra would’ve been able to fight the Hrud? The guy had one of the easiest primarch upbringings and never stops whining about it. Horus and Kurze both landed in Detroit, Fulgrim was literally born into a wage cage, Mortarion was adopted by Palpatine on a hellworld, Lorgar was kidnapped by an actual abusive madman, Angron killed his father and got lobotomized and all of them don’t bitch about their lives nearly as much as Pert.
I feel like every time I do any co-op(rare) all I see are Salamanders, le funny Meme Ravens wearing stolen chapter gear haha lol, or rainbow marines. I saw an Imperial Fist once, though, and one other time I matched up with another Son of Medusa. But that's it.
I had a kino Istvaan III reunion with a World Eater vanguard, Death Guard tactical marine and I was playing an EC assault marine, all in Heresy colour schemes. Inexorably based randoms.
I liked how his foster sister called him on that and absolutely dismantled his whole martyr complex in about ten minutes and he got so butthurt about it that he strangled her, thus proving her point beyond all doubt. Some of the better writing I've seen in the primarch books.
Some are pretty weak and others like Mortarion’s are fantastic. Mortarion getting censured for his tactics and defending himself, earning Horus’s respect and Sanguinius’s disgust was pretty great.

Mortarion pretty much saying “death to tyrants and fuck the consequences,” really makes the smelly bastard likeable.
 
I feel like every time I do any co-op(rare) all I see are Salamanders, le funny Meme Ravens wearing stolen chapter gear haha lol, or rainbow marines. I saw an Imperial Fist once, though, and one other time I matched up with another Son of Medusa. But that's it.

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Just finished a couple of rounds with Sang Guard and a Night Lord. Did have a game with someone who's gamer tag is Saul Tarvitz
 
Just finished a couple of rounds with Sang Guard and a Night Lord. Did have a game with someone who's gamer tag is Saul Tarvitz
Honestly, the game has no staying power outside me having a bad day, having a drink and blowing off steam with a few operations. But the guys who’re still playing are, by and large, like 9/10 times pretty bro-tier.

Like me loading in and the first thing one of the guys says is, “Lemme see what he’s rolling….. Emperor’s Children lol.”
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The customization is limited but I was able to make a close enough approximation to Ravasch and then do a parry-master swordsman build (with the knife lol) I try to honor my legion by being a preening glory hound in-game, when I get called out I say I’m doing an RP.
 
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Whats the verdict on SM2? I hear it gets boring fast but customizing marines seems neat, I'm for sure waiting for a sale if I do get it.
 
Whats the verdict on SM2? I hear it gets boring fast but customizing marines seems neat, I'm for sure waiting for a sale if I do get it.
It's not what everyone hyped it to be. Campaign is fine. It's perfectly serviceable which is about all you can expect from a Space Marine Sequel. Parrying takes work to figure out how the game actually works, because it's different from how it tells you it works.

PvP is good for a couple rounds until you realize there are only four maps, and two game modes in the whole game and it took them several months to add the fourth map. Balance is ok, but not great. As usual a team that knows to protect and push with the Bulwark (guy with the shield) will wipe the floor with a team running in one at a time to die. You have Deathmatch and KotH, that's it.

Co-op seems to be what they're investing in. It's really no more than dedicated co-op campaign missions that fill in the blanks from the Single Player. It has a progression system for some reason. All you're doing is re-unlocking the ability to use the same weapons and sometimes you can get stat boosts. From what I'm told these little boosts are required to play the really hard difficulties.

Performance is meh at best. It has some fancy features but is still cursed by modern software practices. That is to say it's totally bloated and expect third party hardware tricks to optimize their game for them.

Customizing your space marine is clunky. You aren't picking custom colors for each part, you have to unlock preset colors and iconography through their sort of battle-pass. Basically you spend credits to unlock the correct colors and symbols for specific named chapters. Technically you can mix and match to some degree but everything comes from an already established chapter. Chaos Marines get jack shit. In PvP each class is assigned a legion, so if you're playing heavy but dress up as Alpha Legion you'll be screaming "IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT!!!"

Overall I give it a "I was gifted this game"/10. Development is not focused on fixing any core issues like optimization, bugs, or anything like that. It's painfully slow to add even one new operation or weapon or map. For $40 I'd say it's a maybe. For $30 I'd say you could do worse. But for $30 you could buy Deep Rock Galactic instead and play as Leagues of Votann.
 
Whats the verdict on SM2? I hear it gets boring fast but customizing marines seems neat, I'm for sure waiting for a sale if I do get it.
Hold out to see horde mode, that’s gonna be the the determining factor for it’s final verdict, we’re getting a Blood Angels cosmetic pack and a White Scars champion skin next for dlc. Campaign is a better movie than a game, missions are too long and it’s not long enough.

Customizing marines is a massive grind and two of the classes are in that gay Phobos armor but you can make some cool shit if you put in the work.
 
when I get called out I say I’m doing an RP.
One of my favorite things to do when I do co-op is kit out as a Templar and refuse to leave each zone until everything is dead. Get kicked real quick.
Hold out to see horde mode, that’s gonna be the the determining factor for it’s final verdict
I've got such low expectations for Horde mode. It's gonna be a mix of Chaos and Tyranids and it's apparently gonna follow a system where you survive a couple waves, run around and spend currency on defenses and/or to summon help like guards or a dread.
It's still only 3 man squads and I believe we're still class restricted too.

Horde mode will also add a new Chaos enemy that I think is a new terminus/boss since the only one they have right now is the Hellbrute. And possibly Techmarine as the new class.
 
Whats the verdict on SM2? I hear it gets boring fast but customizing marines seems neat, I'm for sure waiting for a sale if I do get it.
Game overall is pretty meh, but somehow they managed to get Saber to add some incredibly hefty mod support, so I'm waiting to see what happens there. I've been friends with a 40k modder since Dark Crusade and he's sticking around for this, so I've got personal reasons, especially since he was kind enough to buy it for me out of the blue so I could help playtest for him.
 
Got a mate deciding between Grey Knights and Black Templars, leaning templars.

2x Combat Patrol either way? Both seem cost effective, BT even has a vehicle.

Looking to give him guidance from someone more knowledgeable. I dont anticipate an army or Christmas box for either (please EC christmas box please) but GW might surprise us.
 
Any good books for the World Eaters?
Betrayer by Aaron Dempski Bowden
If were to wager a guess, the next companion/expansion for Rogue Trader since the Arbites one is almost out. A way to get an “evil” companion and still not break the lore too much, since Night Lords are more……. material than immaterial, not all of them went into the Eye and they’re honestly more pirates than anything, which is right up the alley of a Rogue Trader. You get a CSM companion for your heretic playthrough for the whole game but he’s not a “LORD SKULLFUCKER THE TRICKY” type where it’s too obvious. Because in the current build, you only get Uralon for the endgame and you lose a lot to get him.
 
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I'll play Devil's advocate here and say is it really too much for a thank you? Perturabo was an idiot, and wasteful sure, but a thank you once in a while might've prevented an entire legion from turning against the Imperium. Scolding him back into compliance didn't do anything other than upset him more and cement his self-righteous suicide. If giving him a little medal and a pat on the head is what it takes to prevent the daemonculaba that's a pretty easy price to pay. Like any of the other primarchs if the Emperor would've actually spent some time to talk to him, and explain his plan for Perturabo maybe he'd be less bitter. Even Calliphone before she died couldn't help but poke and stab at his insecurities instead of trying to reason with him, and then is shocked that he wouldn't listen to hear.
The Iron Warriors are gay. And if you like them, You are gay The Alpha Legion is the best Legion. They. are only loyal to the emperor. and nothing else. I should think you killed how far weus. Alfarius is unkillable.
 
Since there is autistic conversation regarding the Primarchs afoot, I will take the excuse to vomit anuddah autist theory into the thread

The Emperor fully intended for Sanguinius to fall to Chaos and become the Big Heresy Nigga as part of his general masterplan to set the board for the inevitable Heresy ahead of time to maximise his chances of winning, and even directly fucked with his genetics to try and ensure this would happen.

First off, here is a recurring question about every closeted homo in the fandom's favourite space twink. Why does he have wings?

Usually the answer guessed in-universe is some warp fuckery or mutation or even Baal being an irradiated hellhole even by the standards of the setting. However given the fact all Primarchs were dragged through the warp due to Space Karen taking the kids makes it a lil weird how he got the only such mutation, with only Magnus one-upping him in terms of physical mutations and he was designed to be an extra special snowflake traffic light for the webway project, which could suggest that the wings were part of his design to begin with.

Now why would the infamously reddit-atheist Emperor go out of his way to design one of his sons to look exactly like a biblical angel? And not only that, but also give his planet an explicit pass on the whole religion ban thing as a free concession to him despite being hilariously unwilling to give the slightest fuck about the feelings of other Primarchs and their pre-discovery societies (exhibit A: ngron). Well...what if he wanted Hawk Boy to become the symbol of religion and religiosity in the imperium so that when he inevitably rebelled and was claimed by chaos he could use this as ultimate vindication and justification to even the other Primarchs why religion bad?

Its been effectively established for a while that Big E knew that some kind of Chaos backed rebellion by a number of his Primarchs was inevitable and was already setting things up to try and ensure that he kept the best on his team while Chaos was left with the barely functional fuckups, ensuring a swift and easy victory for the Imperium. Thus it would make sense that he would designate one of them ahead of time as the obvious leader of such a rebellion, whose fall and defeat would serve his own long term goals, the most important of which being #fuckchristchuds.

To get the gods interested enough to select him as their champion/avatar/joint-fleshlight he poured a few extra drops of his "special Primarch juice" into Sanguinius's test tube relative to the others, which explains why he has Mary-Sue "kick the shit out of literally every other Primarch" strength and also why he has such charm and charisma even the Traitor Primarchs wont shut the fuck up about how much they respect him and want to caress his sparkly angel balls, and indeed why Horus (who loudly declared unprompted on several occasions that Sanguinius should have been warmaster guiz) was accurately worried that the gods were planning on replacing him as Big Heresy Nigga with Sanguinius the moment they corrupted him because of how much all four of the gods wanted a piece of his feathery ass to the point they were even willing to share.

Just to seal the deal Big-E also went and fucked up Sanguinius's genetics to not only give him giant symbolic angel wings but also the same "can see his inevitable death in the future" shit he gave another designated fuckup by the name of Konrad, as well as giving him and his legion not one but two horrifying existential flaws of wanting to simultaneously murderfuck everyone around them and also eat/drink everyone around them, to make doubly sure they were even more vulnerable to Chaos corruption as well as hoping to turn his legion into the worst of the barely functional fuckup crews. Also to make sure said legion was ultra-primed for turning on the Imperium, he also ensured that from the getgo they were given the absolute shittest jobs in the early great crusade in ways that would make Perturabo cringe, all while having their recruits literally be the most diseased and mutated coomers among the Imperium's defeated human enemies he could find.

All in all by the time the Emprah rode up on Baal the stage was set for the IX legion to 110% go traitor out of extremely justified bitterness towards him personally and the imperium as a whole as well as being genetically predisposed to kill and drink people in screaming tard rage, and for Sanguinius to play the part of Archtraitor who also represents fake and gay religion.

The only problem in this plan was that Sanguinius decided not to become the asshole he was designed to be. Worse he even decided to become the galaxy's most powerful kindergarten teacher for the universally despised hate filled flesh eating killing machines of his legion and have them all do fingerpainting until they were happy which somehow fucking worked despite....fucking everything.

Meanwhile thanks to Erebus's Poop Knife shenanigans the gods hastily decided Horus would do as backup Archtraitor instead of the middle management flunky role they were originally intending for him (which Perturabo would eventually be crowbarred into) and the Emperor spent the subsequent heresy and following 10k years seething that not only was his masterplan to win the Heresy a miserable pyric failure, but that his intended moment of total fedora atheist triumph was stolen and replaced by Sanguinius becoming the beloved Space-Jesus to his new Space-God self.
 
The Iron Warriors are gay. And if you like them, You are gay The Alpha Legion is the best Legion. They. are only loyal to the emperor. and nothing else. I should think you killed how far weus. Alfarius is unkillable.
I like Iron Warriors for the austim. Literally so autistic they just shove daemons into engines and turned themselves into living guns for the thrill of it. Alpha Legion is fun but more a meme and I think with the reveal of them actually but not really turning on the Emperor and having keywords kind of turned them into a warband that doesn’t know what they’re really doing but do it anyway. (Legion was probably the best HH book just because it’s a spy thriller in a war novel and ends very grim darkly. It’s so well done)

Anyway… Night Lords are the best. Just brutally skin and torture people… and that’s BEFORE falling to chaos.
 
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