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Paul-Denton said:
Do any of yall like AoS at all? some of the minis for it are really cool imo, and the spearhead boxes seem like a good deal for 20-25 minis especially if you play an army of chaos faction in either. Could buy tzeentch spearhead and use tzaangors and screamers from it. Not enough of an interest in AoS to do that, but it's intriguing. Soulblight gravelords are cool too but i'm playing a vampire counts campaign in total war rn so maybe it's all recency bias.
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I like AoS. I collect Gloomspite Gitz and Ossiarch Bonereapers.
 
p1138 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LXnF6A0nlaE"GW announced selling their own licensed helmet"
So?
"3d printing is so amazing"
What does that have to do with anything?
"We like DIY cosplay"
Ok, but you were SELLING the models and printed products
"we had to take down products and cancel future plans"
That's the point of a C&D instead of being slapped with a lawsuit
"I have no ill will... ...we just filled a void"
By commercially selling products based off of their IP
"If GW came to us and said we want to take your stuff and make it our stuff I'd be all for that, getting an actual licensing deal from GW is not as easy as it might sound"
But it wasn't your stuff, it was theirs, and why would they want to do business with you when you stole it? Can you even mass produce the product instead of just relying on a print farm if they even wanted to? Let me check the website

So the answer to that is clearly a no.
"We're friends with Trench Crusade"
Yeah, I'm sure you faggots are. Claiming they're interested in hiring people to do cosplay and partner with them wait... so it isn't that you could just make shit for TC... you have a business partnership with TC? That's not a nicer or more modern take on anything, that's called starting out doing shit legally in the first place.

What a bunch of faggotry. Even reddit thinks it's dumb and manipulative comparing it to that retarded etsy seller who was selling console gamepad shells that clearly infringed on IP they didn't have licenses for.
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Would you be shocked if I said dweebs on Twitter are already crying about it and how GW "hates muh creative faaans!!"
 
p1138 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LXnF6A0nlaE"GW announced selling their own licensed helmet"
So?
"3d printing is so amazing"
What does that have to do with anything?
"We like DIY cosplay"
Ok, but you were SELLING the models and printed products
"we had to take down products and cancel future plans"
That's the point of a C&D instead of being slapped with a lawsuit
"I have no ill will... ...we just filled a void"
By commercially selling products based off of their IP
"If GW came to us and said we want to take your stuff and make it our stuff I'd be all for that, getting an actual licensing deal from GW is not as easy as it might sound"
But it wasn't your stuff, it was theirs, and why would they want to do business with you when you stole it? Can you even mass produce the product instead of just relying on a print farm if they even wanted to? Let me check the website

So the answer to that is clearly a no.
"We're friends with Trench Crusade"
Yeah, I'm sure you faggots are. Claiming they're interested in hiring people to do cosplay and partner with them wait... so it isn't that you could just make shit for TC... you have a business partnership with TC? That's not a nicer or more modern take on anything, that's called starting out doing shit legally in the first place.

What a bunch of faggotry. Even reddit thinks it's dumb and manipulative comparing it to that retarded etsy seller who was selling console gamepad shells that clearly infringed on IP they didn't have licenses for.
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GW didn't touch them until they became a direct competitor to their product (primaris helmet)
Seems completely fair.
 
The tired cat said:
Would you be shocked if I said dweebs on Twitter are already crying about it and how GW "hates muh creative faaans!!"
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No, and I know they are and even are in some reddit threads, But apparently some people on reddit actually have some braincells to rub together even throwing out downdoots at people defending the IP stealing company in that thread.

Paul-Denton said:
Do any of yall like AoS at all? some of the minis for it are really cool imo, and the spearhead boxes seem like a good deal for 20-25 minis especially if you play an army of chaos faction in either. Could buy tzeentch spearhead and use tzaangors and screamers from it. Not enough of an interest in AoS to do that, but it's intriguing. Soulblight gravelords are cool too but i'm playing a vampire counts campaign in total war rn so maybe it's all recency bias.
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To not bury this part of the conversation in laughing at stupid companies mildly finding out after fucking around, I'm personally not a fan of AoS especially since they still haven't gotten rid of that double turn nonsense. I go, you go is already dated but I can put up with it in 40k. 2 full turns in a row of you going while I'm just rolling saves? That can fuck right off.

As far as spearhead, I've seen the uptick in popularity for it as well, and it makes sense in a way seeing as how GW kinda nuked warcry from existence, but even before that it was getting bloated overpriced mostly terrain boxes, and it seemed like half the teams for it were some variant of chaos cultist leaving a lack of variety in it. Spearhead fills an obvious niche of a 90 minute(or less) fantasy game that uses a small number of units, small amount of terrain, and little table space while basically eliminating list building. Basically a pseudo boardgame in a way.
 
p1138 said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LXnF6A0nlaE"GW announced selling their own licensed helmet"
So?
"3d printing is so amazing"
What does that have to do with anything?
"We like DIY cosplay"
Ok, but you were SELLING the models and printed products
"we had to take down products and cancel future plans"
That's the point of a C&D instead of being slapped with a lawsuit
"I have no ill will... ...we just filled a void"
By commercially selling products based off of their IP
"If GW came to us and said we want to take your stuff and make it our stuff I'd be all for that, getting an actual licensing deal from GW is not as easy as it might sound"
But it wasn't your stuff, it was theirs, and why would they want to do business with you when you stole it? Can you even mass produce the product instead of just relying on a print farm if they even wanted to? Let me check the website

So the answer to that is clearly a no.
"We're friends with Trench Crusade"
Yeah, I'm sure you faggots are. Claiming they're interested in hiring people to do cosplay and partner with them wait... so it isn't that you could just make shit for TC... you have a business partnership with TC? That's not a nicer or more modern take on anything, that's called starting out doing shit legally in the first place.

What a bunch of faggotry. Even reddit thinks it's dumb and manipulative comparing it to that retarded etsy seller who was selling console gamepad shells that clearly infringed on IP they didn't have licenses for.
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Oh fuck do I enjoy this particular kind of seething. Idc about copyright infringement, I just want to see retarded dumb dumb stupid heads getting blasted by the weight of the law when they're clearly in the wrong. Its great because they know they're in the wrong too, which is why they won't defend what is (I'm guessing) not an insignificant chunk of their business' products in a court of law. I do, however, hope they start up a go fund me to raise money for a lolsuit just to fleece their retarded customer base that buys into this "GW BAD!" shit.

Paul-Denton said:
Do any of yall like AoS at all? some of the minis for it are really cool imo, and the spearhead boxes seem like a good deal for 20-25 minis especially if you play an army of chaos faction in either. Could buy tzeentch spearhead and use tzaangors and screamers from it. Not enough of an interest in AoS to do that, but it's intriguing. Soulblight gravelords are cool too but i'm playing a vampire counts campaign in total war rn so maybe it's all recency bias.
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I like AOS because seraphon are really cool, and largely AOS gets the best sculpts out of the main GW series. Nagash alone is better than any primarch, and I think tbh every army in AOS has, on average, a better, more cohesive art style and direction. That goes without saying that AOS is like a decade old compared to 40K's 40-ish years. If you're feeling really cheeky and you want to expand into something that isn't just Tsons, you could buy the 40k Demons of Chaos (demons of khorne, more like) combat patrol, because I believe the current and last iteration is entirely legal in both AOS and 40k. It's generally good practice that if you really want to play both games on a budget, Chaos Demons are the way to go. It's also adjacent to Thousand Sons as its still chaos, but can also branch into other factions later if you're interested like World Eaters or Blade of Khorne. if ur feelin extra cheeky u could paint the chaos demons combat patrol blue and proxy 'em as tzeentch demons, but that depends on your playgroup
 
Paul-Denton said:
Do any of yall like AoS at all? some of the minis for it are really cool imo, and the spearhead boxes seem like a good deal for 20-25 minis especially if you play an army of chaos faction in either. Could buy tzeentch spearhead and use tzaangors and screamers from it. Not enough of an interest in AoS to do that, but it's intriguing. Soulblight gravelords are cool too but i'm playing a vampire counts campaign in total war rn so maybe it's all recency bias.
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Id love to get into DoK. However spearhead isn't cost effective and I have nowhere near the skill to paint AoS models
 
Anyone who has had their card pulled by GW for IP infringement is a proper spastic. I'm not holding a candle for GW, but the rules of engagement are made perfectly clear on their website; if you're making money off any of their likenesses or trademarks then expect the Eye of Nottingham to turn it's gaze on you.

I ran a 3D printing business for a few years and I used to sell lots of GW proxies and bits. At the high point I had over 400 items listed on Etsy, and in all the time I was selling on there I only ever received two DMCAs. One for a set of Khorne Berserker heads and the other for a Chaos Sorcerer. Both of these were for their likenesses (and rightly so, they were pretty blatant copies which wouldn't stand up in court).

The retards out there using GW trademarks in their listings are asking for it. The little team of gay paralegals that GW hired a few years back just spend their time looking for them on places like eBay, Etsy and independent sites. If you have used any of their trademarks (and there is a comprehensive list on GW's site) for your products or descriptions you will get a DMCA at some point.

Nobody is using the gay little names that the likes of Cults3D creators use in their searches on these sites. Etsy shows you exactly what search terms people are using to find your product. Nobody is looking for "angry space boy axes", they're searching for "Khorne Chain Axes".

How did I get away with it? Easy, you abuse Etsy's SEO. Etsy has a tag system that you can use on your listings. These tags are only visible to the person creating the listing, but they have as much impact on your search ranking as anything you put in the product description. This is why poor Timmy with a dream and a Mars 2 gets busted for selling "Space Marine Shoulders" with his description laced with GW's trademarks, whilst the chad SEO abuser is selling 1-for-1 copies of 40K vehicles at a reasonable price without a care in the world.

YouTube content creators are just as retarded as our boy Timmy when it comes to handling this kind of thing. They'll make an animated movie full of lovely GW likenesses, but then have their channel monetised or have a Patreon link in the description. Oh no! How did my videos get pulled! The claim that you're giving GW "free advertising" is a moot point. At this point GW don't have to do so much as put a poster up in a bus stop. They have millions of retards doing it for free on Reddit, Instagram, Twitter etc. All GW has to do is stick an article up on the community site and the fans will do the rest. Thats before you get into the slimy world of the nontent creators that signed the NDA for free shit.
 
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Honestly with how on the nose and entitled some of these “totally not Warhammer” sellers are, I’m beginning to think “Hey fuck you too.”

Like GW is retarded and insane but c’mon, make your money, do your hustle but do not expect it’ll last forever or that you have some right to be the exception to IP theft.

Same with the YouTubers, they all suck, like 99% of Warhammer YouTubers would be servitored if we lived in 40k, they are that useless.
 
Muad'Dick said:
Anyone who has had their card pulled by GW for IP infringement is a proper spastic. I'm not holding a candle for GW, but the rules of engagement are made perfectly clear on their website; if you're making money off any of their likenesses or trademarks then expect the Eye of Nottingham to turn it's gaze on you.
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You don't even need to pay attention to GW's website. This shit is all basic common knowledge regarding any IP that isn't your own or you don't have a license for.

In this case I blame dumb morons who prance around in costumes at conventions and shit, specifically weebs. Japan has some very weird laws regarding intellectual property enforcement that allow people to openly sell manga of characters and shit that aren't their own. And if that's how Japan wants to do business, fine. The rest of the world doesn't do that shit though and people get surprised like idiots when IP and people who have licensed IP come after them. There's been some instances of Crunchyroll(who used to be a pirating website, hilariously) shutting down artist booths at conventions in the US and people throwing tantrums over it like Crunchyroll are the ones doing anything wrong or even unusual, when there's people just blatantly and openly selling knock offs of shit they've paid money for the rights to.

I think this is the same level of stupidity that has managed to rot the brains of some people. Yeah, there was the chapterhouse shit a decade ago, but GW has swapped names to trademarkable shit now rather than generic wording where they can and for a reason.

Muad'Dick said:
Nobody is using the gay little names that the likes of Cults3D creators use in their searches on these sites. Etsy shows you exactly what search terms people are using to find your product. Nobody is looking for "angry space boy axes", they're searching for "Khorne Chain Axes".

How did I get away it? Easy, you abuse Etsy's SEO. Etsy has a tag system that you can use on your listings. These tags are only visible to the person creating the listing, but they have as much impact on your search ranking as anything you put in the product description. This is why poor Timmy with a dream and a Mars 2 gets busted for selling "Space Marine Shoulders" with his description laced with GW's trademarks, whilst the chad SEO abuser is selling 1-for-1 copies of 40K vehicles at a reasonable price without a care in the world.
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That's also partially when Etsy had their "3d printing apocalypse" the other month. That and not being able to verify who has a license from which creator to be printing whichever bullshit(most of them didn't) and clearly they didn't want to bother trying to hire the staff to do so. So once again you had a bunch of dumb entitled people throwing tantrums about it.

It really boils down to entitled people and idiots. I'm not going to suck off GW, I've openly suggested people here look for recasters(not going to name any because they aren't that hard to find and I'm not going to do GWs work for them) but I sure as fuck didn't pay GW's price for that titan I've been slowly working on.
 
Humble Architect said:
Like GW is retarded and insane but c’mon, make your money, do your hustle but do not expect it’ll last forever or that you have some right to be the exception to IP theft.
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It wouldn't be so bad if the people weren't just opportunistic freeloaders to begin with. The only reason I even started in the business was because I got my fingers burned numerous times when buying 3rd party bits. A lot of what you see on places like Etsy is absolute shit. Especially when you know what 3D printing is capable of.

p1138 said:
You don't even need to pay attention to GW's website. This shit is all basic common knowledge regarding any IP that isn't your own or you don't have a license for.
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You would think, but like I mentioned above, the entire scene is made up of retards looking for a quick buck. They see the amount of people doing this kind of thing and just assume they can waltz in and take a piece of the pie without doing the due diligence or work necessary to pull it off. They're just not bright people.

p1138 said:
I think this is the same level of stupidity that has managed to rot the brains of some people. Yeah, there was the chapterhouse shit a decade ago, but GW has swapped names to trademarkable shit now rather than generic wording where they can and for a reason.
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The Chapterhouse case made it pretty clear what you could and could not get away with. A lot of people have heard of it, but not many have looked into it properly. The case became a precedent and, like you say, forced GW to re-think when it came to the naming conventions they used.

p1138 said:
That's also partially when Etsy had their "3d printing apocalypse" the other month. That and not being able to verify who has a license from which creator to be printing whichever bullshit(most of them didn't) and clearly they didn't want to bother trying to hire the staff to do so. So once again you had a bunch of dumb entitled people throwing tantrums about it.
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I was legit when it came to commercial licenses. I don't mind taking some of GW's lunch money, but I'm not going to do the same with some indie guy with a bit of talent. You're not wrong though. I would say (on Etsy at least) about 30% of the people selling prints were doing so with a valid commercial license. Thats if they were even paying for the STLs at all. Getting hold of STLs for free is laughably easy.
 
Fuck GW's IP. Copyright law is dumb and gay. All it does is stifle competition and creative freedom. I don't care if they're right in the eyes of the law. I'm not buying their stupid Titus helmet.

Paul-Denton said:
Do any of yall like AoS at all?
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Not really. That being said I've never played it, I own no models, I know very little about it other than its troubled history and that people said Spearhead is actually good. Fantasy is kind of hard for me to really get into. It's easier with MMOs like WoW or FFXIV that have sci-fi mixed into them. LotR is just amazing story telling so I like that. But AoS just doesn't have the same pull to me and I really couldn't tell you why. I guess there really isn't a faction that jumps out to me as one I'd one to play or learn about. I guess Elves are pretty cool, and Nighthaunt has some cool ghosts but I can't say I want to run out and grab a box.
 
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Dollar Store Crack Whore said:
Listen to The Calculus of Battle audio drama while you build. Short and sweet, and it's a super IH kinda story.
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I listened to it while doing some chill SM2 and nursing a fucked up ankle. Yeah I like these guys. Helps that Terminator 1 and 2 and Robocop are among my favorite films. I’ve been listening to Wrath of Iron and Rauth is so damn cool.

Side note, hammer bulwark made this game enjoyable again, especially since (sexual) Assault Marine is so, so not good for Horde mode.
 
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Humble Architect said:
I listened to it while doing some chill SM2 and nursing a fucked-up ankle. Yeah I like these guys. Helps that Terminator 1 and 2 and Robocop are among my favorite films. I’ve been listening to Wrath of Iron and Rauth is so damn cool.

Side note, hammer bulwark made this game enjoyable again, especially since (sexual) Assault Marine is so, so not good for Horde mode.
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They're great. Can't remember which book, but my favorite IH moment is when they're at the fighting pits looking at new recruits, and some old man asks the marine if one of the boys fighting a big cat will be considered for his bravery. The IH marine says "Nope. You know how I'd kill that thing? I'd shoot it from outside the cage, and let it bleed to death. Honor is worthless compared to efficiency."

They've got zero patience for puffed-up self aggrandizing bullshit, they just get the job done. No frills, no fucking HUR DURR WE SWORED AN OAF TO PROTECT DIS HERE GROUND AND WE'LL ALL DIE TO DO IT fucking black templars buncha jackass idiots
 
Dollar Store Crack Whore said:
They're great. Can't remember which book, but my favorite IH moment is when they're at the fighting pits looking at new recruits, and some old man asks the marine if one of the boys fighting a big cat will be considered for his bravery. The IH marine says "Nope. You know how I'd kill that thing? I'd shoot it from outside the cage, and let it bleed to death. Honor is worthless compared to efficiency."

They've got zero patience for puffed-up self aggrandizing bullshit, they just get the job done. No frills, no fucking HUR DURR WE SWORED AN OAF TO PROTECT DIS HERE GROUND AND WE'LL ALL DIE TO DO IT fucking black templars buncha jackass idiots
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I love Rauth’s internal monologue, the closest I’ve ever related to a space marine.

He looks over the general, his medals, his honors, his finery and is utterly unimpressed, “if he had come here naked, he’d be treated the same.” Does not care about the pleasantries at all. Even the sane Magos chick finds humour in Rauth and the general butting heads and sits that guy down to tell him what he’s dealing with.

That “we are here to get a job done, I do not care about your petty reputation,” mindset is refreshing. He’s not even humourless, during that scene it makes note of his “single remaining brow raising” which is hilarious. I even like how they are never going to have primarch drama and most hate Ferris Bueller and thought he was a hotheaded idiot.
 
3D printing attracts a weird group in this hobby who are rabid anti-gw, anti-gw customers and have 0 understanding of IP law.

I bought a bambu printer (which I recommend to everyone btw) that is super noob friendly and incredibly easy to use. So far printed a bunch of hobby accessories and bases. Printer is fdm, not resin and I got some serious quality. I'll do terrain soon too. Notice how these dont necessarily breach IP law and lets me customise my experience?

But, and I say this as respectfully as I can, you are a fucking idiot to buy a resin printer just to print minis for an army, especially if you think youre beating GW by doing so.
 
East_Clintwood said:
Not my absolute favourites but two pieces I definitely like for different reasons:
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Good book, cool piece of art, and I actually won a really nice frame print of this from my local GW and it was on my wall for years. Unfortunately I'm not sure where it's at these days.

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Love me some space vikings. This piece of art was actually directly responsible for getting me back into 40k during 5E, after several years away. Got stuck in a queue in a newsagents so I was browsing magazine covers to pass the time and there was a WD with this on the cover talking about the upcoming SW release and I picked it up on a whim.
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I grabbed the 4th Edition Black Templars book back during 4th of July weekend. Great grab tbh. 20250723_170839.webp
 
Mr Clark said:
But, and I say this as respectfully as I can, you are a fucking idiot to buy a resin printer just to print minis for an army, especially if you think youre beating GW by doing so.
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Nah, I'd disagree on this. I would say this though; if you're picking up a cheapish resin printer on Amazon and expecting to print an army as soon as you plug it in, then you're in for a shock. Like anything else, there is a learning curve to printing and its going to take a while before you're getting consistent results. Getting good consistent results takes even longer.

If you were just buying a machine to print a single army then you may as well just pay the GW tax. The real benefit of having a resin printer is that you can print whatever the fuck you like, whenever the fuck you like, and it does get addictive. The pile of shame becomes the folder of shame. Before you even realise it you have an army's worth of files.
 
Muad'Dick said:
Nah, I'd disagree on this. I would say this though; if you're picking up a cheapish resin printer on Amazon and expecting to print an army as soon as you plug it in, then you're in for a shock. Like anything else, there is a learning curve to printing and its going to take a while before you're getting consistent results. Getting good consistent results takes even longer.

If you were just buying a machine to print a single army then you may as well just pay the GW tax. The real benefit of having a resin printer is that you can print whatever the fuck you like, whenever the fuck you like, and it does get addictive. The pile of shame becomes the folder of shame. Before you even realise it you have an army's worth of files.
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This but with the caveat that with as much shit is involved(and you aren't a moron about the fumes and handling the resin) it may as well be its own secondary hobby.
 
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