Warhammer 40k

[God of Nothing]

He is one of the best characters because he still retains the dark humour from RT and the joke is the ultimate filter, if he pisses you off then congratulations, he’d probably get a laugh off the anger.

Dude is Slaanesh’s boytoy, he’s coming back no matter what. Props to the normally retarded codex writers for saying this flat out. It’s not a matter of if but when, he’s coming back.

The Four like their trophy Primarchs, but they love their champions.

the primarchs are just jobbers at this point

 

[Snekposter]

People always quote this claim about the eldar attacking humanity during the dark age of technology yet no one is capable of providing a source where this actually happens!

Funny, because I've headcanoned it that all our old folktales about the Wild Hunt and a bunch of glamour-loving jackasses showing up from inside geographical features were the Eldar having fun at mankind's expense to the point the locals accidentally wound up adopting one of their gods as their own.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cernunnos
Cernunnos, Kurnous, what's the difference?

 

[Paul-Denton]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

 

[Michael Wade]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

I like them but so far they are more interesting for the lore they bring to the setting then actual characters or stories. The idea of other factions hiding within the umbrella of the imperium's protection and the fact they sold guns to the tau is cool.

 

[Mr Clark]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

I dont mind the aesthetic and dwarves belong in just about any setting with elves but they dont feel like a natural fit somehow

 

[Spilled Spaghett]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

Yes and no. I like the idea, but they have no lore other than a single novel. As far as I know, no other books reference or include them in their stories. At best you might get a single line that says the Votann sold tech to someone. They've been around for years now and they are a complete non-starter. They are empty. No models, no lore, no characters, they may as well not exist and nothing will change.

Their aesthetics are fine on their own but I don't think there's anyone on earth who would look at them and recognize them as space dwarves. They don't go hard enough on the stereotype. Their tech is too rounded. it's all retro-futuristic which is not at all what I would've picked for space dwarves.

Votann just need to do something noteworthy. Maybe 11th edition GW will finally decide to make them a main character. I think part of the problem is they wrote themselves into a corner from the start. They are a faction that is holed up on planets that no one else really wants to fuck with, and they have no desire to leave. How are they meant to come into conflict with any other faction? What even makes them important? Ok they have tech that they can spawn out of thin air, but the only thing they do is sell it to other notable factions who will actually do something interesting with it. I want to like them more, but I struggle to find any reason to.

 

[Humble Architect]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

Hate em, gay aesthetic, ugly models, plot armor, x*nos and ruined Squats getting a proper range.

Short people ain’t got any reason to live. If you’re under six-two, kill yourself.

 

[Mr Clark]

Yes and no. I like the idea, but they have no lore other than a single novel. As far as I know, no other books reference or include them in their stories. At best you might get a single line that says the Votann sold tech to someone. They've been around for years now and they are a complete non-starter. They are empty. No models, no lore, no characters, they may as well not exist and nothing will change.

Their aesthetics are fine on their own but I don't think there's anyone on earth who would look at them and recognize them as space dwarves. They don't go hard enough on the stereotype. Their tech is too rounded. it's all retro-futuristic which is not at all what I would've picked for space dwarves.

Votann just need to do something noteworthy. Maybe 11th edition GW will finally decide to make them a main character. I think part of the problem is they wrote themselves into a corner from the start. They are a faction that is holed up on planets that no one else really wants to fuck with, and they have no desire to leave. How are they meant to come into conflict with any other faction? What even makes them important? Ok they have tech that they can spawn out of thin air, but the only thing they do is sell it to other notable factions who will actually do something interesting with it. I want to like them more, but I struggle to find any reason to.

Making them the Lockheed-Martin of 40k COULD be interesting, but that goes beyond selling tech and weapons. They would then have to engineer conflicts to sell more. Theyre just a tad too isolationist for that though

 

[p1138]

Yes and no. I like the idea, but they have no lore other than a single novel. As far as I know, no other books reference or include them in their stories. At best you might get a single line that says the Votann sold tech to someone. They've been around for years now and they are a complete non-starter. They are empty. No models, no lore, no characters, they may as well not exist and nothing will change.

Their aesthetics are fine on their own but I don't think there's anyone on earth who would look at them and recognize them as space dwarves. They don't go hard enough on the stereotype. Their tech is too rounded. it's all retro-futuristic which is not at all what I would've picked for space dwarves.

Votann just need to do something noteworthy. Maybe 11th edition GW will finally decide to make them a main character. I think part of the problem is they wrote themselves into a corner from the start. They are a faction that is holed up on planets that no one else really wants to fuck with, and they have no desire to leave. How are they meant to come into conflict with any other faction? What even makes them important? Ok they have tech that they can spawn out of thin air, but the only thing they do is sell it to other notable factions who will actually do something interesting with it. I want to like them more, but I struggle to find any reason to.

They've got that awful High Kahl's Oath novel(it's boring as fuck), some short story called One Million Years where the dwarfs try attacking a Necron ship(I haven't read it), and a fairly meaningless appearance in Dawn of Fire book 8 as one of the 10 plots every book in that series has.

From 1 novel and part of another their big thing is basically space whaling against tyranid bioships. They apparently like harvesting them for resources? And adventuring to find anvient votann ruins currently held by orks(there was a map to a votann in the old kin base they adventure to). Meanwhile they've got their brokhyr(I can't be bothered to look up the spelling right now) that act like dickheads going to various kin fleets and disabling their shields and shit while under attack by chaos if the kin fleet hasn't paid its dues back to their brokhyr bank or whatever(it was a really stupid plot point in high kahls oath). Meanwhile they dwarfs on the adventure are playing diggy diggy hole to find the old base where the previous high kahl got killed by a horde of orks. Meanwhile you've got them with their council doing literal weighted votes on a scale to determine a course of action.

As far as their interactions with the imperium, in the dawn of fire book they bump ino an inquisitor on a rogue trader ship because they've got some prisoner he wants but they want fuel so he makes a deal and the dwarf spits on their hand and they shake on it. Then later on the imperium is about to get wrecked by a blackstone fortress and the votann show up to assist because they want salvage rights.

The biggest problem is that it all comes off incredibly bland. If you thought talk of trade negotiations in star wars was boring, when it turns into pages of discussing who gets what percentage of the profits from the tyranid bioship due to combat performance... I don't think they could have made it more dull.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Making them the Lockheed-Martin of 40k COULD be interesting, but that goes beyond selling tech and weapons. They would then have to engineer conflicts to sell more. Theyre just a tad too isolationist for that though

Votan starting planetary uprisings to sell lasguns to the local Planetary Defense Force would make for some interesting stories though. Nothing chaos or xenos related just good old fashioned greed.

 

[winderson_silva]

You know, with people losing their shit with the Terminus Decree, I must remember there is a worse one, where the Heresy writers decided that, to avoid Vulkan doing anything useful in the Siege, he must physically sit on the Throne to activate the Talisman of 7 Hammers.

A "dead man switch", that you need to manualy activate

Except the Eldar have mind read and future vision so they always have the better intel, while maintaining their superiority over humans despite devolving to hit and run tactics.

But the easiest justification for humanity hatred of Eldar is them birthing Slannesh, though even beforehand they were absolutely untrustworthy.

Eldar future sight, like all future sight, is unreliable, there is a reason they jobber on their own books. Hell arguably the Grey Knights got much better future sight because they actually win most of their battles.

The thing with the extra justifications is that no one in universe does it, if the Emperor was motivated by the Birth of Slaanesh, he is not saying, when the rules are explained in universe in Horus Rising, there is no "there was a great betrayal" or "because of slaanesh" or "we cant trust them", all they say is "aliens were mostly hostile, and the Emperor said to kill them all".

If you ask me, thats all that is needed, ironically people out of universe need more justifications than those in universe

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Do people like Votann? Is there a reason to care about them at all in the grand scheme of the setting? They almost seem shoehorned in and I preferred the biker space dwarves they apparently had decades back.

I like them as random side characters but not as a full fledged range. Necromunda fits them so much better. Ratlings are also much cooler than them especially on the tabletop.

 

[winderson_silva]

Artemis wishes he was as much of Chad knife-ear remover as Fulgrim Jr.

Honestly, hating Lucius is the brainet take for 40K, people for whatever reason overfocus on "I can gotcha the curse" and ignore his character. No one is saying, lets say, Celestine or Kharn are bad characters just because their gods also dont let them die.

Lucius and Leandros are the test for 40K fans, if you dislike them, I think you are missing some of the bigger points of the setting.

 

[God of Nothing]

Honestly, hating Lucius is the brainet take for 40K, people for whatever reason overfocus on "I can gotcha the curse" and ignore his character. No one is saying, lets say, Celestine or Kharn are bad characters just because their gods also dont let them die.

Lucius and Leandros are the test for 40K fans, if you dislike them, I think you are missing some of the bigger points of the setting.

i remember majorkill saying absolute cringe because lucius pissed him off
then again, he's an aussie warhammer casual tuber, which is cringe in of itself

 

[winderson_silva]

As a daemon says on his books, Lucius is basically the dark side of the whole "indomitable human spirit", hes a man who sinks himself ever further and doesnt care, he always comes out, he keeps fighting, but not for the good, but for his own enjoyment

He is mankind's dark mirror

Hell, even his defeats are great, unlike other "we are the best swordsmen" he actually meets his match, you aint seeing Kharn getting decked by a no name alien, Lucius will, Calgar isnt dying to a random necron or anything under the "hero" archetype, but Lucius will. A mine would kill Dante, but he wont ever stop on one, never make such a grave mistake.

It shows the galaxy is way bigger than the named characters, what more could I ask?

 

[Michael Wade]

i remember majorkill saying absolute cringe because lucius pissed him off
then again, he's an aussie warhammer casual tuber, which is cringe in of itself

I think the most annoying thing in theory is there's no counter to him. You can't just temporarily railroad him and run away like you would from karn because there's a chance he'll die or kill himself and the faintest amount of pride in a job well done will bring him back in the thick of it. The best way to kill him was the rubric marines, and chaos just said fuck it and brought him back anyway without a new body.

Karn is an unstoppable force and Lucius is a very stoppable force that punishes victory. It makes sense and I haven't read his stories so I cant say I hate the character. It's just that he's a very hateable idea personified.

 

[Humble Architect]

As a daemon says on his books, Lucius is basically the dark side of the whole "indomitable human spirit", hes a man who sinks himself ever further and doesnt care, he always comes out, he keeps fighting, but not for the good, but for his own enjoyment

He is mankind's dark mirror

Hell, even his defeats are great, unlike other "we are the best swordsmen" he actually meets his match, you aint seeing Kharn getting decked by a no name alien, Lucius will, Calgar isnt dying to a random necron or anything under the "hero" archetype, but Lucius will. A mine would kill Dante, but he wont ever stop on one, never make such a grave mistake.

It shows the galaxy is way bigger than the named characters, what more could I ask?

Plus he does have consequences for each rez, each time he loses a bit of who he was. That piece replaced by the latest curse victim. He’s like if Ra’s Al Ghul was a good character, sure he’s always gonna come back, but never whole.

What I like about him is he’s actually a fairly bad Chaos Lord, his ship is mostly free of the taint and people can live fairly normal-ish lives by chaos standards (astounding for his legion), he’s not a good captain, his men are kept in line purely because of the curse/his status as chosen and he’s too fried to really get up to much mischief outside his raids. Evil piece of shit undoubtedly, but compare the Diadem in Faultless Blade to the Wage of Sin in Auric Hammer.

Him and Eidolon need to reunite, their bonding after Istvaan III was hilarious and one of the few times pre-humbling Eidolon seems to like anybody. Then his ghost of Christmas future is shown off in Angel Exterminatus and Lucius says, “You call this life?!”

He is consistently the “sane one” in HH, which is like Kharn being the angriest of the angry, already singled out.

I think the most annoying thing in theory is there's no counter to him. You can't just temporarily railroad him and run away like you would from karn because there's a chance he'll die or kill himself and the faintest amount of pride in a job well done will bring him back in the thick of it. The best way to kill him was the rubric marines, and chaos just said fuck it and brought him back anyway without a new body.

Karn is an unstoppable force and Lucius is a very stoppable force that punishes victory. It makes sense and I haven't read his stories so I cant say I hate the character. It's just that he's a very hateable idea personified.

All four are immortal. Ahriman, Typhus and Kharn are undying as well.

Lucius is a blight but he’s not unstoppable. The EC champs have a mind, body and soul theme. Lucius is the body, he’s a beast but a Lord Commander he is not. Outsmarting him is key, killing his men is key. He’s cocky but if he can avoid a death, he will. He wants your pissed off face on him just as little as you do.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Spoiler: OPR Sperging

I like OPR, its models are decent, the rules are simple but scale up nicely, its flawed, but the one guy behind it seems like a good egg. Its community is a bit annoying, not as much as TC or say, Nu-DnD, but still a tiny bit
If you have a 3d Printer the patreon is actually decent value, they have a commitment to have monopose but option filled models that are often direct proxies to 40k, and sometimes their ranges surpass 40k's, like their space Dwarf range.

Anyways back to 40k, ive been reading the older Ciaphas Cain books and its been fun for the most part, i enjoy how they give you a very casual but still tonally consistent look into the universe. Its fun that some of the stories balance characters experiencing horrors beyond comprehension with Cain constantly commenting on Vail's pet psyker's tits

 

[God of Nothing]

Cain constantly commenting on the inquisitor's psyker's tits

psyker pussy is crazy, man

 

[p1138]

i remember majorkill saying absolute cringe because lucius pissed him off
then again, he's an aussie warhammer casual tuber, which is cringe in of itself

He's way worse than that. Now he shills steroids to gay 40k kids unless he's suddenly stopped doing that in the past few months. I wish I were joking.