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daniel day said:
Niggas will do ANYTHING to not /git gud/ at painting with a brush. I dont even get it. Painting and modeling are 2/3rds of the hobby just based on time spent painting vs playing. I feel like there are plenty of games you can get invested in that require 0 artistic skill or at least interest, and its not like 40k is a super amazing game anyway. Do books and lore really have this power to force people to jump through hoops to play with little plastic men when they hate the majority of the hobby? Its kind of impressive in a twisted sort of way.
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I know a guy that paid for the night lords kill team, new paints, brushes, wet pallet etc after reading the night lords trilogy. He painted one, then said it was too much effort.

He has multiple armies, all mostly unpainted, and is too ADHD to play even kill team. He's also the sort of guy that will spend $800 on a lego set and then get bored with it halfway through building it. He must have spent over $2,000 on various armies and models that he will absolutely never paint. He straight up gave me like $300 of gw terrain for free because he doesn't enjoy playing (thanks again if you see this bro).

Sadly I think that not only is he the average Warhammer consumer, but I think that gw wants more people to be like him.
 
An Old Salt said:
Sadly I think that not only is he the average Warhammer consumer, but I think that gw wants more people to be like him.
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Pretty much. I’ve seen Reddit WAAC fags posting about how mad they were about balance changes because they went out and bought a bunch of models after seeing a YouTube video about broken and OP rules for some. Also the meta in KT switching so much is probably to drive these changes more than just being simple balancing issues.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I think that GW writing the Imperium as filled with incompetent generals and burrauctats kind of undermines the grimdarkness of the setting since it changes most of the Imperium issues to stem from bad leadership.

It would be far more effective to write the imperium as having a lot of competent well meaning generals, burrauctats and inquisitors, but the Imperium itself being so frayed by this point by time, tradition and enemies that no matter how good the people in it, its collapse is inevitable by sheer entropy.
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Since the beginning, the whole point of 40k is that the Imperium is screwed. Nothing can save it. Not good generalship, not cunning, not even more elite Space Marines with guns that look like cracker boxes, and especially not the intervention of the Emperor. Perhaps due to the nature of the Space Marine faction itself, 40k has become a power fantasy, but I prefer the opposite.
 
Picnic_Boy said:
Since the beginning, the whole point of 40k is that the Imperium is screwed. Nothing can save it. Not good generalship, not cunning, not even the intervention of the Emperor. Perhaps due to the nature of the Space Marine faction itself, 40k has become a power fantasy, but I prefer the opposite.
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I'd say it's less power fantasy and more the mindset that even with all the evil of the galaxy, the good side of humankind shines through. Which is a lot more poignant saying than the boring "Chaos will always win".
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I'd say it's less power fantasy and more the mindset that even with all the evil of the galaxy, the good side of humankind shines through. Which is a lot more poignant saying than the boring "Chaos will always win".
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In all honesty, when I'm reading about 40k, I'm not sure I want a story about the good side of humankind. The opposite, really. Admittedly, my taste in aesthetics and design choices places me in the minority. Marines Malevolent fan, after all.
 
An Old Salt said:
I know a guy that paid for the night lords kill team, new paints, brushes, wet pallet etc after reading the night lords trilogy. He painted one, then said it was too much effort.

He has multiple armies, all mostly unpainted, and is too ADHD to play even kill team. He's also the sort of guy that will spend $800 on a lego set and then get bored with it halfway through building it. He must have spent over $2,000 on various armies and models that he will absolutely never paint. He straight up gave me like $300 of gw terrain for free because he doesn't enjoy playing (thanks again if you see this bro).

Sadly I think that not only is he the average Warhammer consumer, but I think that gw wants more people to be like him.
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Im in this post and I dont like it.

I hope he is medicated because my adhd has me buying a lot of shit but the meds get me focused on painting the shit out of models.

Slower than I buy but you know.
 
AncientPhosphur said:
It should be a chainglaive instead of a spear imo
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YOU GOT YOUR KILL TEAM.
Mr Clark said:
Im in this post and I dont like it.

I hope he is medicated because my adhd has me buying a lot of shit but the meds get me focused on painting the shit out of models.

Slower than I buy but you know.
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Ah, a fellow Chemosian.
 
Picnic_Boy said:
when I'm reading about 40k, I'm not sure I want a story about the good side of humankind.
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idk I need something good to happen in my fiction, it can't all be full of horrible people. That being said, I don't like ultramar being the essential good guy flagship faction for 40k. Tragedy after tragedy occuring in your fiction becomes grating without some sort of catharsis.
It'll never happen but I'd love to see Ahriman have some form of redemption or character development in some way. Restoring the rubricae will never happen sadly but I feel like he and other Chaos characters are doomed to stagnant writing. His codex introductory blurb, "It is an all-too Tzeentchian irony that for all his sorcery, towering intellect and thousands of years of seeking, Ahriman has thus far succeeded only in making matters worse."
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p1138 said:
Ugh, more of this? Every channel in the past month seems to have made a video about paint markers. AK released a range and there's some others out there too.

I dunno, maybe? The biggest problem with speed paints in my experience is the drying time is super short, a longer drying time allows the paint to actually level out reducing brush lines(or accidentally dragging a brush through partially dried paint. it's also one of the reasons thinning them down with a little water tends to help, or just straight up adding retarder). This also seems like it'd eliminate even the possibility of any blending, feathering, or glazing. My primary use of contrast/speed paints is for random bits here and there.. some hair, fur on a cloak, leather pouches/holsters/etc.(works great for that since the variation even on a flat surface that would normally look bad just ends up looking like dirty/worn leather).

I can see some use cases for these, but even Vince's video wasn't very convincing
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Po6wXFbWTvc
edit: Peachy also did a video, and the Army Painter pens are I guess speed paint, and look pretty streaky to me in the footage
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3sF-jyo5w-0
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This screams advertising campaign lmfao.
 
Rimanah said:
Very optimistic of you to think it can’t get worse.
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Never said it can't get worse, because it can get a lot worse obviously. It's just that the more it worsens, the harder it takes for it to continue to get noticeably worse. When you have a giant pile of shit, sure you can add more shit on top of it but it's still just shit. It'll need tons and tons of fecal matter and to have it be thrown at people to make it worse than being a literal pile a shit. If that pile of shit is miles away and downwind from me, it's not my problem. Then again, apathy leads to things getting worse, just know what you can and can't tolerate and be willing to put a stand as early as possible I guess.
Next wave of normies can become more hyperpozzed trannies, that just adds more of the same shit, if those hyperpozzed trannies get into power beyond Plebbit and start making female (or even tranny) Space Marines canon, every new named character is some insufferable female girlboss or massive faggot, and a variety of other nightmarish things not even Morgoth would consider, that's when I'll start giving more shits. Aside from retarded moments in books I don't even pay for, I don't interact with the worst the WH space has to offer, and it's not like I can change it for the better considering any rug I stand under can and will be pull out from beneath me if I so much as sneeze wrong so I can't say I care too much anymore either.
Rimanah said:
Just look at DnD, you can absolutely have a critical role version of 40K and all the horrors that would bring in.
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Same thing with DnD, you're certainly correct but until they take away my books, pdfs, and other material from before that massive fuckery and 5e as a whole, that doesn't bother me too much beyond me shitting on it. It ultimately is barely even CR's fault but for WotC for enshittening DnD and making it easier for the scum of humanity to grab a hold of it, and it is also their fault for supporting them and letting them fuck up their IP. CR is just some worthless actors being cringe at the end of the day.
Not trying to downplay the madness CR brung though, because it would have been a lot better if it didn't exist, let's just hope someone doesn't make a CR version of 40K. Given how grimdark 40k can still be and-like you said-GW still sitting in their Ivory tower and ignoring the world, it would be a lot less successful.
 
A day doesnt pass in this thread without some retard banging the same tired drum off "REEEE!!! DA WOKIES!! FEMALE/TROON SPASHE MAWINES!!! DEY WANNA TAKE MUH HOBBY!!!" wonder if you can make into a drinking game.
 
The tired cat said:
A day doesnt pass in this thread without some retard banging the same tired drum off "REEEE!!! DA WOKIES!! FEMALE/TROON SPASHE MAWINES!!! DEY WANNA TAKE MUH HOBBY!!!" wonder if you can make into a drinking game.
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I've thought of this before, and posted something close to this but probably not as blunt. Is it possible we've got actual transphobes in this thread? Hear me out.

I'm a man who goes to the game store and plays 40k. If I see a 40k youtube channel constantly featuring a tranny(or really anything I don't like) I just don't watch it(unless it's something like morbid curiosity to see what midwit minis is up to). If I know the person at the game store looking for a game is a tranny, I'm too busy and not available to play at that moment. If I drop a message saying I'm looking for a game and a tranny replies, well something just came up so can't play with them. There aren't even that many anyway. Paired with a tranny at a tournament? Ok fine, I'll just play with no casual conversation about anything and move the fuck on.

My point is, I don't let trannies dictate what my hobbies can and cannot be simply because the trannies exist. Meanwhile we've got people posting like they're in a constant state of fear of these faggots. Trannies love to call everyone who doesn't like them a transphobe, but most of the time it's disgust and not a fear of trannies. I'm not afraid of trannies, but they do disgust me. But why do so many people let the existence of trannies dictate how anything happens in their lives? Can't enjoy something because trannies. Can't play a game because trannies. Can't read a book because trannies. Can't do anything with 40k because trannies. Can't do anything with D&D because trannies... why do you have trannies at your D&D table in the first fucking place? This sounds to me like a fear of trannies.

If the trannies can't get a pick up game in with 90% of the player population, and can't claim that people are telling them to their face it's because they're trannies, then they'll go the fuck away because they can't do anything about it. It's more passive gatekeeping than anything but you can't do it if you're not there at all.
 
p1138 said:
I'm a man who goes to the game store and plays 40k. If I see a 40k youtube channel constantly featuring a tranny(or really anything I don't like) I just don't watch it(unless it's something like morbid curiosity to see what midwit minis is up to). If I know the person at the game store looking for a game is a tranny, I'm too busy and not available to play at that moment. If I drop a message saying I'm looking for a game and a tranny replies, well something just came up so can't play with them. There aren't even that many anyway. Paired with a tranny at a tournament? Ok fine, I'll just play with no casual conversation about anything and move the fuck on
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I cannot speak from huge experience, I had only one gamd with a tranny during like a small tourney at my local store, an we both had mostly a convo over how BS and broken Thousands sons were in 9th (the army they were playing ironically)
 
The tired cat said:
I cannot speak from huge experience, I had only one gamd with a tranny during like a small tourney at my local store, an we both had mostly a convo over how BS and broken Thousands sons were in 9th (the army they were playing ironically)
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I've had to deal with trannies a couple of times, one was at a small tournament the other was at a big one. Just played the game and moved on. What are they going to do, complain that I didn't want to chit chat? And the one regular tranny at one of the local stores, I just ignore them. And other than that... that's about it playing multiple times a month for a few years now? The disproportionate number of trannies on youtube and reddit isn't reflective of what I've ever seen at the store. Hell I've run into more black people than trannies and even they tend to be well behaved, can speak properly, bathe, etc.(even black people admit there's a difference between blacks and niggers). And sure, I don't want trannies invading everything else, writing all of the lore etc(it's a game company that started with a bunch of progressive artist types decades ago, liberals have always been there).

I just don't get the fear of trannies. wtf are they going to do, beat you up? This is 40k, not women's sports.
 
The thing that really got me into the painting was the lore, first with Mortarion’s primarch novel, then the others. Prior to Actually picking up a paint brush, I enjoyed the writing you have and how the primarchs mirror each other. Take Sanguinius and Fulgrim for example, Fulgrim embodying the obsession with perfection on all things, versus Sanguinius’ burden of perfection. The lore in my opinion, even with the constant retcons and dubious information makes it feel more uncertain and dark, granted that they use the untrustworthy narrator trope too much.
 
Picnic_Boy said:
In all honesty, when I'm reading about 40k, I'm not sure I want a story about the good side of humankind. The opposite, really. Admittedly, my taste in aesthetics and design choices places me in the minority. Marines Malevolent fan, after all.
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I'm okay with humanity being villains sometimes, but it is almost always written as them being suicidally evil to the point it just takes you out of it. Having evil people do the right thing because it will help them in the long run is better writing than them engaging in mutual destruction.
Rimanah said:
Just look at DnD, you can absolutely have a critical role version of 40K and all the horrors that would bring in.
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I don't see it short of massive amount of homebrew.
The normal tabletop is too autistic for normies, the RP is too hard.

The thing about Critical Role is that it's normie bait of a GM railroading the party using 5e's "you need to be absolutely retarded to die". There is no actual turmoil or stakes, with giving the party gift after gift and fidgeting the rolls to make "cinematic moments".
 
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