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This always makes me laugh. 2 meters is only like 6'5 so they aren't even being described as large as NBA players.
Yeah the average is something like a little over 6'6" for the NBA and of course players can be way taller than that. But even 6'5", 6'6" that's nothing you can find people that height just out at the grocery store. And sometimes that "over 2 meters tall!" is in power armor. It also doesn't help when they describe things looking small in the hands of a space marine.

Shaq is 7'1" and is a big guy, but he's still not even the tallest.
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But with the way space marines are described, everyone should be shitting their pants in terror if they ever see Shaq in person.
I can't remember where I read this so take it with a grain of salt but I'm pretty sure the average human in 40K is only around 5ft tall.
Interesting. I've wondered about that but I had never found anything to indicate the height of normal humans other than being clearly under 2 meters tall(lol). But this is GW, working with numbers is one of the things that they're the worst at. Fucking society of oompa loompas.
 
Its funny all of you writing down that 6'5-7ft isnt intimidating. You guys are as bad as scale creepers. Not to mention space marines arent string been basket ball players or Shaq. Theyre built like refrigerators. In this case its more of a failure of you guys not being able to imagine correctly.
Nigger how much of a manlet are you that tall people are inherently scary? Because that is what's specifically being made fun of.
 
Its funny all of you writing down that 6'5-7ft isnt intimidating. You guys are as bad as scale creepers. Not to mention space marines arent string been basket ball players or Shaq. Theyre built like refrigerators. In this case its more of a failure of you guys not being able to imagine correctly.
Says the baby in the room.
 
Its funny all of you writing down that 6'5-7ft isnt intimidating. You guys are as bad as scale creepers. Not to mention space marines arent string been basket ball players or Shaq. Theyre built like refrigerators. In this case its more of a failure of you guys not being able to imagine correctly.
Maybe if you're like a 5'5 manlet 6'1 and 6'6 is like a head apart it's not that drastic.
 
Old lore was Marines were average 7ft unarmoured, around 8 with it then now primaris are noticeably bigger (Alpha Legion story makes that point, Custodes too) than before so probably 8ft unarmoured plus majority of the Imperium sees them as almost mythic at times which is where the trans human dread normal people experience is triggered by how fast they react or move for said size
 
If I dont get a kill team of Death Company blood angels with a sick new chaplain Im going to fucking riot. Assault terminators, frankly GW should just lean hard as fuck into upgrade sprues. Ive got no idea why they've decided to genericify their marines and also make the upgrade sprues fucking garbo. Also, why no chaos upgrade sprues? Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, and Word Bearers would all really benefit from it.
Upgrade sprues are expensive but maaaan the bling it brings is amazing. They should make way more available.

It makes Death Company more complicated than it needs to be but it is what it is.
 
Those old death company are hard to beat. Ill stick with those. In fact I should buy some more sang guard and death company before those kits jack up in price more since theyre oop
 
Old lore was Marines were average 7ft unarmoured, around 8 with it then now primaris are noticeably bigger (Alpha Legion story makes that point, Custodes too) than before so probably 8ft unarmoured plus majority of the Imperium sees them as almost mythic at times which is where the trans human dread normal people experience is triggered by how fast they react or move for said size
Exactly. It's not just that they're tall. They're generally just larger than anything that looks human should be, much, much faster than anything that size has a right to be, and their proportions just feel off to unaugmented humans. Dan Abnett is actually pretty good at communicating how Space Marines look to normal people. He described one Ultramarine in Know No Fear as being "tall as one big man on another big man's shoulders, broad as any three muscle-heavy athletes, his bulk augmented by the gleaming ceramite plate of Praetor-pattern armour."

Then there's this snippet from Little Horus:

"The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn’t annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear.

But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two metres tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another."

And this:

"Though there was no disguising his inhumanity, especially in this bared form. Apart from the sheer mass of him, there was the overgrown gigantism of the face, that particular characteristic of the Astartes, almost equine, plus the hard, taut shell of his rib-less torso, like stretched canvas."
 
Its funny all of you writing down that 6'5-7ft isnt intimidating. You guys are as bad as scale creepers. Not to mention space marines arent string been basket ball players or Shaq. Theyre built like refrigerators. In this case its more of a failure of you guys not being able to imagine correctly.
if only we had ~2M plus people who were built like tanks with tons of muscle. Oh wait we do.
I’ll grant you that space marines are meant to be about 300-400 lbs heavier than your average WSM competitor, but frankly based off most art I’d say a fair amount of that is from the changes to their bone structure.

But even assuming that extra weight is all muscle, frankly a lean, 700lb Brian Shaw still isn’t causing existential dread in most people just by seeing him.
Edit: ofc, charging straight at you at Olympic sprinter speeds or whatever is very a different story, but that’s not what’s being discussed here
 
if only we had ~2M plus people who were built like tanks with tons of muscle. Oh wait we do.
I’ll grant you that space marines are meant to be about 300-400 lbs heavier than your average WSM competitor, but frankly based off most art I’d say a fair amount of that is from the changes to their bone structure.

But even assuming that extra weight is all muscle, frankly a lean, 700lb Brian Shaw still isn’t causing existential dread in most people just by seeing him.
Edit: ofc, charging straight at you at Olympic sprinter speeds or whatever is very a different story, but that’s not what’s being discussed here
None of these people have the build of a space marine, frankly there arent even close. Also the space marines back so much extra weight because they are WIDER, not just because of the extra organs, they have like 2 whole organs dedicated to muscle growth. If you are posting a person and saying "this is what a space marine should look like" you have fundamentally how they are visually described in a majority of the novels. They arent proportioned liked normal people, their skin is supposed rough and textured with veins upon veins, and most of their faces are what only a mother could love, there old human features stretching and contorting to fit their new none human skull. (none withstanding the ones described to be blessed with a semi normal looking face)
 
Its funny all of you writing down that 6'5-7ft isnt intimidating. You guys are as bad as scale creepers. Not to mention space marines arent string been basket ball players or Shaq. Theyre built like refrigerators. In this case its more of a failure of you guys not being able to imagine correctly.
First, you've just indicated you're a manlet. If there are countries where 6' is the average(and it is only a few, but if you drop it to 5'11" then it starts to become dozens), then the upper end of that bell curve for height means 6'6" is not some freakshow rarity as if it's still the 1600s and most people are subsistence farmers.
Second, Shaq even when he was playing wasn't a string bean. Even Yao Ming the damned chinese guy who is 7'6" was over 300 pounds.
Third, in addition to the WSM competitors that Rimanah brought up, the average UFC heavyweight height is still 6'3".

None of these people have the build of a space marine, frankly there arent even close. Also the space marines back so much extra weight because they are WIDER, not just because of the extra organs, they have like 2 whole organs dedicated to muscle growth. If you are posting a person and saying "this is what a space marine should look like" you have fundamentally how they are visually described in a majority of the novels. They arent proportioned liked normal people, their skin is supposed rough and textured with veins upon veins, and most of their faces are what only a mother could love, there old human features stretching and contorting to fit their new none human skull. (none withstanding the ones described to be blessed with a semi normal looking face)
No one said they weren't wider. The problem comes from the shitty descriptions that seem to imply the BL authors can't handle numbers like usual, or are a bunch of midgets. It's never written as someone turning a corner on a imperial navy ship and being intimidated by someone twice the width of a normal man, it's "over 2 meters tall" well 2 meters doesn't amount to shit unless you're a damned oompa loompa. It'd be like trying to describe someone as rich by saying they had "over ten thousand dollars", as if that's benchmark for rarity.
 
None of these people have the build of a space marine, frankly there arent even close.
Ok pal
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Truly, these marines out of armor from official GW art and animations really are of vastly different builds and proportions than this
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And this
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Yep, definitely leagues and worlds of difference, not even worthy of comparison. :roll:
 
Ok pal
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Truly, these marines out of armor from official GW art and animations really are of vastly different builds and proportions than this
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And this
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Yep, definitely leagues and worlds of difference, not even worthy of comparison. :roll:
Why are you showing me a primaris space marine? Also we are talking about how marines are described in novels, the same places where "transhuman dread" is described as a concept. Not some 2 minute trailer gw shit out for 9th edition. Also
>showing modern digital art primaris space marines
Fuck bro, new fags I shiggydiggy.

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Why are you showing me a primaris space marine? Also we are talking about how marines are described in novels, the same places where "transhuman dread" is described as a concept. Not some 2 minute trailer gw shit out for 9th edition. Also
>showing modern digital art primaris space marines
Fuck bro, new fags I shiggydiggy.

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>showing marines in armor
Ok retard. Let’s put Brian Shaw and Halfthor in Mk. 7 or Cataphactii armor then and compare them. Unless you’re dumb enough to actually think that power armor isn’t going to change the look and proportions of marines at all.

Frankly, I don’t know why you’re so invested in defending GW writing something that doesn’t make sense. They do it all the time, look at land raiders having armor that’s steel equivalent is far less than the Abrams. The bongs in Nottingham don’t know shit about war, guns, or like 75% the things they write about. It’s part of the fun.

Well, Steel is bad enough to scare me shitless tbf
 
>showing marines in armor
Ok retard. Let’s put Brian Shaw and Halfthor in Mk. 7 or Cataphactii armor then and compare them. Unless you’re dumb enough to actually think that power armor isn’t going to change the look and proportions of marines at all.
Oh no he is stupid! If you think any of the armor I posted would fit proportionally on a human with normal proportions you need your head checked! Look at where the shoulders and arms are in relation to the rest of the body buddy!

Its been a well known fact since ive been invested in the hobby that the codexs, black library novels, and the art work from them and other sources actually do a terrible job at lining up to themselves. Its I dont particularly care if its defending or attacking gw, that doesnt factor in on the side i take on anything. But also comparing a element like "transhuman dread" to the objective qualities of a land raider or a gun is just a retarded comparison and its not the same as trying to defend GW saying there is only like 100,000 space marines or whatever in 40k and that you can kill CSM with blow darts. The concept of tanshuman dread existed a decade (almost 2?) before the primaris marines youve posted came out. In the era of black library writings of the time circa the early-mid 2000s(transhuman dread being specified by name first in Horus Rising iirc, but people were written to be intimidated by space marines before then), space marines where described as frankenstein esque mosters, that yes, indeed stood over 2 meters tall. The argument comes in on whether an armored person at "over 2 meaters" can be intimidating by just being around. Now regardless on were you stand on that particular part of the argument, it is a completely different thing. The people making the complain about "space marines are too short to be intimidating" seem to be under the impression that the marines written in that era where the concept of trans human dread was introduced are just Guys that are exactly 6.5 feet tall. No the marines in that era are described in the actual books described to be freakish looking dysgenics (besides exceptions like the handsome blood angels) that are an uncanny valley representation of humans that stand at some height "over 2 meters tall". Which is odd because anyone reading the novels were "transhuman dread" is a thing they even care to talk about, would know that description of space marines. So the people complaining A) read those books and forgot, or B) get all their lore from a codex but somehow know about transhuman dread or C) They are just fags that get their lore from youtube and the wiki. Now I dont read a lot of modern primaris novels, but if I were to guess Id imagine that the branding doesnt really match up to modern interpretation, because gw rebranded space marines in 2018. I wouldnt be surprised if "transhuman dread" as a concept died when primaris were introduced in modern black library writing.
 
Shit, there's white and asian NBA players taller than 6'6". That's not even a rare height unless everyone in the future is a midget. If it were "2 and a half meters" or something it'd be a bit more meaningful.
I always assumed Spess Mehrines were around 7 feet tall. Big enough to be imposing without being ludicrously impractical. Same height for Eldar, naturally, given they're typically described as being of a similar height.

And of course some SM are going to be taller or shorter based on their primarch, so you get Alpha Legionaries who are around the 6'6" height which would allow them to infiltrate easier disguised as humans, World Eaters not much taller since Angron was a bit of an angry stump, and then at the biggest end you've got the Salamanders, who like Vulkan are bigger than all their relatives.
But they already brought back 2 Primarchs and just… haven’t done anything with them. Outside of Dark Imperium novels Guilliman is just excel spreadsheeting the Imperium.
Which is perfectly in character for the dude, unfortunately. One brilliant general can do a hell of a lot less to unfuck things than one brilliant administrator.
 
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