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Rimanah said:
Leandros fucked up by handing Titus over to Inquisitor Thrax instead of following the proper chapter procedures for handling potentially chaos infected or heretical marines.
Had he followed proper procedure, Titus would have been subjected to testing by the Chaplaincy, Librarium, and Apothcarium, and dealt with appropriately. Furthermore, they’d had dealt with the codex infractions Leandros was so concerned with, as seen in Dead Sun, Black Sky and Courage and Honour when Cpt. Ventris had to deal with the same process for his Codex infractions. By failing to adhere to this process set forth in the Codex by RG himself, Leandros is at the very least a massive hypocrite.
The err of his actions is further shown when you look at the actual inquisitor who he handed Titus over to, a radical who didn’t trust space marines, believed all of them were guilty even when his own psychic tests showed otherwise, and ignored the requests from Calgar to return Titus.
This is before getting into the question of if an Ordo Malleus inquisitor was the proper person to hand Titus over to instead of Ordo Hereticus.

In short, Titus did some wrong, so did Leandros. Neither are perfect, and both ignored the Words of our Spiritual Liege. Both should properly be punished.
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Realistically what would've even happened if Titus told Thrax and Leandros to eat shit?

Would the Inquisition even have the nuts to start a whole incident with the Ultramarines over something like this?
 
I’m loving the axe so far. At least on vanguard zipping in and hitting those wide arcs just looks badass to me, really feels more aggressive than the other melee weapons. Think ultimately I still prefer the combat knife but need to get some more time with the axe first
 
does anyone know where i can pirate the new warhammer+ slop shows like iron within and interrogator

Streamio doesnt seem to host any streams of them and i cant find any further info on them
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Realistically what would've even happened if Titus told Thrax and Leandros to eat shit?

Would the Inquisition even have the nuts to start a whole incident with the Ultramarines over something like this?
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They probably would have just killed him then and there and chalk it up to corruption. There would be no need to pick a fight with the 500 worlds of ultramar.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Realistically what would've even happened if Titus told Thrax and Leandros to eat shit?

Would the Inquisition even have the nuts to start a whole incident with the Ultramarines over something like this?
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Hard to say, Thrax had a squad of Templars with him, so @Love Machine is probably right they’d just have killed him and Leandros too for good measure and then chalk it up as normal casualties. Thrax was a radical too, so something like that is definitely a possibility.
Calgar also didn’t escalate things even when Thrax refused to release Titus, so I think it’s likely he’d not have done it in this hypothetical case either.

Tbh though it wouldn’t be unprecedented if the inquisition and a first founding chapter got into a slap fight. Wolves and GK+Inquisition got into it during the months of shame after 1st Armageddon. But having the UM and 500 worlds against them may have spiraled more. Hard to tell.
 
I'm drawing my own autistic Toji Fushiguro as a Space Wolf today.
Autistic, yes.
 
Rimanah said:
Tbh though it wouldn’t be unprecedented if the inquisition and a first founding chapter got into a slap fight.
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The Inquisition loves fucking with the Astartes whenever they can. Remember the infamous Ork snipers? I'm pretty sure the Inquisition has taken the Celestial Lions buddying up with the Black Templars as a result of all that about as well as they take anything else that thwarts them, even temporarily.
 
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First time ive sat down and read a full blown Heresy Book and the quality is definitely night and day as far as the sheer amount of content and drama. There's a LOT of stuff going on, from the opening invasion of the false imperium, to the starship troopers fights on the world of murder and finally the tragic star trek meeting at the end. I was pretty engrossed in this story and the direction it took. It also works extremely well as a follow up to the Last church, as there was even some lore and terminology the tied right back into it.

The Luna wolves were interesting to get a bead on because while they are loyal and doing their jobs, there were already significant problems in the legion and its purpose. Marines are already keeping secrets from each other with the lodges and Horus the first time he shows up was cagey enough for me to think he already was doing some dicey things behind the emperor's back. I like Horus and he is competent, but he was very clearly promoted above his station by big E making him warmaster. At the end of the day Horus isn't just a fighter, he's a guy that likes wheeling and dealing, But because of what seems like parental favoritism, Horus is pigeonholed into inflexible situations because of the emperor's edict. He doesn't have all the tools and rules needed to be as diplomatic as he wants. ( And he is capable of it, as Loken briefly reveals he brought a literal Mexican fiesta world into compliance with no bloodshed) Horus is running into moral/diplomatic problems he was never briefed or prepared for and it's overwhelming him.

At the very least he needed a Co-Warmaster, someone to bounce off of and share the pressure like Sanguinius, as the moment he leaves is when shit was guaranteed to hit the fan. Even if everything worked out Horus was already in conflict with the Imperium's policy. Realizing how bad an idea Tithes and taxes were on freshly conquered territory and worked to delay or ignore them. I liked the politics of the wolves and the whole council thing Horus has got going, but its clear they were not equipped to give him guidance to the emperor's edicts and how far to bend them. I find myself thinking Rob or Sanguinius, would probably have been a better warmaster. Of course that leaves the problem of Erebus.

I liked how subtle Erebus was. There's absolutely no indication he's the bad guy until the end, even then he's very low key. Probably the only Primarch who could have found him out would be Magnus assuming he could read his mind.

Planet 63-19 was very interesting but sparce on details. We don't really get a feel for the people's culture and mindset and that feels very deliberate. Like maybe we are supposed to wonder if they are time displaced colonists of imperial faith. The false emperor has no real character, but the old man who was talking for him was interesting for mimicking the dynamic between Malcador and Big E



The world of Murder was great. Love how it straight up turns into the 40k version of starship troopers with the emperor's children leading the charge and just barely having their dumbasses survive. The EC made a strong showing and I must admit Lucus was pretty charming and had the funniest scene ("I love these bugs, lets take a couple alive so I can have pet sparring partners)

The Interex federation were really cool and packed with lore for the screentime they had. I did not realize how alien they were and looked. Their whole culture has perfected soundwaves, with their bodies being altered to match, not to mention a better understanding of technology and the warp with the help of the Eldar. I appreciated that while they had alien allies, they admitted that this was a rare thing and that most alien encounters did not end well. We also got a good grasp of just how small they are. They've only got about 30 systems, which while not an approximate number of how many planets they have, it suggests they are smaller then the Tau empire . (Tau have between several hundred and a thousand planets) So it's not hard to see how the Imperium steam rolls them. The Interex has good beam weaponry that pierces armor, but they lack the strength to face space marine's in melee and lose the numbers game. Frankly most of the blame for the diplomatic and tactical snafu's rests with them. ( They don't attempt to examine or explain chaos taint, show everyone where all the unguarded cursed demonic weaponry is and take a suspectedly hostile demonic power directly to their fucking border world and paint a picture of where everything is) They definitely needed more screentime and it sucks to hear that they all get killed off screen in the next novel.



Loken is a fantastic POV character for seeing the inner workings of the Luna wolves/ Horus while participating in conflicts. There's enough introspection and thoughtfulness to make him stand out from most but at the same time he still does a good job setting the Astartes apart from humanity. ( Has no concept of attraction and his idea of mercy for a dying enemy solder is to cut his head off) I liked how most of the time he's caught up in events rather then say acting like an idiot that sets things in motion.

The remembrancers were a fun stupid idea. I mean it makes sense to have reporters and chroniclers on paper, but these guys have the sensibilities of 1940's reporters when it comes to conveying the reality and pain of war. Which is to say there's a lot of propaganda and little substance. I was more amused then anything else at the idea that ever space marine company was assigned these poor bastards. (Im assuming the survival rates are not high.)

Miscellaneous: I was surprised the term iconoclast was used this early and that emperor worship was as widespread a thing back then. Makes sense that worship still exists though. You cant kill god so much as destroy the bridge people take to heaven.




The Bogwater Flows On said:
I was a Blood Angels fan since looking at Sanguinius and going "Wing Man cool" but that book, several short stories, and the old Metal as fuck comicbook kept me a major fan of theirs.
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If im not mistaken they were the poster boys before the Ultramarines right? They were the first set of comics for the old magazine anyway.

Humble Architect said:
The Reivers on the other hand look fucking stupid, like all the Primaris abortions in the “variant” armors.
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No they look pretty cool. You know what's absolutely fucking retarded?

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This furry monster, and it isn't locked to one skin in Space marine 2 anymore. Any fag can wear the helmet now that the champion DLC/season pass armor pieces can be individually worn by classes with the new patch.

The new patch is pretty good for armor though. They've introduced all the old 40k shit people actually want... behind the store. Although Even without the store and season pass there is a decent chunk of armor to unlock. They have a new mission with chaos spawn and astropath enemies that's pretty cool. Also multiplayer feels a lot more filled out with a chaos vs chaos gamemode that has playable dreadnaughts.

They fucked up with chaos though. They get new armor pieces, but its locked to one skin like champions. I cant mix and match the pieces I don't want. otherwise the content is looking like its in a better place. The ax feels nice


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Also got to play the space marine 2 holodeck VR game on lethal difficulty. It's fun but difficult. There's no melee AT ALL. (dont want people swinging hands into each other). You've got one gun, limited ammo Pickups, friendly fire (stay the fuck away from the flamethrower guy) and two sets of 3 grenades. Stun grenades don't electrify, they just slow down bugs but they dont do friendly fire. The flying bugs are an insane pain in the ass on hard. It's a fun experience but you have to seriously fight against the urge to Turtle and not move when in combat.
 
Michael Wade said:
First time ive sat down and read a full blown Heresy Book and the quality is definitely night and day as far as the sheer amount of content and drama.
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That's because the first 4 heresy books were written before they were seen to be popular enough to stretch it into a mess of 50+(not including the primarchs series, various short stories, other character books, the siege of terra series, etc.) books of massively varying quality.

Michael Wade said:
If im not mistaken they were the poster boys before the Ultramarines right? They were the first set of comics for the old magazine anyway.
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For a very short time it was Blood Angels and Dark angels, just the same as it was Black Templars for a bit(really just depended on what John Blanche and some others felt like drawing) . But mostly it was Crimson Fists.
 
MaltaMan said:
does anyone know where i can pirate the new warhammer+ slop shows like iron within and interrogator

Streamio doesnt seem to host any streams of them and i cant find any further info on them
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Yeah I got iron Within through a ChatGPt weirdness. I was asking the same question and it said "whatever you do don't go to kimcartoon 2turnsearch16" (wtf?)
I knew kimcartoon didn't have it so I googled "iron Within 2turnsearch16" and it brought me to an internet archive page with the movie. I was gonna just bookmark it but something told me to download it, was gone the next day.

I posted a link for it at a free movie site on @Belisarius Cawl s profile. Also interrogator is on pirate bay, hammer and bolter is at wcostream.com
 
Michael Wade said:
The remembrancers were a fun stupid idea. I mean it makes sense to have reporters and chroniclers on paper, but these guys have the sensibilities of 1940's reporters when it comes to conveying the reality and pain of war. Which is to say there's a lot of propaganda and little substance.
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To be fair, it's implied that making propaganda is the reason they're out there. The pre-Heresy Imperium and the Emperor talk a big game about the Imperial Truth and a culture based on knowledge, enlightenment, and reason, but it's also pretty obvious that they're coating a lot of lies and nastiness in a shiny candy shell of propaganda, and the remembrancers are a big part of that. They're there to make the Great Crusade look like a glorious and magnificent undertaking for the sake of all mankind, as opposed to the bloody, brutal conquest that it often is. You get a hint of that in Horus Rising when Keeler and Sindermann and those other redshirt remembrancers go up to the Whisperheads and see for themselves what it looks like when the Astartes are let loose and are sick to their stomachs. They're so used to portraying the Space Marines as these shining knights that seeing the reality of what they do is a complete shock.

In that vein, one of my favorite short stories in the Heresy series is about a remembrancer who gets herself assigned to the Night Lords to see some real action, so Curze and Sevatar take her down to a planet that they've just conquered and show her the Legion herding the captured civilians en masse into their own geothermal vents. She's rightly horrified and says she'll find some way to get her footage back to Terra, and Curze tells her that was the whole idea, that he wants the citizens of the Imperium to see what's being done in their name, plus he'll use the footage to terrorize other noncompliant worlds into surrender.
 
Michael Wade said:
Loken is a fantastic POV character for seeing the inner workings of the Luna wolves/ Horus while participating in conflicts. There's enough introspection and thoughtfulness to make him stand out from most but at the same time he still does a good job setting the Astartes apart from humanity. ( Has no concept of attraction and his idea of mercy for a dying enemy solder is to cut his head off) I liked how most of the time he's caught up in events rather then say acting like an idiot that sets things in motion.
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Michael Wade said:
At the very least he needed a Co-Warmaster
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Loken is kinda like Ned Stark in the sense that his integrity is so incorruptible that it will ultimately cost him. Horus picks him for the Mournival because he knows Loken will be the contrarian and tell him uncomfortable truths, instead of being a simpering yes-man like Abaddon or Little Horus.

But then Erebus came along with his bag of Jewish tricks.
Second Missing Primarch said:
To be fair, it's implied that making propaganda is the reason they're out there.
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IIRC some of those remembrancers, like Sindermann and Lemuel whats-his-name from A Thousand Sons, go on to become founding members of the Inquisition.
 
Second Missing Primarch said:
In that vein, one of my favorite short stories in the Heresy series is about a remembrancer who gets herself assigned to the Night Lords to see some real action, so Curze and Sevatar take her down to a planet that they've just conquered and show her the Legion herding the captured civilians en masse into their own geothermal vents. She's rightly horrified and says she'll find some way to get her footage back to Terra, and Curze tells her that was the whole idea, that he wants the citizens of the Imperium to see what's being done in their name, plus he'll use the footage to terrorize other noncompliant worlds into surrender.
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Curze is the real one, doing it for the content.
 
Second Missing Primarch said:
They're so used to portraying the Space Marines as these shining knights that seeing the reality of what they do is a complete shock.
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One of the funniest parts of False Gods is when they punch and trample the rubbernecking civilians as they're rushing to medevac Horus. Get outta the way, bitch.
 
I'm doing Spear of The Emperor, and so far I'm digging these guys. Tribalistic Ultramarines is neat. The Mentor we're following, however, comes off like a real cunt and a half. I can see why they aren't well liked if this is their usual demeanor.
Also by who's fucking authority are the Mentors able to do their shtick? They're an unknown quantity. Their founding and lineage is a mystery. Who is giving them the right to shadow other chapters to learn their cultures and shit? Untrustworthy.
 
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