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Okay but chaos are the good guys and the Imperium are the bad guys
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The Bogwater Flows On
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WRONG!
MY GUYS are the good guys, and YOUR GUYS are the bad guys. Unless, your guys are teaming with my guys. Then they are both the good guys. For a single fight
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Didn’t see it posted, but the Quarterly Balance Patch was released early
From discussion I’ve seen elsewhere, Orks, elder and Ad mech are big winners; Knights of both flavours and 1K sons are biggest losers
From discussion I’ve seen elsewhere, Orks, elder and Ad mech are big winners; Knights of both flavours and 1K sons are biggest losers
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Look, I’ve done some thinking in accordance with a bit of a life change and I’m not recanting my statements, Horus was only guilty of being based and lil bit retarded (we can all relate to going a bit nuts) but you gotta think of it this way.
On one side, there are yellow men who are a chapter of shit-eaters and on the other, there are autistic men in hazard stripes, LITERALLY sneeding, breeding and feeding fat women to secure a future for the astartes race.
Moral of the story is cut your dick off to resist the bad feel-feels and make Ferrus kick a chair out in hell.
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I'd imagine it would be like experiencing an alligator death-roll. Somehow it would be even more violent and terrifying.
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I'm reading the Kharn book right now, fucking love Kharn. World Eaters are living this cursed existence where they're doomed to tear their legion apart and inevitably will slip into psychosis, living with the butcher's nails is hellish. Trying to maintain any sense of coherency when any guy in the room might snap for any given reason is borderline impossible. They're not just angry axe guys (though they are that), they're a different take on the entropy and inevitable sense of desperation that surrounds 40k as a setting.
Kharn himself isn't the most twisted, over the top, most angry dude in the room. He's a measured tactician, honing in on the task at hand and plowing forward with brutal efficiency. He's what the World Eaters should have been, which ironically puts him in the position of being the duct tape that holds the whole rickety thing together. He's doomed to his own hell, being deemed a champion of Khorne and having to deal with psycho retards all day. He doesn't have any sense of satisfaction left and doesn't even have a concrete, long term goal, but is just as stuck as the rest of them.
Good book, big recommend from me.
Kharn himself isn't the most twisted, over the top, most angry dude in the room. He's a measured tactician, honing in on the task at hand and plowing forward with brutal efficiency. He's what the World Eaters should have been, which ironically puts him in the position of being the duct tape that holds the whole rickety thing together. He's doomed to his own hell, being deemed a champion of Khorne and having to deal with psycho retards all day. He doesn't have any sense of satisfaction left and doesn't even have a concrete, long term goal, but is just as stuck as the rest of them.
Good book, big recommend from me.
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The best legions are the ones that get fucked into the dirt or expedite others getting pulled into the shit.
Kharn being able to go, “Okay what the fuck, guys?!” while still being patient zero for the kill-computers is hilarious and sad. His final talks with Lorgar and Angron at the end of Betrayer is some of the best 40k writing. He’s fucked, the legion is fucked and Lorgar snake-oiled them and is done with them, his offering to Khorne is done.
It’s like the Hands becoming everything Ferrus didn’t want them to be, unrestrained, kill-crazy tech heretics who hate themselves and are stuck forever hating themselves in the idea they weren’t good enough. Of all the legions, those guys embody fatherless behaviour the most, they are eternally trying to be “good enough” for a dead man they claim to hate. It’s sad, funny in how nuts they are and it’s the setting in a nutshell.
All the traitors except the AL go through it, on the loyalists, it’s just the Terra gang and the Istvaan gang but I imagine the Scouring books will even it out.
The DG on Terra are another brutal one, they know how badly they fucked up and some are already going manic (the jolly ones) with fever, others are pissed (the kill everything ones) and others are sinking in despair (Mortarion) because they weren’t good enough. Yet they still have the gall to call the White Scars “savages” despite using little Monsters Inc rejects as phones.
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To be fair, in the White Scars omnibus, one of the Scars ramps a bike off of a downed Tau ship, flying through the air and landing it right on a commie cranium. That was pretty fuckin savage.
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DG were written really well in the Siege of Terra. I can't think of any other portrayal of Nurggers that I enjoyed. Every other traitor legion seemed like they were all pretty similar in attitude/outlook, but the DG ranged from apathetic to berserk to euphoric.
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Yeah, they’re based, they’re the rare chad Asian and even the Terrans (white guys) felt bad about suggesting turning traitor when the Khan charisma’d them into redemptive Obi-Wan tactics.
The Khan is one of the few Primarchs where I’m like, “Yeah, I’d follow that guy, he’s cool, I could have a beer with him.” He does not give a fuck and that’s why their glow-up is so good.
Plus he called Fulgrim gay, that’s fucking hilarious. One of the “cowboy” Primarchs just sees this fop and revs his truck, spits his tobacco, calls him a queer and drives off firing his full auto bolter while blasting divorced dad rock.
Pretty much. They stop and realize they don't have all of the information when getting varied reports during the heresy. Decide to look into shit on their own before deciding what to do. Still actually try to have rational discussions before lashing out like emotional retards. Find a way to get back to Terra to assist when they realize a group of fuckwits want to make everything worse than it already is. The Khan was able to mandate to the emperor to leave Chogoris alone. He didn't treat the terran white scars like bastard stepchildren. Let his fuck up kids redeem themselves by damn near killing Mortarion.
But more importantly, called Fulgrim a faggot.
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Typhon betrayed his legion so nurgke would pozzload his neghole and Mortarion is still more pathetic than he is.
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And this is why Chris Wraight is one of my favorite BL authors. Dude knows how to write for both of those legions and make them interesting, layered, and sympathetic.
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Does anyone have the Lord of Change Happy Merchant? It is a favorite of mine.
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Wraight is the only BL writer that can write any legion, he does the work and understands the assignment, it’s not like ADB where they all blend together and he uses the same format.
Wraight’s Scars, EC, DG, IH, Wolves all feel unique. He should’ve gotten the job as head of narrative or whatever Aaron got. Guy is a pro and is honestly leagues above this pulp, I could see him becoming a great if he wanted to make something for himself. Nothing but good things to say about him.
Mortarion’s homophobia was well-known but he still got buttfucked by a fat man. He even got pulled aside by Eidolon and told, “Do or don’t, keep fucking around in the middle and you will find out.”
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Just wrapping up Know No Fear, the audio book version narrated by gareth armstrong. Ive been trying to get through it for like a year but every time the book goes from "holy shit my cousin legion is betraying me my GOD this is literally so fucked, Brother Demetrian got turned inside out by a fucking demon spider creature WHAT THE FUCK" into the Oll Pearson/John Grammaticus shitfest I click off for another month. Its so jarring to put two characters I literally could not give less of a shit about in a book thats focused on THE bad guys (The Word Bearers) and THE good guys (The Ultramarines) of the HH.
some spoilers ahead: This is basically where Guilliman realizes that shits all fucked up, and Lorgars all retarded, and its barely went over from the perspective of the Primarchs. He's gone 90% of the book, Lorgar fucks off as soon as he throws a demon at Guilliman, so basically its Kor Phaeron vs Guilliman, kinda sorta. Kor Phaeron is probably one of my favorite WB characters, and he really doesnt get much to do. Guilliman doesnt either. Like I said he's just gone until the last like 1/4 of the book. His reintroduction is just as sick as Ive always been told though, and his ruminations on the other Primarchs when he has a moment to think is very sweet, I just wish we had more of the good stuff. I need guilliman going full 5 stages of grief realizing his brother betrayed him and potentially killed his most favored brothers. Theres a smaller line where Guilliman acknowledges that Lorgar is hurt deeply, and I wish that got expanded on. Yeah I get that HH is a massive series of books and it gets expounded on later, but Im of the opinion that you can double up a little. If it happens in this book, then the follow up novel isnt coming out for months/a year later, and no one is reading dozens of these books back to back (I dont think). Theres definitely space to retread some ground, especially when its the emotional weight of the tragedy of the Heresy. The noname literally-whos of the Ultramarines do a really good job of expressing their horror and dismay. The red helmet thing was also pretty cool with Guilliman declaring it as no longer a mark of censure because CHAD THUNDERCOCK Thiel is such a sick character.
Ultimately though the Oll Pearson shit makes the book taste like bile in my mouth. The pseudo-love story between the two tech priests was also very sweet (if indeed their relationship was romantic in nature, I thought it certainly was). That puts me on to the point that Id like more genres in 40k as a setting. A grimdark lovestory would be a nice change of pace, as Inquisitor mystery/detectice books can be. I personally think GW is missing a market that they can appeal to with different story structures and wants and needs, but I understand that they've kind of lashed the lore and tabletop together, so it is what it is I guess.
some spoilers ahead: This is basically where Guilliman realizes that shits all fucked up, and Lorgars all retarded, and its barely went over from the perspective of the Primarchs. He's gone 90% of the book, Lorgar fucks off as soon as he throws a demon at Guilliman, so basically its Kor Phaeron vs Guilliman, kinda sorta. Kor Phaeron is probably one of my favorite WB characters, and he really doesnt get much to do. Guilliman doesnt either. Like I said he's just gone until the last like 1/4 of the book. His reintroduction is just as sick as Ive always been told though, and his ruminations on the other Primarchs when he has a moment to think is very sweet, I just wish we had more of the good stuff. I need guilliman going full 5 stages of grief realizing his brother betrayed him and potentially killed his most favored brothers. Theres a smaller line where Guilliman acknowledges that Lorgar is hurt deeply, and I wish that got expanded on. Yeah I get that HH is a massive series of books and it gets expounded on later, but Im of the opinion that you can double up a little. If it happens in this book, then the follow up novel isnt coming out for months/a year later, and no one is reading dozens of these books back to back (I dont think). Theres definitely space to retread some ground, especially when its the emotional weight of the tragedy of the Heresy. The noname literally-whos of the Ultramarines do a really good job of expressing their horror and dismay. The red helmet thing was also pretty cool with Guilliman declaring it as no longer a mark of censure because CHAD THUNDERCOCK Thiel is such a sick character.
Ultimately though the Oll Pearson shit makes the book taste like bile in my mouth. The pseudo-love story between the two tech priests was also very sweet (if indeed their relationship was romantic in nature, I thought it certainly was). That puts me on to the point that Id like more genres in 40k as a setting. A grimdark lovestory would be a nice change of pace, as Inquisitor mystery/detectice books can be. I personally think GW is missing a market that they can appeal to with different story structures and wants and needs, but I understand that they've kind of lashed the lore and tabletop together, so it is what it is I guess.
So apparently there's been a leak of a new Calgar model with a backstory(for the leak)
Allegedly this Andy Smillie idiot was a GW employee who got fired for beating someone up at the office. Which prompted some other employee to make a meme out of it using the new Marneus Calgar model due to the power fists(I guess) for an internal group chat, which someone then leaked.
Allegedly this Andy Smillie idiot was a GW employee who got fired for beating someone up at the office. Which prompted some other employee to make a meme out of it using the new Marneus Calgar model due to the power fists(I guess) for an internal group chat, which someone then leaked.
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He actually sounds really cool, everyone should beat up James Workshop
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The whole perpetual subplot running through HH was very annoying and poorly done. Especially when it ruins a lot of BigE’s mystique and the scattering of the primarchs.