Warhammer 40k

[Love Machine]

It's not, but there's always been a weird group of casual players(this has been the case in other games as well over the years) who throw tantrums about being told to paint their shit, and will complain about tournament painting requirements(which are simplistic as fuck) that they never go to anyway. Even a meta chasing, swap their army every 3 months tournament player can...

Rattlecan base coat their models with a colored primer. Paint guns and swords silver. Add a secondary color to the shoulders or helmet. Tint some drywall spackle brown and smear that all over the base, dry brush, wash, and be done in a couple of hours. Will it look like shit? Probably, but it'll still be better than bare plastic and will easily meet any tournament painting standard easily.

The worst was probably the warmachine communtiy toward the end of mk2, and during mk3. Those insufferable retards would throw tantrums in the store if you dared hint that they could paint their models easily. And a lot of the tournaments especially during mk3 didn't have any painting requirements due to the tantrums the community threw so at times you'd see 20 tables and maybe 10 painted armies(the 2d terrain thing didn't help matters either) among the seas of grey plastic, bare metal, and maybe black primer.

The perfect poison for getting people interested in your miniature wargaming hobby is to have them toon in to a game for a bit the watch grey tau riptides vs primed black tyranids.

 

[p1138]

The perfect poison for getting people interested in your miniature wargaming hobby is to have them toon in to a game for a bit the watch grey tau riptides vs primed black tyranids.

Indeed. Meanwhile, at a tournament this past weekend

Across those 3 games in that stream, the weakest paintjob was the 2 eldar wave serpents in the 2nd game. But even those at least mostly met a minimum requirement and are still better than bare plastic or plain primer.

 

[Love Machine]

Indeed. Meanwhile, at a tournament this past weekend
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Udl1VtLcwVwAcross those 3 games in that stream, the weakest paintjob was the 2 eldar wave serpents in the 2nd game. But even those at least mostly met a minimum requirement and are still better than bare plastic or plain primer.

Its never people with any of the more annoying to paint factions either. If it was csm, tsons, mechanicus, you could cut them some slack if theyre still working on those. But nope its always grey space marines, tau, or the fotm.

 

[harbringer883]

Oh yeah, I fully get that impression.

One of the first posts I stumbled on in the Warhammer40k sub was some dude that painted space marines in all the tranny flags and pride flags, etc. and practically all of the comments were either the usual Reddit tranny worship or complaining about downvotes and comments that have clearly been nuked where they weren't sufficiently praising it.

It really seems like they have to do a lot of active moderation to ensure that it's a massive hugbox, just super weird to see though.

Correct. The powermods on r/warhammer40k, 40klore and grimdank literally work overtime to maintain the hugbox. When the chuds proceed to make their own space, then they just use their brownshirts on sigmarxism or gaymingcirclejerk to

If anything their activity might be a bit lower currently because they got r/horusgalaxy nuked after r/vengefulspirit and none of them actually play anything.

They literally don't even know what to do without us. Considering a few months back half of the posts on there where just screenshots from horusgalaxy. They needed a boogeyman so much that i'm pretty sure the only reason that sub grew was from redditors joining to coordinate brigades. That said, if sigmarxsism has been around since 2018, and only then reached 55k members, while HG, in roughly a year, gained 30k members. Had we not been banned we would have certainly surpassed them.

Yeah this time it's sisters of battle, but it's still faggotry and these people don't play, don't read lore, and really barely paint all things considered(you almost never see an army pic from any of them, it'll just be a combat patrol or some other pile of 200-500 points of models, and then their spastic ADHD takes over and they move onto something else). You can even see what I mean just looking at their reddit posts. And this isn't factoring in other people reposting this dude's crap repeatedly. Yet if you look through their shit... they can barely put together a single combat patrol let alone an army for even a 1,000 point game.

CerebusXT is a personal lolcow of mine lmfao. Back in horusgalaxy we had mass downvoted one of his posts and he came crying in the comments about "muh harassment" and how downvoting a troon mini was "literally trans genocide". He even had is homo marines featured in white dwarf at one point. Aside from his painting career (he is unemployed irl and lives of social benefits +his wifes income), Cerebus has claimed to be turned on at the thought of his son (now "daughter" as he conveniently trooned out) having sex with his wife, disputes the age of consent and is so obsessed with tranny cock that back when xitter didn't hide likes, it was literally all he liked. In case you didnt know, Cerebus is also, french.

 

[Humble Architect]

@harbringer883, after digesting that information about the son of a whore who shit up every 40k sub, all I can say is that maybe servitorization isn’t a bad idea.

 

[harbringer883]

@harbringer883, after digesting that information about the son of a whore who shit up every 40k sub, all I can say is that maybe servitorization isn’t a bad idea.

Death is too kind for subhumans like Cerebus.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

What’s everyone working on?
I’m trying my hand at some push-fit Iron Hands to get my recipe down.

Making myself finish tac squads for my Heresy Fists and Alphas before I start in on all the Mark II boys from the Saturnine box.

These 3 guys cover a lot of shit without the faggotry and clickbait nonsense most other channels have. Vince actually paints armies rather than just the one mini most channels pull out of the latest free box from GW and can afford to spend 30 hours on because they never play anything. Marco paints entire units while explaining advanced techniques but it's mostly just a lot about color from his professional oil painting background. Juan just does a lot of solid explanations of shit with proper demonstrations.

Vince and Juan are two of my favorite painters for those reasons. They're just really solid painters and they're good at explaining what they do.

 

[harbringer883]

What’s everyone working on?

I'm just working through my heresy IW. Going to build my land raider proteus tonight.

 

[augment]

I'm just painting a few bases again and trying to not suck at adding jungle leaves and bushes.

 

[Judge Dredd]

What’s everyone working on?

Gaslands and terrain crafting.

I have a few cereal bar boxes that I'm going to glue together to make a building of some sort. Not sure what to use for doors and windows as the advice out there is "3d print" or "raid the bits box" but I don't have either really. I'm going to have another go at egg box dragons teeth. The first set I made came out okay. I also want to make some lolly stick fences and scaffolding. But will need to pick up some filler and glue to complete those.

I did buy some pound land jenga blocks, but I forget what I was going to use them for. I might make some "dungeon" walls or tarp covered crates with them, but I'm not sure.


Currently giving serious thought to quitting the hobby again.

No, not for the usual reasons people give. Yes, it's money, but not of GW figures. Instead, it's all the tools and supplies that are considered a given are mounting up. So I'm torn between cutting my losses or embracing sunk cost falacy.
eg. Foam board, chip board, XPS foam, cork board, and other "cheap" materials where I live are £7-£13 or more per A4 sheet.

definitely a big step up from the Goblin Green bases with the radioactive green flock.

There's a subset of people who seem to love that goblin green flock look. There's even lengthy videos arguing about how to colour match goblin green in current year.

First 5 posts

Unpopular opinion, but a lot of those colour schemes aren't even bad. Yellow and purple? Pastels? These would work if it wasn't virtue signalling tranny shit.

They also can't help but miss the point of factions. Obsessive religious fanatics that go too far? Demonic cults that are degenerates that take things to excess? Heckin valid trans idpol whatever the fuck.

 

[p1138]

eg. Foam board, chip board, XPS foam, cork board, and other "cheap" materials where I live are £7-£13 or more per A4 sheet.

Well, unless you're building an entire custom table, go dumpster diving. Packing foam, big ass cardboard boxes, etc. can be had for free behind a home improvement store, craft store, light industrial area, etc.

Unpopular opinion, but a lot of those colour schemes aren't even bad. Yellow and purple? Pastels? These would work if it wasn't virtue signalling tranny shit.

They also can't help but miss the point of factions. Obsessive religious fanatics that go too far? Demonic cults that are degenerates that take things to excess? Heckin valid trans idpol whatever the fuck.

Yes, some of them would be fine as they're piles of complimentary colors, because that's all the heckin valid flags are to begin with. Trouble is, outside of maybe a weird death watch or eldar aspect warrior army it's just a jumbled incoherent mess with the stupid tranny flag ideology lumped ontop of it. But like I said, guy doesn't have enough of anything to actually play a game with anyway.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Dude, that's where they organize harassing other warhammer subs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/

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A tranny cat girl marine, some shit about helldivers, a female space marine, some purple likely female marine shit, and then a repost of that same damned guy who posts his tranny flag marines every couple of months. They're that predictable even. Then following up that dumpster fire. A normal looking post about Lamenters. Then some shit about commie space marines beating up nazis. A shitty ripper swarm paint job, a pregnant emperor and malcador MS paint pic. Fallout shit for some reason. Another awful paintjob on some random mini with an oversized shotgun. Some fan art female marine codex cover thing. Another Lamenter space marine. Some shit about an African WHFB faction. An iron hand paintjob that looks ok, but then immediately followed up with another tranny flag emperor's children paintjob. If anything their activity might be a bit lower currently because they got r/horusgalaxy nuked after r/vengefulspirit and none of them actually play anything.

Just look at what they think is a "good" paintjob. It's a drybrush, some texture paste, tufts, and they couldn't even paint the base rims worth a shit. Because statues in a desert commonly have random foot tall piles of grass on them sticking out sideways?
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[Stonewall Jackson]

It's not, but there's always been a weird group of casual players(this has been the case in other games as well over the years) who throw tantrums about being told to paint their shit, and will complain about tournament painting requirements(which are simplistic as fuck) that they never go to anyway. Even a meta chasing, swap their army every 3 months tournament player can...

Rattlecan base coat their models with a colored primer. Paint guns and swords silver. Add a secondary color to the shoulders or helmet. Tint some drywall spackle brown and smear that all over the base, dry brush, wash, and be done in a couple of hours. Will it look like shit? Probably, but it'll still be better than bare plastic and will easily meet any tournament painting standard easily.

The worst was probably the warmachine communtiy toward the end of mk2, and during mk3. Those insufferable retards would throw tantrums in the store if you dared hint that they could paint their models easily. And a lot of the tournaments especially during mk3 didn't have any painting requirements due to the tantrums the community threw so at times you'd see 20 tables and maybe 10 painted armies(the 2d terrain thing didn't help matters either) among the seas of grey plastic, bare metal, and maybe black primer.

I'd be legitimately embarrassed if I was going to an event and turning up with unpainted or no effort minis, having them properly painted is surely the bare minimum of showing respect to your opponents.

Not to mention I'd feel like a massive retard if I wasn't able to paint to an acceptable degree considering children can manage it.

I've just bought my first minis in like 20 years, I've assembled a bunch of them, removed the mould lines and filled the gaps in a bunch of my minis so far and I've designated a bunch of them as my first sort of 'test' run because a large part of it for me is having the shit looking cool, if it looks like trash what is even the point.

My main problem is I'm massively stunlocked with all the different techniques and recipes for stuff to the point I haven't even started painting yet.

 

[p1138]

My main problem is I'm massively stunlocked with all the different techniques and recipes for stuff to the point I haven't even started painting yet.

That's why I pointed out 3 specific non-faggot channels. You can scroll or search through their videos, and look at the titles and thumbnails and figure out what they're talking about rather than wondering what the fuck "turbo-semi slapchop, the #1 must-use technique challenge" is supposed to mean since this is the state of probably half the painting channels

 

[The tired cat]

If theres one part I suck at when comes to painting its always the highlight stuff.

 

[Stonewall Jackson]

That's why I pointed out 3 specific non-faggot channels. You can scroll or search through their videos, and look at the titles and thumbnails and figure out what they're talking about rather than wondering what the fuck "turbo-semi slapchop, the #1 must-use technique challenge" is supposed to mean since this is the state of probably half the painting channels
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I've already went through a bunch of Vince, Juan Hidalgo, Zumikito, Duncan Rhodes, etc. and pretty much resigned myself to doing a more 'eavy metal box art sort of style but with more detailed bases compared to the boring GW ones (I quite like pigments).

Since I'm using brushes rather than an airbrush I'm not going near the slapchop/contrast style, I'm fairly confident with the actual detail painting but I'd like to avoid the NMM sort of stuff for now til I've got a bit more hands on time.

If I really get into things I'll likely pick up an airbrush and start looking at doing proper airbrushed zenithal highlighting type stuff but I don't really like how sort of splotchy it ends up looking out of a rattlecan and I hate how so many people paint with the contrast paints and you can still see the splotchy white zenithal under it all.

Honestly, I think once I start I won't have many issues but I am bit of a perfectionist when it comes to this sort of stuff and I'll need to eventually just force myself to start at some point or I'll never paint anything.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Not to mention I'd feel like a massive retard if I wasn't able to paint to an acceptable degree considering children can manage it.

Part of the problem is what is acceptable has shifted. Game sizes have gone up. And the tournament focused mindset has damaged any kind of immersion.

I don't know if it's covered in the video, though a top comment mentioned it, but it bares repeating.

1. The standards have gone up. There's a video somewhere where someone paints a primaris marine using retro paints and techniques, and the results are not pretty. Cool, but surprising ugly for someone that does mini painting as a job. Yes, it's easier to get those results than in the 90s, but it's still a higher standard than some are capable of.

2. Model count and game size has increased dramatically. The whole 1000pt army could be as small as 20 models. (Space marines could take combat squads, which were 5 man tactical squads) compared to the 2000pt standard today. Fuck, I remember Apocalypse rules which were designed for obscene game sizes and allowed you take titans. Now titans (knights) are basically a stock 40k faction.

3. People don't care about a "story" or "immersion". We never used those terms back then as it was a given. Supposedly Horus Herasy still maintains that lore-first mindset. In modern 40k, you're playing to win. Why does it matter if your army is coloured in right. There was a lot of unpainted and proxy going on back then as well, so I don't know how bad this problem is, if it's a problem at all.

 

[p1138]

Part of the problem is what is acceptable has shifted. Game sizes have gone up. And the tournament focused mindset has damaged any kind of immersion.

I don't know if it's covered in the video, though a top comment mentioned it, but it bares repeating.

1. The standards have gone up. There's a video somewhere where someone paints a primaris marine using retro paints and techniques, and the results are not pretty. Cool, but surprising ugly for someone that does mini painting as a job. Yes, it's easier to get those results than in the 90s, but it's still a higher standard than some are capable of.

2. Model count and game size has increased dramatically. The whole 1000pt army could be as small as 20 models. (Space marines could take combat squads, which were 5 man tactical squads) compared to the 2000pt standard today. Fuck, I remember Apocalypse rules which were designed for obscene game sizes and allowed you take titans. Now titans (knights) are basically a stock 40k faction.

3. People don't care about a "story" or "immersion". We never used those terms back then as it was a given. Supposedly Horus Herasy still maintains that lore-first mindset. In modern 40k, you're playing to win. Why does it matter if your army is coloured in right. There was a lot of unpainted and proxy going on back then as well, so I don't know how bad this problem is, if it's a problem at all.

1. Standards have gone up, but the number of people with 20+ years of experience painting has gone up. That said, I see better shit coming from people who have never painted a mini before given some proper instruction, compared to what people tried to decipher from shitty photos in magazines and books 20-30 years ago. Unless you're actually physically handicapped, you can easily get a better result than most did in the 90s(with far better readily available instruction), and the video covers this.

2. Who was only owning exactly 1000 or 1500 points and didn't have more minis than that years ago? Sure, there's definitely more minis on the table in a 2000 point game now than there was even in a 2000 point game 20 years ago. But you still owned more minis than what you could fit into a list at any given time if you weren't just starting out. Yeah, if you work your way up to 2000 points over a year(or however long it takes), not only will you get better at painting(point 1 again), you'll probably own more than that after another few years unless you're like that tranny who paints random shit and can't put an army together. No, knights are not the equivalent of titans. If anything they're closer to just being the equivalent of an army of guard vehicles.

Leman russ battle tank. T 11, 2+ save, 13 wounds, 185 points.
Knight preceptor(the mid size chassis), T 11, 3+ 5++(vs ranged only). 365 points.

So the knight costs just about what 2 leman's do, has the same toughness and wounds as 2 lemans, and actually has less firepower than 2 lemans, has a 5++ ranged only but the leman russ' get a better base save, and the 2 tanks would require target selection to kill vs shooting at single target. The larger T 12 knight chassis would be more point efficient except both of them are kinda shit and still have fewer wounds than a pair of T 12 rogal dorn tanks.

Meanwhile an 1100 point warhound will likely eliminate the 2 targets its shooting at once getting into LOS, but then being t13 and 40 wounds at 2+ 5++(again ranged only) it's now out in the open and can easily be destroyed in a single round(definitely within 2) so there goes more than half your army all while having less firepower than 3 medium knights or 6 guard tanks. Nevermind how much of a waste it would be to have a titan doing an action on a turn. The other 3 titans aren't even playable in 2000 point games(plus would end up occupying an even larger percentage of your army to just get blasted off the table in 1-3 rounds).

3. This is a shitty argument. "In modern 40k you're playing to win" who was ever playing to lose? Who plays any game to lose unless you're intentionally throwing the game because it's some little kid or you're more focused on teaching someone how to play. Do 30k players play to lose? Story and immersion certainly don't have anything to do with playing to lose. If I go to a narrative event that doesn't use competitive terrain layouts and scoring, I'm not showing up just to lose. And yeah, unpainted armies looked like shit ages ago, just as they look like shit now. Proxying things doesn't have anything to do with playing to win or lose or models being unpainted. It's not an issue at tournaments(and most narrative events) due to having painting requirements. Hell even taking a warhound to a 2000 point game, I don't expect to table my opponent and winning is likely going to be more difficult than if I didn't take it. But of course I'm still playing to win.

 

[Purple fur Pomeranian]

Say what you want about Arch but apparently someone in the Games Workshop staff is celebrating Charlie Kirk's death.

 

[The Bogwater Flows On]

Honestly, I think once I start I won't have many issues but I am bit of a perfectionist when it comes to this sort of stuff and I'll need to eventually just force myself to start at some point or I'll never paint anything.

Godspeed soldier! I started painting the moment I accepted "perfection is the enemy of done." Granted I only started earlier this year. I'm not really good, probably just passable. You'll get better the more you paint and find out what works for you.