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creaturestorm said:
I think the real issue comes from advancing the timeline
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creaturestorm said:
It was the midnight hour for the Imperium
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I get why people get attached to the "literally on the brink of collapse" Imperium but personally I remember as a kid getting frustrated with the lore because it seemed like nothing actually new or important had happened for like the past 20 years of the franchise, it's just that something was always ABOUT to happen. When I got back into 40K in 2020ish I was really happy to see that the setting was finally advancing, interesting characters were coming back, people were innovating, etc. I think the Always Just About to Die era is cool but I don't think the franchise could continue to survive if it stuck to the theme of endless decay forever.

p1138 said:
The problem is that the galaxy is in a constant state of peril and doing anything to try and add to the constant peril tips things into being absurd even for 40k.
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I can see that, but I think a way that can be dealt with is with like a "Mr. Burns has every disease at the same time and is technically invincible" kind of thing.

Ah shit the Tyranids finally ate the Shittius Maximus Sector but damn it turns out it was actually a major Necron and now they're waking up early to take out the nids for good

Ah nice the nids are distracted, Imperium's going to go ham on crusades, but oh no, now that the Orks aren't fighting nids too they start exploding in number and now the Imperium's facing major WAAAAGHS! literally everywhere

Etc etc, every faction acts as a whetstone for the others so they keep getting stronger or more innovative.

I know that can probably explode into like ridiculous Dragon Ball Z scaling but I think factions should be allowed to win sometimes as long as another faction rises up to check them in a different way
 
PyramidBox said:
Ah nice the nids are distracted, Imperium's going to go ham on crusades, but oh no, now that the Orks aren't fighting nids too they start exploding in number and now the Imperium's facing major WAAAAGHS! literally everywhere
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This is a good fix too. It just feels like they keep rolling back the midnight hour to reintroduce the exact same midnight hour.

"Oh no cadia is fallen, Chaos has spread! Quick we have to protect *not* Cadia or else chaos will spread even more!"
 
creaturestorm said:
Tau arent even supposed to have gundams, this itself is a huge retcon. They were supposed to be like a rapid insertion/air assault style army with an array of super heavy fliers to get boots on the ground exactly where they were needed.

I hate to be an old fag constantly talking about the old days, I'm just getting back into this hobby (hopefully) since 5th edition, but so much retarded shit got birthed into the game post 4th edition. Seems like no ones happy with the setting any more.
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Pedantic autists are never happy. I just assume you're a subhuman if you bitch constantly one way or another about a setting designed to sell you toys. The lore is only as sacred as GW treats it, and they have not once treated it as anything but fluid and subject to change to sell you more toys.
 
daniel day said:
Pedantic autists are never happy. I just assume you're a subhuman if you bitch constantly one way or another about a setting designed to sell you toys. The lore is only as sacred as GW treats it, and they have not once treated it as anything but fluid and subject to change to sell you more toys.
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I think the mistake is believing that the setting was designed to sell you toys when it was originally there to make sense of the toys.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Question, what do Eldar eat? It's either the most ridiculously complex type of dish possible, a block of slop that tastes like nothing.

Or a salad, because they are faggots.
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Anything, for their metabolism grants them an unparalleled degree of tolerance to toxins. The Gav Thorpe novels only disclose exotic cocktail mixes for craftworlders, as for the Deldar anything bloody goes.
 
PyramidBox said:
I get why people get attached to the "literally on the brink of collapse" Imperium but personally I remember as a kid getting frustrated with the lore because it seemed like nothing actually new or important had happened for like the past 20 years of the franchise, it's just that something was always ABOUT to happen. When I got back into 40K in 2020ish I was really happy to see that the setting was finally advancing, interesting characters were coming back, people were innovating, etc. I think the Always Just About to Die era is cool but I don't think the franchise could continue to survive if it stuck to the theme of endless decay forever.
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I honestly think you could still have the imperium"win" against chaos and the setting would still be interesting. Granted chaos players would be pretty salty about it but picture this.

They close the eye using the necrons somehow, chaos loses influence and the surviving chaos Marines have to band together in pockets of space under siege. But the sheer cost of doing so further weakens the imperium's power. The necrons become the new big threat and other factions start exploiting the vacuum to invade like the tau, dark eldar and the squats. These factions could even attempt to harness chaos thinking it's neutered. Shit maybe you could have a whole quest of chaos Marines trying to reopen the eye and partially succeeding.

Defeating chaos buys a lot of breathing room, but there's still 20 other problems happening at once. It wouldn't immediately fix everything, especially if the forces involved in doing so get wiped out in the process.
 
creaturestorm said:
I hate to be an old fag constantly talking about the old days,
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I don't mind. Gives me some company at least.

creaturestorm said:
so much retarded shit got birthed into the game post 4th edition. Seems like no ones happy with the setting any more.
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I blame reddit. No, seriously. 40k was always a setting designed to allow wargames to happen. From small gangs having a punch up, to a galactic war. But so much has been added, re-interpreted, and the grim dark put up to stupid levels (and still not grimdark enough according to them) that the setting is running out of things to care about.
 
creaturestorm said:
Tau arent even supposed to have gundams, this itself is a huge retcon. They were supposed to be like a rapid insertion/air assault style army with an array of super heavy fliers to get boots on the ground exactly where they were needed.

I hate to be an old fag constantly talking about the old days, I'm just getting back into this hobby (hopefully) since 5th edition, but so much retarded shit got birthed into the game post 4th edition. Seems like no ones happy with the setting any more.
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I think we all know exactly where and when the obsession with increasingly ridiculous walkers started...
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For fuck's sake the Tau's response to giant hard targets back before 5e was just to airstrike the shit out of them like they did to that Warhound on Taros. But that doesn't sell models in a power creep race, now does it?
 
Judge Dredd said:
I blame reddit. No, seriously. 40k was always a setting designed to allow wargames to happen. From small gangs having a punch up, to a galactic war. But so much has been added, re-interpreted, and the grim dark put up to stupid levels (and still not grimdark enough according to them) that the setting is running out of things to care about.
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And half of those people still probably couldn't tell you what is currently happening in 40k. The arks of omen storyline(which has still gone nowhere), the pariah nexus storyline(which has still gone nowhere), dawn of fire that went nowhere, the latest tyrannic war that has gone nowhere, the psychic awakening that... turned into nothing, but they probably couldn't even summarize the basic plot points of any of it beyond what they've maybe seen in a lore video on youtube.
 
Brubby The 2nd said:
the next war for Armageddon wont go anywhere either, it's just gonna be Yarrick and Ghazz slapping each other, like everyone wants it to be. Be content with it.
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Sure, but then most of the people who end up complaining about it won't have read any of it or even be able to give a basic summary. And there will be people finding reasons to complain about it. We're at a point where people bitch about shit GW did before they were born, long past just complaining about crap they've never even read.
 
I'm ok with stories that don't advance the plot, but those stories have to at least resolve their own plot. Arks of Omen built up to this climax where the antagonist got their super weapon and then...well nothing. It just ends. At least with The Lion's return, if you read his novel that more or less is a complete story. Even though he hasn't done anything in the wider galaxy there is at least a story that has a beginning, middle, and end. By the end the galaxy doesn't need to be rent asunder, billions dead, and some new super power in charge of an entire sector. As long as there is some conclusion to whatever plot they started.

Maybe part of the issue is the way they contextualize these releases. The Tyrannic war, the Pariah Nexus, these aren't really stories per se but settings within the setting. They aren't meant to be a story of themselves but more of describing an ongoing conflict that is meant to be used as set dressing for your games. The problem is when the plot gets too specific, bringing in named characters who have their own agendas. Now you aren't just creating set dressing, but creating character plots that people are rightfully interested in learning about. The scale is too big, but I think GW is afraid that if every story doesn't sound like the next apocalypse no one will be interested.
 
Spilled Spaghett said:
I'm ok with stories that don't advance the plot, but those stories have to at least resolve their own plot. Arks of Omen built up to this climax where the antagonist got their super weapon and then...well nothing. It just ends. At least with The Lion's return, if you read his novel that more or less is a complete story. Even though he hasn't done anything in the wider galaxy there is at least a story that has a beginning, middle, and end. By the end the galaxy doesn't need to be rent asunder, billions dead, and some new super power in charge of an entire sector. As long as there is some conclusion to whatever plot they started.

Maybe part of the issue is the way they contextualize these releases. The Tyrannic war, the Pariah Nexus, these aren't really stories per se but settings within the setting. They aren't meant to be a story of themselves but more of describing an ongoing conflict that is meant to be used as set dressing for your games. The problem is when the plot gets too specific, bringing in named characters who have their own agendas. Now you aren't just creating set dressing, but creating character plots that people are rightfully interested in learning about. The scale is too big, but I think GW is afraid that if every story doesn't sound like the next apocalypse no one will be interested.
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Well get ready for every other edition of 40k lol, because I can tell you its just going to be "Faction X has macguffin that will let them absolutely the setting but thank goodness named character X and Y is here to stop it" rinse and repeat every edition. Thats as far as the plot will go for the forseable future, since I doubt GW is brave enough to have another great rift/cadia event (but get ready for a "somehow, Cadia returned moment).
 
harbringer883 said:
(but get ready for a "somehow, Cadia returned moment).
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So Cadia didn't actually get destroyed and there's been multiple stories of people going back to it for various reasons(including survivors living on it the entire time), and it's gotten to the point where Caliban is back now as well.
 
Is it wrong that I want the end of 10th edition campaign they release to have the necrons absolutely body the Tyranids near Terra? After that we could have war in heaven two with imperium vs necrons, tomb world after tomb world getting wrecked because Guiliman and the Lion'el got their shit together. End it on a cliffhanger with the two primarchs fighting the silent king in some epic duel.
 
p1138 said:
So Cadia didn't actually get destroyed and there's been multiple stories of people going back to it for various reasons(including survivors living on it the entire time), and it's gotten to the point where Caliban is back now as well.
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Well for cadia at least, people can visit the astroid belt the planets destruction created (and somehow breath?), and Caliban is back because of le hekkin warp fuckery, so Cadia will probably return because of hekkin warp fuckery too.
 
Mr Clark said:
Since you're an avid reader, nothing stopping you from getting models from your favorite books. Especially characters and other centerpieces
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I second this. I mainly just read WHF/AoS and will buy single minis of bits from the books I like. There are sellers that break boxes so you don't have to buy the whole thing.

The books can be stupid expensive, but the minis are so gosh darn tiny and adorable it's hard to resist.
 
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