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Judge Dredd said:
Some of that makes sense given the size of a mini vs a sprue, but the way the force orginization works is the problem I think?
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The force org acts like a force org. But the way the smaller stuff is sold is entirely separate. If you just want an army of big tanks, knights, or titans you could just buy almost exactly what you want(it's usually packaged in multiples of 2). But even with the big tanks, say you want 2-4 legion sicarans, you can just buy those. However, if you wanted them with specific guns, the 4 gun options are split between 2 boxes, and you can only outfit 2 of each. Want to make yourself a squadron of jetbikes, land speeders, and javelins, you're stuck with a pile of motorcycles you might not have been interested in. You want some guard rapier artillery? Well you're going to also be buying 12 tarantula platforms and some cyclops. And this is all while still trying to stay within the force org chart. The fact that they put say... 6 xiphon in a bundle box when you can really only take 1-4 as a formation in a skyhunter phalanx or aerial assault detachment is a separate issue(but at least you could put 4 in on detachment, and then 2 in another).

Now yes, they did design the sprues this way so it isn't like they can cut them up at the factory and sell you just what you want. But they also didn't have to do that in the first place and could have instead setup the sprues and pricing of them to only be $25+ instead of $50+ and a bunch of things you might not have been interested in. It's only on the cheap side of things if you're just buying whatever random bundle boxes they offer on occasion to just have a big pile of stuff to fit the force org chart regardless of what it actually is.

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The new Custodes that look like Stormcast with Custodes Spears / Sword and Board are literally just a Custodian Guard squad, we already have the datasheet for them. They're drop in replacements. No clue on scale, however, they mentioned that they have a different scale and they look distinctly thinner to me than they used to.

But they also, to me, look like they took Stormcast STLs and put Custodes shoulderpads on them, not Space Marines++ like before. Is that better? Worse? I do like the implication that their armor is just so much better intrinsically that it doesn't need to be as thick as Space Marine armor and is still somehow better.

The rest of the new plastics are all forgeworld recreations, and I think they have 40k datasheets but maybe not? Was there even a single new thing shown, or was it all just forgeworld->plastics and a Custodian Guard refresh? IIRC the Custodes standard dread is now out of print so the new ones are at least something.
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Yes, all of the shit they showed off already had 40k datasheets with the one exception being the caladius tank was shown with a new nose gun option that looks like a flamer instead of a bolter, but no one is taking a caladius for that, it's for the big fuck off gun on top with re-rolls. The dreadnought with the spear also wasn't shown with its existing options for the wrist mounted guns, but like the tank no one is taking it for that. But everything else, the custodian guard, the ones with jumpacks, both dreadnoughts, the tank, the transport(which doesn't have the assualt ramp rule and is kinda shit compared to a landraider), it's all got 40k datasheets. Now the potential issue is that before 10th edition a bunch of HH 2.0 space marine vehicles also had datasheets while having just been updated to plastic kits, and then they were all dumped to legends once 10th edition launched. GW also decided the cerastus knights got HH packaging when updated to plastic, so you've basically got 2 factions between custodes and knights that have been teetering on the verge of having a significant portion of their model range rules gutted at any moment. And with the way chaos daemons have been treated in 10th, they got plenty of detachments and rules, but aren't any better off potentially as a stand-alone army going into 11th.

All the more reason to just not give GW any money if you are into those armies.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
He is just a GRIFTER you see.
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Being a dedicated grifting tourist faggot is still being a grifting tourist faggot.
 
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Wrecka kit is solid but I wasn't expecting Flash Gitz to mog them in size so hard. They need to hurry up with Badrukk or allow more options than the Mek Kaptin enhancement. Kitbashing out some Bustas does seem easier with them at regular boy scale I suppose.
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Taki Supremacy said:
It's incredibly fucking lazy. When all of that happened I spent a few minutes thinking about it and came up with this:
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They also had a perfectly lined up excuse with the demon invasion of Terra killing off thousands of custodians.

It's just a very lazy introduction. But they needed them for 30k i guess
 
I have said it before but I think this just skews the fandom even more down a path of chud and leftie. I personally think chuds out number a lot of talking online at this point even youtube normies and facebook normies are vastly more conservative.

I don’t know how to think this one since I honestly think 40k Chuds will still stick with Warhammer but push for a more ignorant view to the point of maybe ignoring every post 7th edition
 
Speaking of politics effecting lore and stuff. What are the chances that GW want to "soft squat" the Black Templars? I've been looking up BT stuff since it's the army I started but I still have time to switch to DA if GW does have a hateboner for the former.
 
This female custodes retcon also brings into question a certain lore issue. Fabius has kidnapped custodes before and has been trying to create a superior human for the last 10,000 years. Now that female custodes are considered canon and supposedly have always been there; why hasn't Fabius simply dedicated his efforts to kidnapping custodes and infesting the galaxy with their spawn? It's not like Fabius hates the emperor's creations; far from it, he respects the emperor's work.

With all the time and effort he's been spending, he could have just been visiting Terra in an unmarked white van every decade or so. By M41, he would have supplanted humanity with his new gold obsessed master race.
 
Feathers said:
Speaking of politics effecting lore and stuff. What are the chances that GW want to "soft squat" the Black Templars? I've been looking up BT stuff since it's the army I started but I still have time to switch to DA if GW does have a hateboner for the former.
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They just gave them a codex and new models back in 9th(2021, and then one again in 10th) after not having a codex since 4th edition in 2005, along with another pair of models in 10th. It isn't like Chaos Daemons they can dump to just being for AoS or Knights and Custodes that can just be dumped to Horus Heresy. doing anything to remove a loyalist snowflake marine chapter at this point is incredibly unlikely especially since the IF focus was for HH 2.0 rather than 40k.

Now if 11th suddenly comes with an entire crimson fist model range and codex(incredibly unlikely, especially since there's already blue space marines on the loyalist side that have been the mascot of the company for 25 years), it might be a concern worth having.
 
Feathers said:
What are the chances that GW want to "soft squat" the Black Templars
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You're safe. The range you're buying into is relatively brand new and of this Brave New World era. They've got two new characters this year. All vanilla SM releases are BT releases. It's an incredibly popular iconic marine faction. They're 100% going to play a role in an 11th ed campaign book. You can always change your mind if you feel something else call to you but there's no fear of them being cancelled.

DA is getting a Ravenwing bike wave, which will likely accompany Ezekiel and Sammael. If that helps you decide.
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Feathers said:
Speaking of politics effecting lore and stuff. What are the chances that GW want to "soft squat" the Black Templars? I've been looking up BT stuff since it's the army I started but I still have time to switch to DA if GW does have a hateboner for the former.
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Utterly 0 lol

They have new primaris models. Here’s the thing about GW they’ll go woke but then next week will constantly justify the imperiums actions and sell more Black Templars
 
Mr Clark said:
Im so sick of the Femstodes talk, bro please, please bro, fucking stop. I dont think anyone was like this for Wyches.
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Okay I'll change the discussion.

Do you guys like to look up the real world inspiration for stuff in 40k? For example, I'm looking up teutonic knights videos on youtube since they're clearly the inspiration for my army. When I played AoS I looked into Conan stuff since I played Dark Oath. I also think the NL are way more interesting when you get into their inspiration which I'm confident is the Belgian Congo considering the obvious Heart of Darkness references.
Additionally I thought the Black Army of Hungry was neat, anyone know if 40k has done an army for them?
 
Feathers said:
Speaking of politics effecting lore and stuff. What are the chances that GW want to "soft squat" the Black Templars? I've been looking up BT stuff since it's the army I started but I still have time to switch to DA if GW does have a hateboner for the former.
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BT being full of chuds is a meme that's only spread by the terminally online, I doubt a range as seemingly popular as it would be squatted just for the meme
 
Brubby The 2nd said:
I know BT has ties to the Knights Hospitaller, but I'm very ignorant about the crusades, or if they already belong to what you're describing.
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I did some surface level research (google and reading forums) and most people said their inspired by the Teutonic Knights, for example they called their mission "The Eternal War" and stuff.
I just downloaded an audiobook so I'll find out more after.

Also people say the DA are more based on the Knights Templar with Arthurian myth mixed in, not as cool imo but still sweet.
 
Retreaded Tire said:
What about Knights? My understanding is that per model they are expensive but to field an army comes out cheaper since it's fewer models needed.
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The problem with knights is that if it's a situation like chaos knights had for ages where the only way they were worth a shit and didn't get wrecked by a retard was to run a bunch of wardogs... 10-14 of them at $50 per model. And if you didn't run the max amount of wardogs then that meant you had a big knight at $200 taking the place of around 3. But this is getting easily still into the $800+ range at MSRP.

With imperial knights, armiger spam was never really a thing but armigers are priced the same as big knights, and if you're running 3 big knights and 5-6 armigers, that's still $600 on big knights plus another $300 on armigers(they're sold in pairs) if you're buying at MSRP. If you're trying to run say, 4 big knights and 3 armigers, that's still $1000.

Knights also rarely get discount boxes. They've had 2 christmas battleforces(the one with canis rex was REALLY good because it actually included all of the questoris weapon options that you should magnetize, the one after that didn't have all of the options and cost more). CK also had a box with 7 wardogs in it recently, so that would have covered all of your smaller stuff leaving you to go get a couple big knights(and hopefully find a 15-20% discount on them). And this may sound great, but these boxes are a rarity and if they are actually worth a shit sell out damn near instantly.

Meanwhile custodes are so elite(even with custodian guard currently at 150 points for 4) that their combat patrols don't even use all of the models in the box because it's just too much. The combat patrol alone is 735 points for $170, 2 of those plus another unit of whatever and you're set. If you actually build the guard and terminator shield captains instead of the regular guy, now that's 890 points for the combat patrol box. 2 combat patrols at 170 each is 340, plus another $60 unit of something is still $400 which is going to be half or less than that of either flavor of knights for a full list, and still doesn't include the occasional battle force box that custodes get as an option to go with the combat patrol. That new HH custodes box with the tank and dread as an example, is 940 points in 40k.
 
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iceteayo said:
To be fair you have a point, didn’t the banshee model updates introduce males could learn on the path of the banshee and have male models?
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There have been male Banshees in the fluff for a good while - there's even a male Exarch in Valedor. The update's big change was providing faces at all so that you could make official Ynnari Banshees, still fairly fresh at the time - one of those faces was indeed male, but it was a far bigger departure to have Aspects fighting without their war masks at all, regardless of the sex of the face under the mask. Nothing too offensive; the worst part about the update was Blood of the Phoenix being the worst-value box in Warhammer's history.
The actual culture war incident regarding male Banshees was more recent and in the Black Library rather than the Codex or models - Mike Brooks wrote that all males in female Aspects (and vice versa) troon out any psychically remould themselves into the opposite sex. If it wasn't a dedicated culture warrior writing it, the more charitable explanation of trying to make the aliens a bit weirder and more alien might almost work.
 
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