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If the next psychic awakening book makes Dark Angels and Gray Knights better psykers than the Thousand Sons I might have a stroke.
 
It should be easy to reflect the potential psychic mastery of the TS. The Skaven in AoS are great examples of this. Whatever you think of AoS, it at least serves as a suitable petri dish for 40k, and it did a great job of presenting a people whose mad ambition is at the whim of a capricious god. The TS should be laying out terrifying Smites+1 that shake reality until a daemon of Tzeentch inevitably locks on and starts yanking chaos Marines into the Warp.
 
Imperialist #348 said:
its that bad?,i havent touched any of the new stuff yet.
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It’s not out yet. From what happened in the last few PA books it’ll probably give Dark Angels the new Vanguard Primaris, give you traits to play as Deathwing and Ravenwing, update the Grey Knights with some new rules and give Thousand Sons rules to play one of the nine cults.

Psychic Awakening has all been about giving armies more options, whether that be the ability to make custom army rules or new strategems.
 
So if you guys have read Fulgrim by Graham McNeill what did you think of it? I really wasn't a fan. It felt like reading the Fulgrims wiki page would have given me the same experience, I didn't care about the characters and I thought it was too long and boring. what did you guys think?
 
ScrappyLobsterchu said:
So if you guys have read Fulgrim by Graham McNeill what did you think of it? I really wasn't a fan. It felt like reading the Fulgrims wiki page would have given me the same experience, I didn't care about the characters and I thought it was too long and boring. what did you guys think?
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It's pretty good in my opinion. Having a glimpse into a chaos alien cult is neat. The book conveys how the EC are racing towards perfection for perfection's sake, to the point of willfully losing their humanity (which is by definition flawed). The rapid degeneration of the crew is great, especially the concert. Finally, the final battle is great.
The only thing that really bothers me (and a lot of people) about this book is how Fulgrim got so easiely ensnared by a fucking sword. You'd think the Primarchs are better than this.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
It's pretty good in my opinion. Having a glimpse into a chaos alien cult is neat. The book conveys how the EC are racing towards perfection for perfection's sake, to the point of willfully losing their humanity (which is by definition flawed). The rapid degeneration of the crew is great, especially the concert. Finally, the final battle is great.
The only thing that really bothers me (and a lot of people) about this book is how Fulgrim got so easiely ensnared by a fucking sword. You'd think the Primarchs are better than this.
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Yeah I did like how Slannesh was explained and brought to life especially because I believe they are the weakest god in terms of lore.
 
ScrappyLobsterchu said:
So if you guys have read Fulgrim by Graham McNeill what did you think of it? I really wasn't a fan. It felt like reading the Fulgrims wiki page would have given me the same experience, I didn't care about the characters and I thought it was too long and boring. what did you guys think?
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I hated it at first but grew to like it as I got further in. But personally, I think Fulgrim falling because he picked up a magic sword is the biggest cop-out and my biggest pet peeve with the book.
 
exball said:
I hated it at first but grew to like it as I got further in. But personally, I think Fulgrim falling because he picked up a magic sword is the biggest cop-out and my biggest pet peeve with the book.
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Falling for any reason beyond inner foibles is shitty if you ask me. Lorgar and Perturabo are excellent examples of how to really sell it.
 
exball said:
So far all of the Psychic awakening books have given massive buffs to loyalist marines while giving everyone else basically nothing.
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I expected nothing, and I was still disappointed. The whole Blood Angels affair was basically everyone jizzing over MeFistsinyerBum's new model, while Tyranids got...I dunno, the leftover jizz?

If your book involves Space Marine Chapter #7683 vs. your favoured race, I don't think you should expect anything. It's a complete disappointment compared to Blood of the Phoenix where both sides got something; now it's just back to loyalist wankery.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I expected nothing, and I was still disappointed. The whole Blood Angels affair was basically everyone jizzing over MeFistsinyerBum's new model, while Tyranids got...I dunno, the leftover jizz?

If your book involves Space Marine Chapter #7683 vs. your favoured race, I don't think you should expect anything. It's a complete disappointment compared to Blood of the Phoenix where both sides got something; now it's just back to loyalist wankery.
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Thank goodness you can find the new Tyranid rules online. It might be different if it was a cheap book like the old Indexes, but it's a premium price for a book with only a handful of useful rules and the rest of it being lore about how the largest Tyranid force ever seen is eventually going to get beaten by a crippled SM chapter.
 
That Chris Guy said:
If your book involves Space Marine Chapter #7683 vs. your favoured race, I don't think you should expect anything. It's a complete disappointment compared to Blood of the Phoenix where both sides got something; now it's just back to loyalist wankery.
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You know as someone who isn't a hardcore Warhammer 40k nerd but is a hardcore sci-fi nerd I kind of like how easily stuff can get lost in the cracks in this universe. Since history isn't well-maintained in the Imperium, you can basically pretend whatever parts of the lore or rules are just false and pick and choose what to believe in yourself.

As someone who is also a history nerd, this is astonishingly true to life as you can never know *all* of history. Its impossible. You may be an expert in one part of it and know precisely how certain events in a certain time in a certain place went down, but on some events you have to just make a judgement call on what you think actually happened. It sounds like you can do this with any setting, but unlike say Star Wars or Star Trek, Warhammer 40k works this into the canon by making the Imperium and the galaxy as a whole a mess that is literally too big to comprehend.

Its a brilliant storytelling move and also such a good marketing gimmick that Disney tried to steal it by renaming the Star Wars EU to "Legends". Except it doesn't work with Star Wars because The Empire and Republic would logically have kept better records. Star Trek had to invent a whole other timeline because they literally have an encyclopedia planet that catalogues everything in perfect detail, so you can't do the same thing in that universe either.
 
L50LasPak said:
You know as someone who isn't a hardcore Warhammer 40k nerd but is a hardcore sci-fi nerd I kind of like how easily stuff can get lost in the cracks in this universe. Since history isn't well-maintained in the Imperium, you can basically pretend whatever parts of the lore or rules are just false and pick and choose what to believe in yourself.

As someone who is also a history nerd, this is astonishingly true to life as you can never know *all* of history. Its impossible. You may be an expert in one part of it and know precisely how certain events in a certain time in a certain place went down, but on some events you have to just make a judgement call on what you think actually happened. It sounds like you can do this with any setting, but unlike say Star Wars or Star Trek, Warhammer 40k works this into the canon by making the Imperium and the galaxy as a whole a mess that is literally too big to comprehend.

Its a brilliant storytelling move and also such a good marketing gimmick that Disney tried to steal it by renaming the Star Wars EU to "Legends". Except it doesn't work with Star Wars because The Empire and Republic would logically have kept better records. Star Trek had to invent a whole other timeline because they literally have an encyclopedia planet that catalogues everything in perfect detail, so you can't do the same thing in that universe either.
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That doesn't really work in this case, since a lack of lore concerning your preferred race also constitutes a lack of support from GW that can further translate into a lack of continued model updates or shutting down the line entirely (RIP Squats). Additionally, the story isn't solely told from the perspective of the Imperium: there have been countless times where the narrative takes a neutral perspective and describes events that aren't linked to any one person.

There is more than enough opportunity to extrapolate further on the other races; it simply happens a lot less now than it used to. Believe me: as a hobbyist it isn't fun when the race you pick doesn't receive anything since forever and still has a collection of models which are predominantly metal as opposed to plastic. But nah, release more plastic Space Marines, don't have enough of those...
 
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