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I thought that specific name, not merely a renaming in general, was offered to Horus and his Legion because of the aforementioned similarities. The Emperor's known to have a very... dry sense of humor at times.
Yeah, it was the name "Sons of Horus." Probably for that reason. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

This is all fresh in my brain as I'm rereading the HH books. As I'm another autistic completionist, I'm trying to slog through #8 Battle for the Abyss right now, but, as 1d4chan puts it, it's so bad other authors tried to retcon it out of existence. I don't think it's quite as bad as they imply it is but it's definitely not very good. Ben Counter's other book, Galaxy in Flames, is quite solid though. 1d4chan again has interesting perspective on him. "According to regulars at his FLGS, he spends a disproportionate amount of time torturing himself for the fact he might be writing fluff violations he isn't aware of."

Descent of Angels is not as good as I remember it (I like Dark Angels), definitely needed some more editing, has some infelicitous continuity errors and has young kids talking just like grown ups which is weird and annoying.

The first four books are as good as I remembered them. Fulgrim I thought was a little overlong, but good as well. As I'd mentioned, Legion is one of my favorite BL books hands down and I've read it 3 or 4 times now.
 
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Today has been rife with memes to say the least.
 
All idiocy from Arch aside, that does happen, but only in cases of severe genetic degradation, like the Raven Guard.
Was he bitching about that shit again? I don’t remember anyone freaking out when Jonah Orion was in Dawn of War 2, but now when a model is painted with darker skin tones all hell breaks loose.
 
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Yeah, it was the name "Sons of Horus." Probably for that reason. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

This is all fresh in my brain as I'm rereading the HH books. As I'm another autistic completionist, I'm trying to slog through #8 Battle for the Abyss right now, but, as 1d4chan puts it, it's so bad other authors tried to retcon it out of existence. I don't think it's quite as bad as they imply it is but it's definitely not very good. Ben Counter's other book, Galaxy in Flames, is quite solid though. 1d4chan again has interesting perspective on him. "According to regulars at his FLGS, he spends a disproportionate amount of time torturing himself for the fact he might be writing fluff violations he isn't aware of."

Descent of Angels is not as good as I remember it (I like Dark Angels), definitely needed some more editing, has some infelicitous continuity errors and has young kids talking just like grown ups which is weird and annoying.

The first four books are as good as I remembered them. Fulgrim I thought was a little overlong, but good as well. As I'd mentioned, Legion is one of my favorite BL books hands down and I've read it 3 or 4 times now.
I am also rereading from book one. Just got to Betrayer. I echo your thoughts on almost all of that.

Yeah "true sons of Horus" was the name given to anyone who resembled him. They did do better at rank climbing and then only became an official name after Davin.
 
Was he bitching about that shit again? I don’t remember anyone freaking out when Jonah Orion was in Dawn of War 2, but now when a model is painted with darker skin tones all hell breaks loose.

It's not a model, it's the melaninated Ultramarine on the cover of the new narrative moving books starting with the launch of 9th.
 
It's not a model, it's the melaninated Ultramarine on the cover of the new narrative moving books starting with the launch of 9th.
Let me guess, he said something asinine like the geen seed was supposed to bleach his skin right?
 
It's not a model, it's the melaninated Ultramarine on the cover of the new narrative moving books starting with the launch of 9th.
Let me guess, he said something asinine like the geen seed was supposed to bleach his skin right?
To give this one a really spergy thunk: given that Macragge is a pretty Earth-like world, as are probably many other worlds in Ultramar that UM recruit from, it stands to reason that there's regions of that planet that would cause humans to develop melinated skin over thousands of years, just like there are on Terra in our time. Conversely the Imperial Fists might not be so melinated as they recruit from Inwit (homogenous icescape) and Terra and Necromunda (hive worlds) both of which would lead to populations developing light skin over thousands of years (Vaults of Terra: Carrion Throne describes Terrans as uniformly pale and kinda sickly-looking for that reason. Although other works have described people of varying skin tones from hive worlds.) So if you're going to REEEEEEEE about nigger space marines, it doesn't even make (heavily autistic) sense to do it about Ultras.

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Let me guess, he said something asinine like the geen seed was supposed to bleach his skin right?

More along the lines of the Gene Seed is suppose to make them into miniclones of the primarch and that the Melanochrome organ should make them match Girlyman's skin tone, and that he'd only be a darkie if he was getting irradiated. It's one of those videos that really reminds me that Arch is a guy who thinks Sargon is someone cool to attach his brand to.
 
and that he'd only be a darkie if he was getting irradiated. It's one of those videos that really reminds me that Arch is a guy who thinks Sargon is someone cool to attach his brand to.
I dont know this arch guy, but he seems to be a lorelet or just a retard. Last I checked, radiation turning astartes black is specific to the salamander's gene seed defect.

To give this one a really spergy thunk: given that Macragge is a pretty Earth-like world, as are probably many other worlds in Ultramar that UM recruit from, it stands to reason that there's regions of that planet that would cause humans to develop melinated skin over thousands of years, just like there are on Terra in our time. Conversely the Imperial Fists might not be so melinated as they recruit from Inwit (homogenous icescape) and Terra and Necromunda (hive worlds) both of which would lead to populations developing light skin over thousands of years (Vaults of Terra: Carrion Throne describes Terrans as uniformly pale and kinda sickly-looking for that reason. Although other works have described people of varying skin tones from hive worlds.) So if you're going to REEEEEEEE about nigger space marines, it doesn't even make (heavily autistic) sense to do it about Ultras.

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there could be... you know... just black people hanging around. Ultramar seems like a rather multicultural place given its sheer size.
 
More along the lines of the Gene Seed is suppose to make them into miniclones of the primarch and that the Melanochrome organ should make them match Girlyman's skin tone, and that he'd only be a darkie if he was getting irradiated. It's one of those videos that really reminds me that Arch is a guy who thinks Sargon is someone cool to attach his brand to.
Wouldn’t that make it really easy to figure out a chapter’s primarch?

MajorKill was right, Arch does twist the lore to match his politics.
 
Iirc, the only "multi-cultural" chapter is the White Scars. Their culture is a casserole of east Asia cultures. Mostly because the writers weren't wanting them to be stereotypical of any one Asian culture, so they just mashed them all together.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the celestial lions are mostly black and recruit from what is essentially planet Africa with a strongly implied African story based tribal culture.

And they are sons of fucking Rogal Dorn.


Also the black ultramarine is a primaris. Making the whole discussion even more retarded because Cawl could have pulled him out from God knows where.
 
If they really want to be shitheads, we need a black Space Wolf. This basic bitch "lawd, one of Charlie Brown's friends is a negruh" isn't enough to get good boy points.

I'm all for hating social justice claptrap, but you can't strike at harmless stuff.
 
If they really want to be shitheads, we need a black Space Wolf. This basic bitch "lawd, one of Charlie Brown's friends is a negruh" isn't enough to get good boy points.

I'm all for hating social justice claptrap, but you can't strike at harmless stuff.
You might as well assume all chapters have different races now because of primaris marines. Its a moot argument.
 
Custodes are chad af and have a great aesthetic but I don’t regret starting dark angels over them.

I ironically have collected a sizable Space Marine force completely on accident while trying to collect AdMech and Custodes. It's a bit silly. And now I'm even considering picking up some Vanguard Primaris because while I hate that Primaris don't really fit the look of 40k, I do like their look.

it wouldnt be the first crusaders they made either
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also like that bone hand pendant/talisman? its kinda kino, maybe primaris can start getting it right.

What in the world does "kino" mean in this context? Seen it used a few times.

Working on custodes. Rethinking them because host rules trigger my autism of "I can fucking play them as solar watch if they are painted as dread host". So I have been workshopping an OC host just to consolidate my autism. They are the Custodi Janatoriati and their job is to sweep it up.

But in all seriousness Im just gonna paint them normal color scheme, but change the red on the tassles and pauldron to a green. Ill leave the plume normal.

Yeah, I have one Custodes done, and it was the generic "all gold with a single red pauldron" look from the HH. But now we know the new rules absolutely, definitely, have rules for specific hosts, and I feel justified stopping painting until they come in.

Was he bitching about that shit again? I don’t remember anyone freaking out when Jonah Orion was in Dawn of War 2, but now when a model is painted with darker skin tones all hell breaks loose.

Gonna have to re-watch it, but... No, actually. His stance IIRC was that it was a nothingburger. That a black Ultramarine made perfect sense given how many worlds the Ultramarines recruit from. (Edit: But that Ultramarines would end up looking like Guilliman at least somewhat.)


He did point out that the Gene Seed would make the Space Marines tend to take on the racial characteristics / skintone of their Primarch, but that any significant length of time in a high UV environment would leave them dark skinned, at least temporarily, due to the Melanochrome. I don't remember if it was him or someone else that cited one of the BL novels in which some White Scar recruits end up taking on the racial characteristics of their primarch, being indistinguishable from people from the primarch's homeworld by the end, but yeah. His stance was basically, it's not a big deal, nothing to get worked up over, the Melanochrome and Gene-Seed treatment would make even a black Space Marine take on characteristics of Guilliman, but again, stupid thing to get worked up over... and yes, it's still probably pandering by GW.

Basically, Sigmarxism thought Arch would take a huge "no niggers allowed" stance, he didn't, but they either didn't watch his video or consulted the imaginary Arch that exists in their minds for his opinion instead, so it's all good, they have their evil nahzzii to fight.

Edit: Rewatching it, he covers the lore mentions of...
  • That the radioactive hellscapes of Baal result in pretty boy Blood Angels despite their aspirants' not doing so well.
  • That the Night Lords and Raven Guard are all super pale because of their primarch
  • That in one HH novel the Khan learns that one of the new marines he's working with is from Terra and looks racially identical to all the other recruits from Chogoris (so the process apparently normalizes racial differences to match the chapter's)
  • And that Vulkan was apparently Black, because the Salamanders were doing the Melanochrome thing from the very beginning and the Emperor never mentioned it. So they were black from the beginning, as well as coal black from the mutation. And the mutation isn't instant, it's just that the Salamander's Melanochrome's malfunction is that it never shuts off.
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I dont know this arch guy, but he seems to be a lorelet or just a retard. Last I checked, radiation turning astartes black is specific to the salamander's gene seed defect.

Not quite. The Salamander's defect is they turn coal black and stay that way. All Space Marines can turn darked skin based on UV radiation, due to the Melanochrome organ:

The Melanochrome is the 13th of the 19 genetically-engineered gene-seed organs that are implanted into a Space Marine Neophyte to produce a new Astartes. This hormonal implant is attached to the human lymphatic system and controls the amount of melanin in a Space Marine's skin.

Exposure to high levels of sunlight will result in the Astartes' skin naturally darkening to compensate. It also protects the Space Marine from other forms of electromagnetic radiation. Different levels of radiation cause variations of skin colour in different Chapters due to mutations in the Melanochrome organ's gene-seed. This can be related to the unusually pale skin of the Blood Angels and the Raven Guard as well as their Successor Chapters, and the dark black skin and red eyes of the Salamanders.

The Salamander's Melanochrome doesn't turn off, so they constantly turn darker until they're coal black. Vulkan apparently was also black, too, so it's a double whammy.

If GW wanted to actually cause some lore headaches, give us a dark skinned Raven Guard, Blood Angel, or Night Lord.

... Actually, a Blood Angel looking like some shitty metrosexual faux gangster rap album cover would be fucking hilarious.
 
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I dont know this arch guy, but he seems to be a lorelet or just a retard. Last I checked, radiation turning astartes black is specific to the salamander's gene seed defect.

Salamanders are more than melaninated, they are jet black. However, most Astartes(I'm not sure of one that doesn't off the top of my head, but we have the 21st Founding that made an entire Space Marine Chapter of Human Torches, so who the fuck knows) have the Melanochrome as one of the organs that make them an Astartes, which allows their skin to change color in response to different planet's spectra. I think a deficiency in that organ is what makes the Salamanders and Raven Guard Ebony and Ivory. So fighting on a stellar blasted rock(or going against PDF voluntary reserve level Lasgun fire) would make most Space Marines Joe Biden voters.
 
Lorewise, are the Eldar known to be (sometimes) dark skinned too or are they all pasty white LotR elven fairies. The craftworld codex art shows some interesting tanned examples, I dig that look.
 
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whats the aim? here cause it feels way fucking off. i despair when they attempt at priming termi's.
I think the buggy could work if it was crewed by scouts instead of full battle brothers to show it was for recon purposes. It would also work well for a guard regiment like the Elysian drop troopers that can't field armor. That said I want to know who came up with the idea to put space marines in a go kart without it being a shitpost. I have to assume space monasteries now have tracks that they race on for chapter honors now.

Also space marines manning placed weapons seems like a waste of a space marine. How long before they make a model of a Primaris marine sitting behind a desk doing paper work in his armor?
 
How long before they make a model of a Primaris marine sitting behind a desk doing paper work in his armor?

“Brother Marcus the adminstratum requires the end of year financial report in triplicate as well as a full list of all deductibles we can carry over into the first quarter of the next fiscal year”

“But brother sergeant that was brother Odious task was it not?”

“Apologies Brother Marcus but Brother Odious has had to leave early due to severe migraine”
 
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