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Polyboros2 said:
IIRC it's not Rubicon Primaris in on the Fallen, they let Cawl boys in to their chapter secret. Something a lot of people found very out of character. In my idea that's the breaking point. Girlyman Indominus Crusade Primaris rat out the Dark Angels, with the best of intentions (so that the Fallen can be sought out better. To be fair I don't like the Dark Angels). The Inquisiton tells them they better come and answer some questions and/or face sanction. Meanwhile, the Fallen start cosplaying Dark Angels raiding worlds and leaving Dark Angel gene seeded corpses behind.
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Wasn't the big thing that some old Dark Angel character from an older box got redone as a Primaris? I seem to remember some short story about the Unforgiven inner circle talking about how they could trust him because he was Unforgiven before he was Primaris.

But yeah, your idea is awesome, which is why it'd never be done by GW. Too awesome. And what would they do with the Dark Angel Primaris marines? Spin them off?

One thing I do seem to remember from the DA deep lore is that they never broke up their legion. Not "really." They have chapters in order to shut the Lords of Terra up and keep the Inquisition off their back, but they consider themselves one giant legion and not a bunch of chapters. Or am I thinking of some other 1st founding's background?
 
Imperialist #348 said:
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also what are peoples thoughts on perpetuals? cause having glanced over erda and other perps they seem like more and more bullshit, hell the only one i like apart from emps and the primarchs was Ollanius,and that was before him being made a perp.
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Vulcan is the only perpetual primarch last I checked.

Also have the minotaurs been 100% confirmed to be iron warrior geneseeds yet? It's still the only explanation I can think of for them being such seething faggots.
 
Imperialist #348 said:
what? i thought the minotards were homemade by the lords of terra/Inquisition, and basically their super warrior hitmen?
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There have been implications that the gene seed used for the bronze minotaurs are an adapted iron warrior gene seed. Due to them sharing characteristics, specifically the abnormally high acceptance rate. The also have the same autistic tendancies. That being why high Lords are so secretive with them.
 
Love_Machine011 said:
Vulcan is the only perpetual primarch last I checked.

Also have the minotaurs been 100% confirmed to be iron warrior geneseeds yet? It's still the only explanation I can think of for them being such seething faggots.
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I always thought they were of World Eater stock?
Given their battlefield tactics and such.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
I always thought they were of World Eater stock?
Given their battlefield tactics and such.
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Turns out you're both right. They retconned them from being World Eater Traitor Legion Loyalists to Iron Warrior Traitor Legion Loyalists. but like all the TLLs, they are forever unconfirmed.


    • (Old Lore) (World Eaters) - Speculated. Similar battle doctrine, known for being complete berzerkers in battle.
    • (Revamped Lore) (Iron Warriors) - All but confirmed. They maintain a similar battle doctrine that favours close combat but is now also focused on pragmatic, siege, and attrition warfare tactics (their special rule is a near exact match for the Horus Heresy Iron Warrior's signature special rules). Their Ancient Greek theme also matches up with the Iron Warriors, and their gene-seed is mentioned to have extremely high assimilation rates, just like the IVth Legion of old. They even have records of action dating back to M32. Edwin Brown, a playtester for the Badab War books, has also stated that the Minotaurs use Iron Warrior gene-seed. Of note: the lore alludes to the possibility of there having been another Chapter called the "Minotaurs" more similar to the old lore descriptions, being part of the 21st Cursed Founding of M36, and references to chimeric gene-seed, adding to the the confusion of it all. Presumably, the OG Chapter had chimeric World Eater/someone else geneseed and their extinction was hushed up to secretly refound them as Iron Warriors under the direct command of the High Lords of Terra. One of the Badab War writers said that they were loyalist Iron Warriors rediscovered during the Great Scouring in a distant garrison who hadn't received the news of the Heresy AT ALL, somehow. They were allowed to remain under a short leash by the High Lords. Again presumably, the Cursed Founding World Eater/someone else chimera Minotaurs being destroyed in a sufficiently deniable fashion allowed the High Lords to get this secret unit formalised.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
Beyond Ward, it's ADB. He's the reason there's no traitor legion loyalists, supposedly. Only his precious widdle chaos marines (who were totally in the right and the emperor suxxors) can be special. All others must be boring NPCs that die to his awesomeness!
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Personally, I think traitor Gene-seed loyal chapters are better off as mysteries than confirmed, like the missing Primarchs. GW left it open by making a point that Cawl had access to all twenty Gene-seeds when making the Primaris, I think specifically to not kill any theories about progenator Primarchs.
 
Although I like the idea of Marines Malevolent being Iron Warriors successors, I also like the thought of them being Night Lords successors. They have the same preoccupation with seeing guilt everywhere.
 
What's everyone's thoughts on the Steel Confessors. GW kinda made them redundant with the Skitarii but I think a chapter full of shining metallic monks with admech tech is neat.
 
I'd rather get away from the SM vs CSM paradigm. The new edition has this strong Necron push and I like it. I'd be open to the narrative having another War of the Beast level outside threat to the Imperium.
 
You'd think Necrons as the main baddies now means eldar are finally getting those fabled updated aspbrWhaha haha... I can't even finish that without breaking into laughter and tears 🤪
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I'd rather get away from the SM vs CSM paradigm. The new edition has this strong Necron push and I like it. I'd be open to the narrative having another War of the Beast level outside threat to the Imperium.
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I'm sorry bro... It was a ploy to make necron players buy the new plastic.
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I legit initially saw that as just an increasingly more absurd shoulder pauldron with a rod sticking out of it and was wondering if GW half made the Abbadon the Armless meme true.
 
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