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Inquisitor_BadAss said:
The ones out of the vigilus campaign books.
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.... My Sword Brethren Detachment?????
Why must I suffer?

Does this mean the Chaos Space Marine Specialist Detachments are gone, too?


UPDATE:
They didn't get squatted, it's just for tournaments and matched play:
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Polyboros2 said:
I believe it's somewhat alluded too that a large number of II and or XI Legion marines were rebranded into Ultramarines and Iron Hands after their Primarchs got Russed. I personally like to believe one legion had to be purged, one just the Primarch and his senior staff. So it'd make sense for well established Imperial Fists successors to discover they have no relation to Dorn.
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Wasn't that part of the Rangdan Xenocides? Shit got so fucking terrible the II and XI in their entirety got thrown into shit even the DKoK would balk at, and eventually the DA and Space Wolves had to get called in to go murder everything, including their remnants and whatever humans were still alive.
 
Snekposter said:
Wasn't that part of the Rangdan Xenocides? Shit got so fucking terrible the II and XI in their entirety got thrown into shit even the DKoK would balk at, and eventually the DA and Space Wolves had to get called in to go murder everything, including their remnants and whatever humans were still alive.
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The Lion took overall command of the campaign, it was his first campaign in a trial by fire thing. I'm not sure about the II, but the XI was implied to have been purged for going renegade or becoming corrupted. Horus threw a fit around Malcador who ordered the censure of both legions and forbade anyone to even speak their names. Horus in defiance tried to speak his brother's name by uttering "Mal...al" while Malcador tried to implode his brain for his insubordination. Rogal and "Alpharius" managed to talk the Sigilite down, Horus flipped a table before flipping Malcador the bird when he had his back turned. From what hints have been dropped this is about as close to the whole picture we can piece together in regards to the XI. Of course, if Malal(or if Horus was just trying to tell Malcador to stop) was the XI primarch's name that could have some interesting insights as to why they purged.

When a few Word Bearer captains were informed about loyal astartes from the lost legions being absorbed into the Ultramarines, one of them brushes it off as nonsense but the other does note that the Ultramarines legion is on record as receiving a boost of troops around the time they were expunged. I guess it's up to the reader, but I think it's cool that in the "current age" there are astartes from Ultramar bearing gene-seed from one of the missing primarchs.
 
I was gonna say that there officially and intentionally isn't any fluff for the 2nd and 11th, but reviewing the 1d4chan article, there's enough to make a general timeline, at least.

  • 792.M30, the Primarchs were created . The 11th is still "innocent and pure". The Primarchs are scattered.
  • 798.M30, The Great Crusade began.
  • The 2nd Primarch is found and reunited. He is the 3rd Primarch found, after Horus and Russ.
  • Sometime during the early years of the Great Crusade, the 2nd Primarch leads and expedition to the Ymga Monolith in the Attila System of the Ultima Segmentum.
  • After the discovery of Guilliman, the (then) 8 found Primarchs all met up. The 2nd accused Fulgrim of hubris. Fulgrim feels the 2nd was guilty of the same and called him out on hypocrisy.
  • Magnus is found and all (then) 9 found Primarchs meet up.
  • Around the time Lion El Johnson (11th to be found) was discovered, the the two lost Primarchs had not yet done whatever made them get un-personed.
  • Between the 890s.M30 - 930s.M30, both the 2nd and 11th Legions were deployed along with the Solar Auxillia to the Rangdan Xenocides. This is the last recorded action of either Legion. Something happened to them during this war. An Alpharius (who may or may not be THE Alpharius) met Lion and offered to manage the mess here in his stead. Clearly any non-Primarch person can just march in to meet Lion and ask to take away his job!
  • approx. 898.M30 Corax, the 18th Primarch discovered, is found "around a century" after the start of the Great Crusade.
  • Between 898.M30 - 963.M30, the 11th Primarch is discovered. At some point he is reunited with his legion.
  • The information of the lost Primarchs and their Legions is wiped, leaving Alpharius as the only non-lost Primarch to not see all others at least once (if the Rangda's Alpharius is someone else entirely) .
  • 981.M30 Alpharius Omegon is discovered and (or at least) given leadership of the XX Legion (the at least is because Horus found him/them first and took a while to tell others this).
  • Between 981.M30 - 000.M31 Horus confronts Malcador about the destruction of the lost Primarch's statutes in the Reliquary. Says that one of them is "Malal" or was trying to beg Malcador from force choking him.
  • 000.M31, Magnus mentions its the first time since [REDACTED] 9 Primarchs have met up in one place. Its likely that Magnus wanted to say something like "Since the 2nd was with us.".
So yeah. Something about the Rangdan Xenocides took out two entire legions, or at least their primarchs -- apparently Dorn and Gilliman both petitioned to have their marines mind-wiped and put into other chapters, and it's seriously implied this happened.

We do know they're known as The Forgotten (The Primarch of the II) and The Purged (The Primarch of the XI). Which would make a stupidly good name for a Edition starter set, or even a BL novel series.

Warhammer 40k: The Forgotten and The Purged, with some sort of newish looking Space Marines / Chaos Space Marines in color schemes and iconography no one recognizes on the cover. Maybe a re-launch of the Warhammer 30k style models and equipment? Seeing a HH Legion or two, complete with logistical support network, show up in the 42nd millennium would be... odd.

One thing I did just find in the fluff is the 0th Primarch, the Prototype.


"The Angel is the answer to the question of "what if the Primarchs were completely pure and brought up under the Emperor's guidance instead of being scattered?" and that answer is "omnicidal maniac.""
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
And how would they write them back into the fluff? Bigass fleet of them bursts out of the warp someplace carrying some Primarch with them, saving the Imperium somehow? The Squats showing up to defend Terra against some Tyranid Hive Fleet that shows up out of the blue?
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Via the Imperial Guard.

"Abhuman regiment".

Those are already a thing.

Imperialist #348 said:
well given how thade was pissed that a green as grass chapter was taking over residency of their venerable monsatery, which had him saying to the chapter master of said sable swords that their basically not worthy of such a prestigious holding, so looking at that incident i doubt thade would be any less merciful to primaris filling their ranks seeing as they are the greenest guys around
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I've always wanted to see a Chapter Master who was a Dreadnought. That would be totally wizard.
 
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I am the only one who thinks gw wants to take away the ability to resell old armies and with the ebay thing, scalpers were just a convenient excuse?

Scalpers do not hurt their bottom line, but resold old armies do.


Dunkirk said:
It would have been for the best if the Newcrons were a distinct minority as to mirror the Eldar. You would have two factions, one stuck to the old ways (Oldcrons and Deldar) and the other treading a relativiely new path (Newcrons and Craftworld). You'd be able to get the personality of the newcrons in this minority, as well as a good explation as to why the change, without sacrificing the original idea.
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That Chris Guy said:
Oldcrons had their moments:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QTESLdiHfHQ
They provided the archetype of an ancient enemy. Where the Tyranids were a constantly evolving entity from some other place of an unknown age, the Necrons were an ancient race that was already so far ahead that any evolution wasn't necessary, and it served as a nice juxtaposition. The Eldar feared them, the Tyranids avoided them, the Mechanicus were driven to madness, and two of the most lethal types of Assassinorium agents had disturbing ties to their technology.

They are more like Metal Tomb Kings now, right down to overthrowing Nagash, and as cool as that sounds it just feels like being cybernetic is their only remaining gimmick.
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Yeah, I really wish there was a "C'tan ruled old cron" sub-army , that could also be an interseting necrons vs necron civil war storyline. The C'tan heresy!
 
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Speaking of which, I have a theory that there are three Alpharius's, because there are a lot of three's poping up around them (3 heads of the hydra, 3 origin stories). With the justification that the Emperor hid one of them on another lab, so he wasn't taken away by the chaos gods.
Of course, it doesn't really advance the lore in any way and only raises more questions but that's par the course for 40k.
 
Bunch of forge world stuff is about to be sold out and GW says they arent gonna be refreshed for a while. So I would go check it out if you were planning on some FW shit.
 
Male Idiot said:
I am the only one who thinks gw wants to take away the ability to resell old armies and with the ebay thing, scalpers were just a convenient excuse?

Scalpers do not hurt their bottom line, but resold old armies do.





Yeah, I really wish there was a "C'tan ruled old cron" sub-army , that could also be an interseting necrons vs necron civil war storyline. The C'tan heresy!
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C’tan are fun. Tomb Kangz in space are kinda dull outside of a few characters.
Which is ironic, because standard Kangz are great.
 
Ted_Breakfast said:
Coincidentally, I love Tomb Kings. But Newcrons somehow manage to not scratch the same itch.

I miss the old Necron Wraith models.
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It would have been nice if there was a middle ground. Still enslaved by C’tan, but personalities are beginning to wake up and as a result there’s more bickering between both the Crons and their Gods.
 
HumanHive said:
It would have been nice if there was a middle ground. Still enslaved by C’tan, but personalities are beginning to wake up and as a result there’s more bickering between both the Crons and their Gods.
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It would certainly give those old 3rd edition players some of that appeal back. The fluff in the 3rd edition necron 'dex was great, it was creepy and engaging. There was just some thing disturbing about the first race in the galaxy to reach sentience naturally, awakening and exterminating all life under the command of mad gods.
 
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HTTP Error 404 said:
So I have enough to make a basic CSM kill team out of the Dark Imperium box. Wanna get a few Reivers to make a similar SM team -- basically, I have everything except for the Primaris Reivers to make the "First Strike Kill Teams" based on the 8e Mini-box, First Strike. Would probably paint them as former Deathwatch so I could run them as a DW KT instead of a SM KT.

I think they have to be Death Guard, not specifically CSM, though, which is sad cause I'd rather go... Black Legion? Sons of Malice? The Cleaved? Alpha Legion? Not sure.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=lIrZctPBthY
Sigmarxism and their goons are trying to get Youtube to remove Arch over the email campaign.
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Sigmarxism and Arch are both shit and nothing of value would be lost if they went away.
 
Male Idiot said:
I am the only one who thinks gw wants to take away the ability to resell old armies and with the ebay thing, scalpers were just a convenient excuse?

Scalpers do not hurt their bottom line, but resold old armies do.





Yeah, I really wish there was a "C'tan ruled old cron" sub-army , that could also be an interseting necrons vs necron civil war storyline. The C'tan heresy!
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Well from Chaoter Master Valrak has said the way GW stopped the Indomitus scalpers was sending a copyright image claim to eBay.


However I don’t think there is actually any way for them to stop someone selling stuff secondhand.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
We do know they're known as The Forgotten (The Primarch of the II) and The Purged (The Primarch of the XI). Which would make a stupidly good name for a Edition starter set, or even a BL novel series.
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eh, not a fan. they should just keep the mystery so everybody can make up their own minds with bits and pieces dropped here and there. nerding out about it is half the fun anyway

also apparently I watched way too much anime, black library wasn't the first thing I thought of when reading BL... hilariously it still kinda works.
 
ZMOT said:
eh, not a fan. they should just keep the mystery so everybody can make up their own minds with bits and pieces dropped here and there. nerding out about it is half the fun anyway

also apparently I watched way too much anime, black library wasn't the first thing I thought of when reading BL... hilariously it still kinda works.
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I wish they didn't straight out debunk the theory that Sigmar was one of the lost primarchs. That used to be my favorite head cannon.
 
Well Fantasy debunked that, though it would be odd if anything in Fantasy could hurt a primarch save a greater demon.
 
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