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Our Most Holy Primarch has clearly been corrupted by the influence of that Xenos Witch, doubtlessly during his resurrection given his conduct since, all part of some foul plot by aliens and heretics to weaken the Imperium. Only the most foolish or most corrupted would deny the endless supplies of easily replaceable manpower our most holy Imperium has, and the ensuing worthlessness of human life next to a single world of His Divine Majesty, and while Primarchs can be corrupted, they are not inherently foolish. - Some Douchebag on Terra
 
While I’m getting consistent results I remember why I hate hand priming my dudes. Despite getting consistent results it’s taking about 20 minutes to get one guy done.

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If the weather is any good today I’ll be able to do the rest with a spray can instead.
 
I just finished reading Unremembered Empire. I thought it was pretty good but all the shit with John and the cabal is starting to annoy me a little. Also my reading list must be incomplete, because I missed how Cruze got onto the Invincible Reason, which book is that in?
 
Snekposter said:
Our Most Holy Primarch has clearly been corrupted by the influence of that Xenos Witch, doubtlessly during his resurrection given his conduct since, all part of some foul plot by aliens and heretics to weaken the Imperium. Only the most foolish or most corrupted would deny the endless supplies of easily replaceable manpower our most holy Imperium has, and the ensuing worthlessness of human life next to a single world of His Divine Majesty, and while Primarchs can be corrupted, they are not inherently foolish. - Some Douchebag on Terra
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This is Space Marines Guilliman is dealing with. Which just means you'll have the same thing play out where it's some dickhead Chapter Master drawn from some shithole savage world proclaiming how Guilliman can't really be a primarch. No real primarch could insist that it would be a bad idea for selection of space marines to proceed by taking the best and brightest young boys, then winnowing them down by excruciating trials which select for savagery and luck far more loyalty and intelligence, and kill or cripple many of the remainder, no matter that some of them were probably better picks than those who lived.

I remember the Spears of the Emperor being openly disparaging of Guilliman as a counterfeit in Spear of the Emperor and in a couple of other books many of all factions talking about how some thought Guilliman was trying to heretically obtain the Emperor's position for himself. I wonder how widespread that is. Certainly plausible, but also possibly setting up a civil war when a second primarch returns. (The Lion would be narrow-minded and autistic enough to not understand what Guilliman's doing and split the Imperium apart; Russ might be stupid enough.)

ScrappyLobsterchu said:
I just finished reading Unremembered Empire. I thought it was pretty good but all the shit with John and the cabal is starting to annoy me a little. Also my reading list must be incomplete, because I missed how Cruze got onto the Invincible Reason, which book is that in?
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I haven't read the book as yet (although I will since it's an Abnett book), but I've thought several times of how the cover art makes primarchs seem even more absurdly large than previous estimates would put them at.

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I think the theory is that the trials select for sheer murder capacity and brutalry.

Genetic compatibility is required, that could be scanned.

Since the HH the psycho indoctrination instills loyalty and faithfulness, unless the new Nuhammer retconned it .

Intelligence and physical traits is boosted by the geneseed.

So what is left is sheer brutality though it is odd that that can not engineered in with the geneseed.

Theoretically you could recruit the most fitting recruits just by VR simulations, the Techmarines could do it.

It is just inconvenient to do and its not if the Imperium does not have six vigintillion kids to spare without noticing.
 
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The point about the recruitment standards actually does make a lot of sense overall when you start comparing the pool space marines draw from to what you see IRL. Most of the US's combat troops aren't hardened criminals or backwoods savages but are typically middle class suburbanites with some lower class social climbers sprinkled in.
 
Yeah but most of those things can be altered by the geneseed and the hypno conditioning.

All you need is genetic compatibility, and you can rewrite the rest.

But since manpower practically infinite in the Imperium, it is not an issue, the chapters can be wasteful if it saves them a little bit of electronics.
 
Male Idiot said:
I think the theory is that the trials select for sheer murder capacity and brutalry.

Genetic compatibility is required, that could be scanned.

Since the HH the psycho indoctrination instills loyalty and faithfulness, unless the new Nuhammer retconned it .

Intelligence and physical traits is boosted by the geneseed.

So what is left is sheer brutality though it is odd that that can not engineered in with the geneseed.

Theoretically you could recruit the most fitting recruits just by VR simulations, the Techmarines could do it.

It is just inconvenient to do and its not if the Imperium does not have six vigintillion kids to spare without noticing.
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Aggression can be modified too, though - and from my familiarity with current studies into gene associations and an extremely rudimentary familiarity with human biology, much more easily than something like intelligence. Anyway, while the Imperium as a whole can afford to be wasteful, sure, optimising it would have better outcomes for the Imperium (Guilliman's little bureaucratic heart would undoubtedly beat faster at the thought of such optimisation) .
 
ScrappyLobsterchu said:
I just finished reading Unremembered Empire. I thought it was pretty good but all the shit with John and the cabal is starting to annoy me a little. Also my reading list must be incomplete, because I missed how Cruze got onto the Invincible Reason, which book is that in?
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Think it's the short story Prince of Crows though there are a few shorts that follow the Dark Angels vs Night Lords Thramas Crusade storyline into the Imperium Secundus related novels.
 
Inquisitor_BadAss said:
While I’m getting consistent results I remember why I hate hand priming my dudes. Despite getting consistent results it’s taking about 20 minutes to get one guy done.

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If the weather is any good today I’ll be able to do the rest with a spray can instead.
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I must be misunderstanding. Do you mean basecoating? Because when I hand prime brushing on Stynylrez black, it's not necessarily a 100% black coat. It's mostly but there's still the occasional swirl of dark grey in it.

I just went through basecoating a tactical squad in khorne red and jesus christ it took like 3-4 layers. Thinking I'm diluting my paint too much under the fear of obscuring detail.
 
Someone leaked the rules for the new Lokhust Heavy Destroyer, Firestrike Turret, and Invader ATV.

Apparently Multi-meltas will now be Heavy 2, which will be game changing if true for every army.
 
Failed Lurker said:
Think it's the short story Prince of Crows though there are a few shorts that follow the Dark Angels vs Night Lords Thramas Crusade storyline into the Imperium Secundus related novels.
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Aye, The Lion from The Primarchs anthology and Prince of Crows from Shadows of Treachery, I believe... I might have that the other way around, it's been a while.
 
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I absolutely love this image, literally a famous historical shitpost.

About Girlyman saying that recuitment with high fatality waste, it depends on the tests in question. Being indoctrinated and trained won't necessarily make you loyal or a good fighter, you need to have the basic aptitude for both in order to be a good SM, and tests with actual risks can push candidates to the limit. That being said, some of the tests are literally luck based missions, death battles that are likely to kill good candidates by the strongest warrior, or ones that are counter productive to having a functioning warrior (like having the candidates form a team and then telling them to kill each other in order to advance forward. WTF).
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I absolutely love this image, literally a famous historical shitpost.

About Girlyman saying that recuitment with high fatality waste, it depends on the tests in question. Being indoctrinated and trained won't necessarily make you loyal or a good fighter, you need to have the basic aptitude for both in order to be a good SM, and tests with actual risks can push candidates to the limit. That being said, some of the tests are literally luck based missions, death battles that are likely to kill good candidates by the strongest warrior, or ones that are counter productive to having a functioning warrior (like having the candidates form a team and then telling them to kill each other in order to advance forward. WTF).
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And that's from the Blood Angels, who have a fairly good aspirant:space marine ratio. I can't remember where I read it, but the Imperial Fists are something like an order of magnitude worse in pure numbers, presumably because they kill anyone who doesn't get an erection from hurting themselves.
 
Affluent Reptilian said:
Certainly plausible, but also possibly setting up a civil war when a second primarch returns. (The Lion would be narrow-minded and autistic enough to not understand what Guilliman's doing and split the Imperium apart; Russ might be stupid enough.)
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That whole "You just wanna be Emperor" deal got... terribly resolved in the aftermath of the Imperium Secundus, but since Daddy is just a corpse on a throne right now G-Man taking his job as Supreme Ruler of Mankind is quite possibly the least-bad outcome. The Lion's always been a suspicious, mistrusting narrow-minded autist, but I doubt he'll back the High Lords over his brother. "Hey, bro, you know that Great Crusade deal to free mankind from ignorance and all that? Look what the Adeptus Terra has done in our absence. By Terra, Horus was wrong about everything except what they'd do to our father's vision." G-Man would panic, realize he just praised Horus in front a dude who's probably got Semper Fidelis branded on his chest, get laid out in a single punch by the Lion and wake up to a terrible stumbling non-apology because the Lion is a fucking autist.

As to Russ... "I've been fighting daemons and other shit in the Warp for 10,000 years. I'm going to need like... 100,000 beers. Literally, 100,000 beers. I'm not dealing with politics sober, and unless I get some mjod and right fucking now I'm just going to head back to the Eye."
 
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