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In middle aged lore, Legions had much easier trials.

Guilliman himself improved them, and that is what they have today. The psycho indoctrination does according to some older novels impart loyalty to the Emperor and all that.

So that is why the Necromunda recruiting Imperial Fists are not mercs or pirates yet.

Mind some like the Grey Knights and Blood Ravens got... higher standards than the rest, with around 1 in a thousand becoming a marine.
 
I also need to pick up Mortarion sometime. I know the model is like 120 bucks but it’s absolutely gorgeous
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I think Guilliman wasn't saying you can't have trials but that given the current state of the rift/Imperium the Adeptus Astartes can't be throwing away decent recruits on rituals.

If anyone has recruitment figured out its the Salamanders. Marines are transhuman but need to still be rooted to humanity
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The big problem is that a lot of those trials are cultural, and culture is a big part of chapter identity. I can imagine there'd be a lot of push-back if he tried to make some policy to the change of recruitment in that regard. Guilliman thinks that he'd have to give up some of his higher ideals just to survive, let alone fix the current state of the Imperium. Would everyone else, however, be on board with that notion?

Seeing that GeeDubs are moving the story forward in little jumps, I'm really curious to see how this plays out. Maybe just a change to chapter size in the Codex, taking Primaris Astartes into account. Wasn't there a rumour about how a loyal primarch is supposed to go traitor, and a traitor primarch returning to the fold?
 
Love_Machine011 said:
Sanguinius is coming back any day know brothers!
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And at the same time, Konrad Curze does, too.

CwChalk said:
Wasn't there a rumour about how a loyal primarch is supposed to go traitor, and a traitor primarch returning to the fold?
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My bets: Corvus Corax turns traitor due to being driven mad by The Warp, Omegon returns to the fold (stating "I was loyal to begin with").
My reasoning: Corvus Corax is being altered by The Warp and was already starting to be affected by it when he had a brief scuffle with Lorgar.
Who knows how long he's been in The Warp and how much its corrupted him since then.
My second bet is Lion'El Johnson. Johnson is the only remaining loyalist Primarch that is confirmed to be alive.
How funny will it be for the Dark Angels to turn traitor and The Fallen become the loyalist faction?
As for Omegon, all the other remaining Traitor Primarchs have become Daemon Princes.
Unless Konrad Curze returns from the dead or the clone of Fulgrim is freed from Trazyn's museum, Omegon's the only real bet I can think of.
 
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5t3n0g0ph3r said:
My bets: Corvus Corax turns traitor due to being driven mad by The Warp, Omegon returns to the fold (stating "I was loyal to begin with").
My reasoning: Corvus Corax is being altered by The Warp and was already starting to be affected by it when he had a brief scuffle with Lorgar.
Who knows how long he's been in The Warp and how much its corrupted him since then.
My second bet is Lion'El Johnson. Johnson is the only remaining loyalist Primarch that is confirmed to be alive.
How funny will it be for the Dark Angels to turn traitor and The Fallen become the loyalist faction?
As for Omegon, all the other remaining Traitor Primarchs have become Daemon Princes.
Unless Konrad Curze returns from the dead or the clone of Fulgrim is freed from Trazyn's museum, Omegon's the only real bet I can think of.
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I doubt that Corax would turn traitor because there aren't a lot of Raven Guard descendent chapters and they'll probably not switch side even if he goes traitor.
The Lion though.... That would have a massive effect and the DA are already dubious as hell. Going traitor isn't that crazy.

I really don't want Omegon to turn loyal because he isn't that interesting or have any effects. The only other primarch that doesn't necessate the Emperor's warp presence beating up one of the chaos gods is Konrad Curze returning via having his soul stored in an Eldar gem.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I really don't want Omegon to turn loyal because he isn't that interesting or have any effects.
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He's interesting in the fact that you don't know what he's been doing from his supposed demise at Eskrador (which even the Ultramarines aren't sure he, as posing as his brother, was actually killed by Gulliman). Sons of the Hydra brought up interesting possibilities: the Alpha Legion, if not Omegon as well, researching and incorporating Necron tech into their armory. With the focus of 9th Edition being the Indominatus Crusade and Necrons, the Alpha Legion re-emerging with such an edge over other Chaos Space Marine factions, a Primaris-reinforced Imperium, and awakening Necron Dynasties would be interesting.

Speaking of Necrons, I think the Indomitus Crusade would be a perfect setting to reintroduce the rivalry between High Marshall Helbrecht and Imotekh the Stormlord. There's a score to settle between the two. I can't think of a better excuse for GW to have Helbrecht to cross the Rubicon for.
 
No way is the Lion going traitor. He's autistic as fuck about loyalty, and the whole reason the Unforgiven call themselves that is because they inherited that autism and 12,000 years later and counting cannot forgive themselves for the Fallen, and the shameful deeds they've done to hide their shameful secret. They've been caught in a never-ending spiral of self-loathing where they do one shameful deed to hide another out of autistic guilt and embarrassment, and cannot stop doing so because to do so would be to admit disloyalty.
 
I am not sure why everyone's considering it a certainty that more Primarchs will be returning. Gulliman seemed like a "in case of lore stangation break glass" event.

Having said that, didn't Faith and Fury reveal the Alpha Legion was up to some pretty shady shit, being involved in "accidentally" (note: there are no accidents) creating Emperor aligned "demons" including a greater daemon of the Emperor, and an entire planet of anti-chaos Psykers that instantly kill any Daemon they look at?
 
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Having said that, didn't Faith and Fury reveal the Alpha Legion was up to some pretty shady shit, being involved in "accidentally" (note: there are no accidents) creating Emperor aligned "demons" including a greater daemon of the Emperor, and an entire planet of anti-chaos Psykers that instantly kill any Daemon they look at?
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I've never heard of this.

EDIT: Apparently this happened in the Talledus System.
Almost caused a war between the Sisters of Battle and the Inquisition, too.
Pretty bad considering I own the book.
 
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Next step in the painting: chipping.

malcador 12.jpg

Just some white paint sponged on and then some pencil dotted on to give a paint>primer>bare metal layering. Pencil is such a great cheat for metal on miniatures.
 
My Mhara Gal Dreadnought arrived today.
Looks great and I love the special case The Horus Heresy characters come in.
But, it looks like I'm going to need to clean it before assembling it.
 
CwChalk said:
The big problem is that a lot of those trials are cultural, and culture is a big part of chapter identity. I can imagine there'd be a lot of push-back if he tried to make some policy to the change of recruitment in that regard. Guilliman thinks that he'd have to give up some of his higher ideals just to survive, let alone fix the current state of the Imperium. Would everyone else, however, be on board with that notion?
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If Space Marines still need some special gene which only shows up one out of something billion people, Guilliman would be in the right to prevent avoidable losses of nearly unreplacable recruits. If the current WH40K fluff went the way of HALO which any average kid Joe, Bob, Thor, and Bubba without the special genes can become space marines than Guilliman is just interfering as those recruits are easily replaceable.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
And at the same time, Konrad Curze does, too.



My bets: Corvus Corax turns traitor due to being driven mad by The Warp, Omegon returns to the fold (stating "I was loyal to begin with").
My reasoning: Corvus Corax is being altered by The Warp and was already starting to be affected by it when he had a brief scuffle with Lorgar.
Who knows how long he's been in The Warp and how much its corrupted him since then.
My second bet is Lion'El Johnson. Johnson is the only remaining loyalist Primarch that is confirmed to be alive.
How funny will it be for the Dark Angels to turn traitor and The Fallen become the loyalist faction?
As for Omegon, all the other remaining Traitor Primarchs have become Daemon Princes.
Unless Konrad Curze returns from the dead or the clone of Fulgrim is freed from Trazyn's museum, Omegon's the only real bet I can think of.
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Sanguinous should return as a Greater Demon Equivalent and leader of The Legion of the Damned. Konrad's death is dubious even for a Primarch. I like the idea of him being in ten thousand years of therapy so he's my vote for Traitor to Loyalist. I'm not really sure who I think for Loyalist to Traitor.

Male Idiot said:
I call bogus on the traitor going loyalist too. They are demon primarchs or dead, and as fun as it would be to see Konrad lead the Primaris Batmarines, I doubt it.
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I mean they created an entire detachment for Primarchs, Demon Primarchs, and "Supreme Overlords"(aka Silent King, Abbadon, and Ghazghkull for sure, Vect? Yvraine? Farsight?), I got a feeling they are going to pad out the first two and give most factions one of the former.
 
Mortarion could flip. He's always been on the fence about Chaos, and he and Nurgle aren't really pals. Nurgle favors Typhus over him. That's not to say that the Death Guard would follow Mortarion, though.
 
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