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muh_moobs said:
Mortarion could flip. He's always been on the fence about Chaos, and he and Nurgle aren't really pals. Nurgle favors Typhus over him. That's not to say that the Death Guard would follow Mortarion, though.
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Morty was my first guess as well. We know he had regrets during the Heresy, and he was pretty pissed that the other Chaos Gods jumped on the gains he made during the Ultramar invasion.
 
CwChalk said:
Morty was my first guess as well. We know he had regrets during the Heresy, and he was pretty pissed that the other Chaos Gods jumped on the gains he made during the Ultramar invasion.
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I find any Demon Primarch making the flip a hard sell, unless we get Big E or someone purging them off the warp. While anything is possible with space magic, that seems like kind of a stretch. So that leaves "dead" traitors and... Lorgar?
 
Polyboros2 said:
I find any Demon Primarch making the flip a hard sell, unless we get Big E or someone purging them off the warp. While anything is possible with space magic, that seems like kind of a stretch. So that leaves "dead" traitors and... Lorgar?
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Lorgar is a Daemon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, though.
In my book, Daemon Primarchs are lost causes.
That only leaves a resurrected Konrad Curze, Fulgrim's clone, and Omegon as viable contenders.


To reiterate my points about loyalists turning traitor, I don't see Vulkan, Leman Russ (despite the Space Wolves' seething hatred for the Inquisition), Jagatai Khan turning at all. Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius are confirmed dead. Rogal Dorn's fate remains ambiguous. Gulliman is Lord Regent, so he's out.
That leaves Corvus Corax and Lion'El Johnson. The former may turn unwillingly as he is being altered by The Warp and there is no way Imperium forces would accept such a Warp-tainted being back into the fold. As for The Lion, he's a wild card.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
Lorgar is a Daemon Primarch of Chaos Undivided, though.
In my book, Daemon Primarchs are lost causes.
That only leaves a resurrected Konrad Curze, Fulgrim's clone, and Omegon as viable contenders.


To reiterate my points about loyalists turning traitor, I don't see Vulkan, Leman Russ (despite the Space Wolves' seething hatred for the Inquisition), Jagatai Khan turning at all. Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius are confirmed dead. Rogal Dorn's fate remains ambiguous. Gulliman is Lord Regent, so he's out.
That leaves Corvus Corax and Lion'El Johnson. The former may turn unwillingly as he is being altered by The Warp and there is no way Imperium forces would accept such a Warp-tainted being back into the fold. As for The Lion, he's a wild card.
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I couldn't remember one way or another on Lorgar, I never got to much into Word Bearer Fluff other than that Lorgar is responsible for everything wrong.

There is also the Theories about there being a third Alpha Legion Primarch(the Hydra has three heads), so Alpharius and Omegron can still be dead (rather than regular Alpha Legion Astartes fighting well enough to fool Papa Smurf and Dorn). We pretty much have the assassinorum's word and his lack of being around to confirm Kurze is dead. I'd say he's more ambiguous than Dorn on if he's really dead.

I agree on the assessment on the Loyalists, but I really don't see it. Dark Angels going rogue yes, but all the way to Chaos, no. Corax's sanity has slipped, but in the direction of only giving a fuck about murdering his traitor brothers. So him going Chaos I feel would still be an antagonist to Chaos.

Fuck it, I'm going to throw my money on it being Khan. Only cause White Scars are a less popular chapter, and expecting Geedubs to make a bad choice of it.
 
Polyboros2 said:
I couldn't remember one way or another on Lorgar, I never got to much into Word Bearer Fluff other than that Lorgar is responsible for everything wrong.

Corax's sanity has slipped, but in the direction of only giving a fuck about murdering his traitor brothers. So him going Chaos I feel would still be an antagonist to Chaos.
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1. Throw in Kor Phaeron and #BlameErebus for good measure. Fuck those guys.
2. Khorne does not care from which the blood flows. If Corax is driven mad from unprotected exposure of The Warp as well as his bloodlust to kill his traitor brothers (Lorgar in particular), he risks the danger of falling right into the lap of the Blood God. You have to admit, Corvus Corax would be a hell of a better champion for Khorne than the abysmal failure that is Angron.
 
"Traitor" doesn't necessarily mean "falling", though.

Russ and Vulcan could both be so disgusted with what the Imperium has become that they take their toys and go away.

5t3n0g0ph3r said:
2. Khorne does not care from which the blood flows. If Corax is driven mad from unprotected exposure of The Warp as well as his bloodlust to kill his traitor brothers (Lorgar in particular), he risks the danger of falling right into the lap of the Blood God. You have to admit, Corvus Corax would be a hell of a better champion for Khorne than the abysmal failure that is Angron.
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Chaos turned on Chaos? Malal, mother fucker! If Corax dips, THAT's who he's turning to.
 
I also don't see a Primarch flipping with out an army to go with them. Would two sides just trade armies rather than have all in either faction switch sides?

In that case Corax to Night Lords and Kruze to Raven Guard would probably be the easiest.
 
5t3n0g0ph3r said:
My Mhara Gal Dreadnought arrived today.
Looks great and I love the special case The Horus Heresy characters come in.
But, it looks like I'm going to need to clean it before assembling it.
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Yup. Forge World resin has to be soaked in hot soapy water and scrubbed, like with an old toothbrush, to get the mold release agent off. Otherwise primers and paints won't stick to it.
 
Just Some Other Guy said:
Probably what I hate most about any cast resin minis. Well and mold slips, warping, brittleness.......why again do ppl pay so much for FW?
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Because some of those models are pretty kickass. I like my Leviathan Dreadnought and my Sicarans. Honestly, buying FW is a once-a-year thing for me, usually on or around my birthday so I can plan the purchase and save for whatever I'm getting.
 
Second Missing Primarch said:
Because some of those models are pretty kickass. I like my Leviathan Dreadnought and my Sicarans. Honestly, buying FW is a once-a-year thing for me, usually on or around my birthday so I can plan the purchase and save for whatever I'm getting.
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I can see that. Just man, it's always funny seeing the occasional miniswap post of "Had unexpected cost happen, need to unload some FW stuff quick".

I just wish the quality reflected the price at times. Maybe the newer stuff is better? I'm used to seeing dreadful DKoK examples.
 
Again, my guess for "traitor primarch" ""flipping"" would be clone Fulgrim. Seeing how he is the only one that isnt a sick freak demon, and has all the memories of real fulgrim(maybe even has the soul?). You just cant sell the imperium working with/for a daemon primarch very realistically in the lore. For a Loyalist primarch going rogue, it would probably be the Lion, because he and big blue dont get along. He also has the fallen to deal with, so he can go fuck off and have his own little adventure in the eye or terror. Or Jaghati for obvious reasons. I only say rogue, because any primarch turning to chaos would be plot hole level retardation. Leman I dont see it considering fenris is fucked up, and we are almost at the point of "lol what space wolves". Corvus wouldnt be very realistic either.

But then... there is always Alpharius...
 
Love_Machine011 said:
Again, my guess for "traitor primarch" ""flipping"" would be clone Fulgrim. Seeing how he is the only one that isnt a sick freak demon, and has all the memories of real fulgrim(maybe even has the soul?). You just cant sell the imperium working with/for a daemon primarch very realistically in the lore. For a Loyalist primarch going rogue, it would probably be the Lion, because he and big blue dont get along. He also has the fallen to deal with, so he can go fuck off and have his own little adventure in the eye or terror. Or Jaghati for obvious reasons. I only say rogue, because any primarch turning to chaos would be plot hole level retardation. Leman I dont see it considering fenris is fucked up, and we are almost at the point of "lol what space wolves". Corvus wouldnt be very realistic either.

But then... there is always Alpharius...
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Is there a reason in particular to expect Primarchs to swap sides? If Gdubbs is trying to shake things up Primarchs coming back and daemon ones being active should be enough.

Primarchs turning their back on the Emperor for his detachment and not feeling as loyal to the mission as the G-man sounds more plausible then full on chaos shenanigans. I can't see any of them looking at their fallen brothers and going that seems like a good deal. My bet would be on the Lion coming back and receiving Imperium Nihilus.
 
Burned Man said:
Is there a reason in particular to expect Primarchs to swap sides? If Gdubbs is trying to shake things up Primarchs coming back and daemon ones being active should be enough.

Primarchs turning their back on the Emperor for his detachment and not feeling as loyal to the mission as the G-man sounds more plausible then full on chaos shenanigans. I can't see any of them looking at their fallen brothers and going that seems like a good deal. My bet would be on the Lion coming back and receiving Imperium Nihilus.
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There was a rumour going around one was gonna flip on each side. Personally I don't lend it any credence. But speculation is fun.
 
Love_Machine011 said:
Again, my guess for "traitor primarch" ""flipping"" would be clone Fulgrim. Seeing how he is the only one that isnt a sick freak demon, and has all the memories of real fulgrim(maybe even has the soul?). You just cant sell the imperium working with/for a daemon primarch very realistically in the lore. For a Loyalist primarch going rogue, it would probably be the Lion, because he and big blue dont get along. He also has the fallen to deal with, so he can go fuck off and have his own little adventure in the eye or terror. Or Jaghati for obvious reasons. I only say rogue, because any primarch turning to chaos would be plot hole level retardation. Leman I dont see it considering fenris is fucked up, and we are almost at the point of "lol what space wolves". Corvus wouldnt be very realistic either.

But then... there is always Alpharius...
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Alpharius is dead. John French, the author of Praetorian of Dorn, clarified that Dorn did kill Alpharius and not some rando Alpha Legionnaire.
 
HumanHive said:
The Three Brothers theory opened my eyes to the truth.
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How does a fan theory contradict what the AUTHOR OF THE DAMN BOOK said when he was flat out clarified it?
00:30:10-00:32:15.
Transcript:
Interviewer: But there certainly was, uh, there was a feeling of there were people reading a different set of books than those I have and maybe that's because they wanted to, maybe because they just read it a different way or.. or..
I mean I don't know. There could be a whole myriad of reasons why.
A lot of it, as you say, was they weren't hearing the whole story.
Reading it isolated - bits of information and forming their own reasons as to how that happened.

French: Yeah, yeah.

Interviewer: And that particularly happened with Praetorian of Dorn and Alpharius - the death of Alpharius - Was "He dies? That's rubbish!"

French: "How can that possibly happen?" And "what were they trying to achieve?" How can they have done this?" "Was he trying to kill Dorn?"
And so on. And the answer is: you'll never know because he died.

[laughing in the background]

French: Um, um, and that's.. that's, uh, that's not, you know, just me being kinda like "Oh yeah, ha ha ha."
It's like "No, actually, yeah he probably had all kinds of things he would have done but he couldn't because he died."
And that's what happens when really significant people die like that and they go "All the things they would have done or put into place..."
They just vanish and the future goes on a different path.
Um, but yes, there was [laughs] some- some of the theories and some of the questions I got were elaborate.
Um, and in terms of trying to, um, make what had been in the book a totally different way.
Saying that "he was alive", basically, or it was a "big trick."
Um, because the whole book had been about a big trick or a series of big tricks and it's actually one of the moments of truth in it. It's all of this stuff and then "bang!" But, yeah, its, um, it certainly [exhasperates] apparently some people rage quit their armies. So they said online.
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Since I hate the new flight stand for infantry I decided my dudes should be jumping off barrels on my half assed scenic bases.

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