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Got and finished the Alpharius book. It's generally pretty good. Not quite as twisty-turny as I was expecting, considering it's about the Alpha Legion, but there are a few things that he tosses out that definitely contradict or ignore things that have been previously established, so we've got some unreliable-narrator stuff going on. (Either that or Mike Brooks is incompetent, but he seems to have a pretty good grasp on the lore, so I'm going to assume that he's doing this deliberately.) Alphy gets curiously philosophical at times, which I actually enjoyed. In the end, though, I'm just going to assume that none of what the book says is actually true and Alpharius (or Omegon) made it all up. Hydra Dominatus.
 
In the end, though, I'm just going to assume that none of what the book says is actually true and Alpharius (or Omegon) made it all up. Hydra Dominatus.
You know, this begs the question regarding how Mike Brooks wrote this book: who is Alpharius talking to?
 
You know, this begs the question regarding how Mike Brooks wrote this book: who is Alpharius talking to?
The third sibling.....?

Also, got a Space Marine Heroes box today and surprisingly it was the guy I wanted. Anyone else bought a box or two of these (quality) miniatures?
 
Got and finished the Alpharius book. It's generally pretty good. Not quite as twisty-turny as I was expecting, considering it's about the Alpha Legion, but there are a few things that he tosses out that definitely contradict or ignore things that have been previously established, so we've got some unreliable-narrator stuff going on. (Either that or Mike Brooks is incompetent, but he seems to have a pretty good grasp on the lore, so I'm going to assume that he's doing this deliberately.) Alphy gets curiously philosophical at times, which I actually enjoyed. In the end, though, I'm just going to assume that none of what the book says is actually true and Alpharius (or Omegon) made it all up. Hydra Dominatus.
The greatest lies are always founded on the basis of truth.
 
Also, got a Space Marine Heroes box today and surprisingly it was the guy I wanted. Anyone else bought a box or two of these (quality) miniatures?
I'm waiting for the Chaos Space Marine line.
I plan to use that for Chosen (unless they unironically release that as CSM Chosen).
 
I'm waiting for the Chaos Space Marine line.
I plan to use that for Chosen (unless they unironically release that as CSM Chosen).
I got the Death Guard Champion and damn, there’s a lot going on with this guy. Thinking on using him as a Chaos Lord.
 
Soo... This is actually Omegon talking and not Alpharius?
That's the implication. But it's ambiguous enough to suggest that the whole novel is a lie.
If we are going to drop the meme for a second. The book serves as a combination of all previous state half truths to Alpharius'/omegons' origins and it's what makes sense for the alpha legion as a whole prior to their official discovery. The first 2 and last 2 lines serve to reveal to us that the entity we thought of as "Alpharius" (pale spear, scale armour) is actually Omegon. This combined with what we now know about Alpharius, changes a lot of the context in the horus heresy itself.
 
If we are going to drop the meme for a second. The book serves as a combination of all previous state half truths to Alpharius'/omegons' origins and it's what makes sense for the alpha legion as a whole prior to their official discovery. The first 2 and last 2 lines serve to reveal to us that the entity we thought of as "Alpharius" (pale spear, scale armour) is actually Omegon. This combined with what we now know about Alpharius, changes a lot of the context in the horus heresy itself.
Actually, I don't think it does.
It depends who is telling the narrative. If it's Alpharius who is telling this narrative, when did he leave it? Prior to the Pluto operation? And for whom?
If this is actually Omegon and he made this AFTER he assumed his brother's identity following Pluto, then this adds another layer to it.
He is "Alpharius," but he's not.
But the question remains: for whom is this record written for?
Mike Brooks obviously wrote this to troll readers by "telling everything by telling nothing."
But if we were to put the text in-universe, I can't figure out who it was written for.
The Alpha Legion? Why? While they might not know their primarchs inside & out, I'm sure the ones who were closest to them (like the Effrit Stealth Squad or even Arkos) were able to pick up the subtleties between the twins and could decipher this narrative.
Was this meant to confuse the Imperium intelligence network, should fall into their hands? Maybe?
Pretty baffling.
Still, it seems to be a fun book.
 
Actually, I don't think it does.
It depends who is telling the narrative. If it's Alpharius who is telling this narrative, when did he leave it? Prior to the Pluto operation? And for whom?
If this is actually Omegon and he made this AFTER he assumed his brother's identity following Pluto, then this adds another layer to it.
He is "Alpharius," but he's not.
But the question remains: for whom is this record written for?
Mike Brooks obviously wrote this to troll readers by "telling everything by telling nothing."
But if we were to put the text in-universe, I can't figure out who it was written for.
The Alpha Legion? Why? While they might not know their primarchs inside & out, I'm sure the ones who were closest to them (like the Effrit Stealth Squad or even Arkos) were able to pick up the subtleties between the twins and could decipher this narrative.
Was this meant to confuse the Imperium intelligence network, should fall into their hands? Maybe?
Pretty baffling.
Still, it seems to be a fun book.
It is pretty fun, and I'm impressed with the quality of the limited edition. I'll probably try to score the limited edition for Dorn's book whenever that comes out. Speaking of, we only have, what, four of them left in the series now? Mortarion, Dorn, Sanguinius, and Horus? I wonder which one will be next.
 
It is pretty fun, and I'm impressed with the quality of the limited edition. I'll probably try to score the limited edition for Dorn's book whenever that comes out. Speaking of, we only have, what, four of them left in the series now? Mortarion, Dorn, Sanguinius, and Horus? I wonder which one will be next.
I hope it's Mortarion, just because the Death Guard is so heavily focused in this edition.
Then Dorn, then Sanguinius, then Horus.
 
Actually, I don't think it does.
It depends who is telling the narrative. If it's Alpharius who is telling this narrative, when did he leave it? Prior to the Pluto operation? And for whom?
If this is actually Omegon and he made this AFTER he assumed his brother's identity following Pluto, then this adds another layer to it.
He is "Alpharius," but he's not.
But the question remains: for whom is this record written for?
Mike Brooks obviously wrote this to troll readers by "telling everything by telling nothing."
But if we were to put the text in-universe, I can't figure out who it was written for.
The Alpha Legion? Why? While they might not know their primarchs inside & out, I'm sure the ones who were closest to them (like the Effrit Stealth Squad or even Arkos) were able to pick up the subtleties between the twins and could decipher this narrative.
Was this meant to confuse the Imperium intelligence network, should fall into their hands? Maybe?
Pretty baffling.
Still, it seems to be a fun book.
From what I have heard, the Primarch that died on Pluto was Omegon as he was the one that wields the Pale Spear and the last Primarch recovered. The Primarch that is alive has been Alpharius, who was the first Primarch recovered.

At the end of it all, it doesn't matter who is who, because the Alpha Legion is all about deception. They were always there but never recorded. They fought for Horus but served the Emperor. Everyone claims to be Alpharius but not even they know who he really is.

For me, I want to know what their downfall is, what caused them to cease being a Legion. My best guess comes back to their deceptive nature. To quote Chernobyl: "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."

The Alpha Legion falls because they never had a truth to begin with. They have no origin, no structure, no future. Alpharius was just a tool, no personal reason to exist. The Cabal gave him a purpose that he could decide for himself. They revealed to him the threat of Chaos, but he would not follow their plan, which is why he fucked over the Cabal. But while he had a goal, his Legion didn't. Some other Alpharius could go rouge because he was order to bomb a planet he brought into Compliance. Another one could have been exposed to the temptations of Chaos and saw their power as a reason to exist. Soon you have 15 different Alpharius's giving order and the whole legion breaks down.

The Alpha Legion may all claim to be Alpharius but they don't think the same as Alpharius.
 
Soo... This is actually Omegon talking and not Alpharius?

If the twist at the end of these books isn't that it's Omegon explaining things to a surprise 3rd brother, or if this is said 3rd brother explaining the story of Alpharius and Omegon to the Alpha Legion as he reveals himself to them, I'll bemoan the lost opportunity.
 
Back in the day I used to play Imperial Guard, until I realized how much of a money sink it was to build large armies. Thankfully I was able to make a 1500pt Grey Knight army out of old 3rd edition pewter models that still existed, at that time. Sold everything Imperial Guard, and to this day still have my 30 model army from 15 years ago + some updated armor.

I still suck at the game but its better than sitting at home, alone, jerking it to donky porn.
 
Back in the day I used to play Imperial Guard, until I realized how much of a money sink it was to build large armies. Thankfully I was able to make a 1500pt Grey Knight army out of old 3rd edition pewter models that still existed, at that time. Sold everything Imperial Guard, and to this day still have my 30 model army from 15 years ago + some updated armor.

I still suck at the game but its better than sitting at home, alone, jerking it to donky porn.
The grey knights are in the shed while the chad bananas are busy laying pipe.

( The introduction of Custodes to the table is the worst thing to ever happen to GK)
 
From what I have heard, the Primarch that died on Pluto was Omegon as he was the one that wields the Pale Spear and the last Primarch recovered. The Primarch that is alive has been Alpharius, who was the first Primarch recovered.

At the end of it all, it doesn't matter who is who, because the Alpha Legion is all about deception. They were always there but never recorded. They fought for Horus but served the Emperor. Everyone claims to be Alpharius but not even they know who he really is.

For me, I want to know what their downfall is, what caused them to cease being a Legion. My best guess comes back to their deceptive nature. To quote Chernobyl: "Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later that debt is paid."

The Alpha Legion falls because they never had a truth to begin with. They have no origin, no structure, no future. Alpharius was just a tool, no personal reason to exist. The Cabal gave him a purpose that he could decide for himself. They revealed to him the threat of Chaos, but he would not follow their plan, which is why he fucked over the Cabal. But while he had a goal, his Legion didn't. Some other Alpharius could go rouge because he was order to bomb a planet he brought into Compliance. Another one could have been exposed to the temptations of Chaos and saw their power as a reason to exist. Soon you have 15 different Alpharius's giving order and the whole legion breaks down.

The Alpha Legion may all claim to be Alpharius but they don't think the same as Alpharius.
For starters, The Cabal gave Alpharius & Omegon two futures: Horus is defeated, but the Imperium is slowly corrupted from the inside and eventually falls to Chaos (which seems to be the current course of the lore) or Horus wins, but he leads a rebellion against Chaos (lol) and leads to Chaos' eradication at the cost of humanity (which Xenos like the Eldar, who make up a portion of The Cabal, would benefit greatly from).
Not much of a choice, but I believe this choice shaped how both primarchs would conduct themselves during the Heresy. They both thought they were on the same page regarding this, but obviously not.
This leads to Istavan III and stories like The Seventh Serpent, where the Legion is purging itself of Loyalists within its ranks.
Yet, at the same time, one of the primarchs is sabotaging the other by subtely giving aid to the Loyalists like the White Scars as seen in The Serpent Beneath.
As for the "15 different Alpharius," that's by design. The legion did not break down because of that (they had been doing that even when they were the Ghost Legion). I do think that whoever was the Primarch during The Scouring figured it was best to "strike the tent" to ensure the Legion's survival (possibly curb the exposure of Chaos among the ranks at the same time) and intentionally scattered the Legion (rather than the violent breakups that occurred with the Night Lords or the World Eaters).
Perhaps "Alpharius" had to die to get the job done.
I REALLY hope once the Horus Heresy series is finished a deeper look into The Scouring happens.
I would love to see events like Dorn's crusade against the Traitor Legions are fleshed out (culminating in The Battle of the Iron Cage). Perhaps we'll see if the Eskrador campaign actually happened or if it was Alpha Legion propaganda.
The Alpha Legion protected the imperium... at any cost.
Including from itself (referring to the Alpha Legion. Or am I?).

On an unrelated note, the interest that YouTubers are taking into the Badab War is making me wish there were novels to go with it.
It's such an interesting event that is perhaps the most infamous Space Marine vs. Space Marine conflict since the Heresy itself and the birth of one of the most infamous Renegade Chapters of Chaos. Maybe we'll get there one day.
 
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For starters, The Cabal gave Alpharius & Omegon two futures: Horus is defeated, but the Imperium is slowly corrupted from the inside and eventually falls to Chaos (which seems to be the current course of the lore) or Horus wins, but he leads a rebellion against Chaos (lol) and leads to Chaos' eradication at the cost of humanity (which Xenos like the Eldar, who make up a portion of The Cabal, would benefit greatly from).
Not much of a choice, but I believe this choice shaped how both primarchs would conduct themselves during the Heresy. They both thought they were on the same page regarding this, but obviously not.
This leads to Istavan III and stories like The Seventh Serpent, where the Legion is purging itself of Loyalists within its ranks.
Yet, at the same time, one of the primarchs is sabotaging the other by subtely giving aid to the Loyalists like the White Scars as seen in The Serpent Beneath.
As for the "15 different Alpharius," that's by design. The legion did not break down because of that (they had been doing that even when they were the Ghost Legion). I do think that whoever was the Primarch during The Scouring figured it was best to "strike the tent" to ensure the Legion's survival (possibly curb the exposure of Chaos among the ranks at the same time) and intentionally scattered the Legion (rather than the violent breakups that occurred with the Night Lords or the World Eaters).
Perhaps "Alpharius" had to die to get the job done.
I REALLY hope once the Horus Heresy series is finished a deeper look into The Scouring happens.
I would love to see events like Dorn's crusade against the Traitor Legions are fleshed out (culminating in The Battle of the Iron Cage). Perhaps we'll see if the Eskrador campaign actually happened or if it was Alpha Legion propaganda.
You're running off the assumption the O&A did actually believe in the presented futures, and we're just playing along.
 
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