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++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Raven Guard) [100 PL, 11CP, 1,980pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard Successor, Stealthy, Warded

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Chapter Master in Phobos Armour [7 PL, 135pts]: 2. Lord of Deceit, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Warlord

Librarian in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 100pts]: 2) Soul Sight, 5) Tenebrous Curse

Lieutenants [8 PL, 155pts]
. Lieutenant in Phobos Armour: Ex Tenebris
. Lieutenant in Reiver Armour: Purgatorus

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [10 PL, 199pts]: Haywire Mine
. 8x Incursor: 8x Bolt pistol, 8x Frag & Krak grenades, 8x Occulus bolt carbine, 8x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [10 PL, 199pts]: Haywire Mine
. 8x Incursor: 8x Bolt pistol, 8x Frag & Krak grenades, 8x Occulus bolt carbine, 8x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [12 PL, 202pts]: Helix gauntlet
. 7x Infiltrator: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Apothecary [4 PL, 75pts]

Apothecary [4 PL, 75pts]

Deredeo Dreadnought [11 PL, -1CP, 220pts]: Aiolos missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter, Volkite falconet battery

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [8 PL, 160pts]: Incendium cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Suppressor Sergeant

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 120pts]: Las Fusil
. Eliminator Sergeant: Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt sniper rifle
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

++ Total: [100 PL, 11CP, 1,980pts] ++

Ok, here is my second attempt at making a list. The idea here is to focus on being more survivable than killing. Incursors try to hold midfield/opponent objectives, each with a apothacary tagging along, the infiltrators and phobos chapter master hang back to try and screen deep strike. Invictus and Outriders go for smashing into threats to take heat off Incursors. Eliminators, Deredeo, & Supressors try to focus down threats with support from the Chapter Master/Lt. Reiver Lt and Phobos Librarian are shenanigans, slowing movement, preventing actions, removing objective secured etc.
 
agility_ said:
How about assault centurions.
It's hard for me to give good advice on primaris stuff as it is all broken as hell and hilariously unbalanced, options and pointswise.
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You can deep strike anything in Raven Guard EXPECT Centurions. Also centurions are the worst marine models ever made. I mean I like Phobos yes but centurions were scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

On a side note the marine releases before primaris really were some of the worst things to come out ignoring death watch stuff.
 
agility_ said:
How about assault centurions.
It's hard for me to give good advice on primaris stuff as it is all broken as hell and hilariously unbalanced, options and pointswise.
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Phobos stuff is pretty restrained.
 
Aren't incursors so unbelievable broken, why bother with reivers, or do they not get ObSec?
 
Polyboros2 said:
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Raven Guard) [100 PL, 11CP, 1,980pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Raven Guard Successor, Stealthy, Warded

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

+ HQ +

Chapter Master in Phobos Armour [7 PL, 135pts]: 2. Lord of Deceit, Chapter Command: Chapter Master, Warlord

Librarian in Phobos Armour [5 PL, 100pts]: 2) Soul Sight, 5) Tenebrous Curse

Lieutenants [8 PL, 155pts]
. Lieutenant in Phobos Armour: Ex Tenebris
. Lieutenant in Reiver Armour: Purgatorus

+ Troops +

Incursor Squad [10 PL, 199pts]: Haywire Mine
. 8x Incursor: 8x Bolt pistol, 8x Frag & Krak grenades, 8x Occulus bolt carbine, 8x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Incursor Squad [10 PL, 199pts]: Haywire Mine
. 8x Incursor: 8x Bolt pistol, 8x Frag & Krak grenades, 8x Occulus bolt carbine, 8x Paired combat blades
. Incursor Sergeant

Infiltrator Squad [12 PL, 202pts]: Helix gauntlet
. 7x Infiltrator: 7x Bolt pistol, 7x Frag & Krak grenades, 7x Marksman bolt carbine
. Infiltrator Sergeant

+ Elites +

Apothecary [4 PL, 75pts]

Apothecary [4 PL, 75pts]

Deredeo Dreadnought [11 PL, -1CP, 220pts]: Aiolos missile launcher, Twin heavy bolter, Volkite falconet battery

Invictor Tactical Warsuit [8 PL, 160pts]: Incendium cannon

+ Fast Attack +

Outrider Squad [6 PL, 150pts]: Outrider Sgt
. 2x Outrider: 2x Astartes Chainsword, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol, 2x Twin Bolt rifle

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 100pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades
. Suppressor Sergeant

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 120pts]: Las Fusil
. Eliminator Sergeant: Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

Eliminator Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Bolt sniper rifle
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle
. 2x Eliminators: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

++ Total: [100 PL, 11CP, 1,980pts] ++

Ok, here is my second attempt at making a list. The idea here is to focus on being more survivable than killing. Incursors try to hold midfield/opponent objectives, each with a apothacary tagging along, the infiltrators and phobos chapter master hang back to try and screen deep strike. Invictus and Outriders go for smashing into threats to take heat off Incursors. Eliminators, Deredeo, & Supressors try to focus down threats with support from the Chapter Master/Lt. Reiver Lt and Phobos Librarian are shenanigans, slowing movement, preventing actions, removing objective secured etc.
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I don't know about the Supressor squad. Take that out and you have 120 points to spare. Maybe go with a Land Speeder Typhon or an Invader ATV and use the rest on Company Veterans?

On a separate note, GW announced another new unit for the Sisters.
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So this means that alongside the new Codex, Sisters are getting Melee Celestians, the Palatine, that Mace wielding Chaplain, Warsuits, and a Predator tank. Good choices for fleshing out the roster, but I would love if they gave the Sisters a Frateris Milita unit.
 
Imperial Citizen said:
I don't know about the Supressor squad. Take that out and you have 120 points to spare. Maybe go with a Land Speeder Typhon or an Invader ATV and use the rest on Company Veterans?
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Part of the idea of this list is realistically what my first 2000 points will be. My first push into an army will be 20 incursors/infiltrators, 2 Phobos Lts, 6 Eliminators and 6 Suppressors. I use all 6 Eliminators cause I think they'll be more useful, but 3 Suppressors put out 9 strength 7 damage 2 shots at 48 inches. The AP is what sucks, but if there is a scary infantry units i have to tie up in melee, I think the new Overwatch rules make them better in that it can probably eliminate the only good option they have for overwatching. I actually realized I used too many Phobos troops, will switch that to 2 7 man incursors, 6 man Infiltrator, and see if I can squeeze in the 5 Assault Intercessors I'll have, who won't be bad to help screen the Apothecaries or HQs if the incursors decided to run really far ahead.

Imperial Citizen said:
On a separate note, GW announced another new unit for the Sisters.
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So this means that alongside the new Codex, Sisters are getting Melee Celestians, the Palatine, that Mace wielding Chaplain, Warsuits, and a Predator tank. Good choices for fleshing out the roster, but I would love
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Oh Geedubs, it doesn't matter how many sisters you sculpt, it will never make the trannies on Twitter happy. They don't want to increase female representation, they want to destroy something popular.
 
Polyboros2 said:
Part of the idea of this list is realistically what my first 2000 points will be. My first push into an army will be 20 incursors/infiltrators, 2 Phobos Lts, 6 Eliminators and 6 Suppressors. I use all 6 Eliminators cause I think they'll be more useful, but 3 Suppressors put out 9 strength 7 damage 2 shots at 48 inches. The AP is what sucks, but if there is a scary infantry units i have to tie up in melee, I think the new Overwatch rules make them better in that it can probably eliminate the only good option they have for overwatching. I actually realized I used too many Phobos troops, will switch that to 2 7 man incursors, 6 man Infiltrator, and see if I can squeeze in the 5 Assault Intercessors I'll have, who won't be bad to help screen the Apothecaries or HQs if the incursors decided to run really far ahead.



Oh Geedubs, it doesn't matter how many sisters you sculpt, it will never make the trannies on Twitter happy. They don't want to increase female representation, they want to destroy something popular.
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It's not the AP that is the problem, it's your lack of Strength 8+ weapons. A weapon that has a 50% chance to wound is better than one with a 33% chance to wound, and often with more damage in a single shot. And the issue with the Assault Intercessors is that you don't have a transport for them. Marines fold under intense firepower, especially when they don't have an invul save. And if you have phobos, play to the phobos strategy. Set up a unit near the middle to draw enemy fire, have it fall back to the Chapter Master, and when an enemy chases after them, hit them with the Outriders.

On the increase in Sisters, it's a good thing. It means that people are buying the product, telling the Twitter trannies that people don't give a shit about representation, they like the Sisters for their lore, sculpts, and/or gameplay.
 
Fuck all this new Sister stuff is making me interested I actually like that new tank and those halberd sisters a lot. Order of the Bloody Rose is a cool color scheme too....
 
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