40k is still better then star wars no matter how much you hate primaris space marines.
Not when you factor in things from the old Expanded Universe like KOTOR and the Thrawn trilogy, or Dark Forces and Tales of the Jedi.
Shit, the 2008 Clone Wars CGI cartoon, for all its flaws, managed to ensnare the youth, and now has a bristling adult fanbase made up of people who saw it as kids. That's them succeeding in something GW desperately wants to do.
I'd say that the best of 40K and the best of SW can be categorized in the same plane, but the worst of Star Wars and the worst of 40K can also be thrown in the same bin. (Karen Traviss/Matt Ward)
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All good points I just think 40k relied ALOT on people shilling it themselves with the memes. Compared to the other franchises you listed I think more people found 40k through say some youtube video bragging about how STRONG AND COOL WARHAMMER 40K IS compared to the others. Also those other franchises you listed Halo/Star Wars had people shill 40k as the last "non cucked scifi setting" due to their recent troubles so now you just have a paranoid fanbase full of pretentious fags.
Funny how they say it's the last "non-cucked sci-fi setting" when it was originally made by a bunch of leftist nerds who were buttmad that Margaret Thatcher was a conservative. They were all whining about how fascist she was, and a lot of "anti-fascist" sci-fi was made by people who thought anyone to the left of Karl Marx was literally Hitler. 40K was made by a bunch of leftist nerds whose politics would make even woke Disney look positively conservative by comparison. That's why the Imperium that uses the symbology of traditional western religion and militarism are painted as the dysfunctional parody of fascism. As bad as the Sequel Trilogy was, at least it showed you the dangers of gun control.
Warhammer has always been for edgy kids who want to look superior. I was guilty of this as well "heh Star Wars? Its for losers 40k has cool epic daemonculblas and titans lul"
Funny thing is, cool doesn't always mean practical. I mean, are Daemon Princes and Titans cool? Sure. But any decent sci-fi faction worth its salt would have more than enough conventional weapons to reduce both to ashes. I'm pretty sure tactical nukes or artillery guns that can blow holes in capital ships can solve both problems just fine.
Have you guys ever seen any in person hate for Primaris? At most I get they have boring lore but thats it nothing on the scale of THEY RUINED 40K THEY ARE MARVEL SHIT 40K IS DEAD AND MADE FOR SJWS NOW!
Not in person, no. I remember buying a Primaris figure at a local Gamestop, and the onlookers acted as if I made a huge score. All the grognards whining about Primaris Marines are all lore nerds on Youtube. Your average gamer doesn't give two flying shits about it, and the people who collect figures just look at it and say how cool it looks. I collected Primaris figures just to have something cool-looking on the table.
I've seen primaris in every single space marine army I've encountered irl.
Which means that the tabletop players don't give two flying shits about how "lore-breaking" they are, even though they sent every lore nerd into rage-induced tirades upon their release.
I have never seen anyone irl complain about primaris other than when they initially came out and made tactical marines worthless on the table. The only places I really even see the primaris doom-speak is clickbait youtube videos and 4chan threads.
That's because those people take the lore seriously. The rest of 40K's players don't, hence why they do buy Primaris Marines for games.
arch was seething for a bit when they came out but thats arch for you. iirc his rant included
>Space marines were literally perfected and crafted by Big E himself so it should be impossible to improve them
>A dumb no named techpriest shouldn't be able to make those improvements if they were possible
>this is just a ploy for GW to discontinue making normal marines in 1-2 years.
I mean, he's right about the third point. GW is obviously ditching the old molds, but hey, that's just business.
As for some random techpriest making them, I always thought that they had the capacity to improve Space Marines, but they just didn't do it, because it would get them in trouble for innovating new technology and geneseeds. Also, the Emperor crafted the Thunder Warriors who were far from perfect, so it's obvious that someone can make improvements on the Adeptus Astartes based on previous data and experience.
I ligit don't get why people watch Arch. I tried watching him like 3 years ago and all of his videos were movie length shit tier content where he read off the wiki and then he would see something he didn't like and 'tism rage. Maybe I am being to uncharitable.
Arch just reads off Lexicanum/40K wiki articles and acts like it's something new, as if no one could Google search this shit on their own. Seriously, loretubers are so basic that it's funny how someone can just make a living nowadays, making videos by just reading off some wiki.
And of course, when he flexes 40K against something like say, Star Wars, he does barely any research on SW lore at all. Dude's a hack.
I mean, I think Primaris look really...idk, boring. Ruining 40k lore? Idk, don't pay too much attention to that shit. Aesthetics? Lame.
Then again I think SM in general are lame, so probably just personal bias.
I actually originally thought the introduction of the Primaris was clever. The more traditionalist and close-minded people in the Imperium would obviously fly off the handles and get enraged by the very sight of the Primaris Marines, since the older marines would have their fears that they're getting replaced, while the close-minded religious folk and techpriests would get angry that Belisarius Cawl is meddling with the Emperor's work. At the same time, the more rational and open-minded Imperium folk would just accept them and get on with their lives, happy that the Imperium has new reinforcements.
I thought this was Guilliman separating the wheat from the chaff-he would provide the traditionalists from within the Church, the Adeptus Mechanicus, and the SM chapters an excuse to rebel, so that he can legally shoot them in the face while claiming self-defense, like how Palpatine in Star Wars allowed the Jedi to strike at him first, before declaring them anathema and ordering their execution.
But no, apparently the Imperium just accepts them with little protest. So yeah, that story did get lame.
