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I didn't get involved until much later, my hands are clean of your blood
Was it the right thing to do to get involved with Christian Weston Chandler?
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The Man With No Name
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Chris didn't get scouted out of nowhere, though. It wasn't like he had his content abruptly posted online for no reason. Chris posted things online, and with that, he opened a gate. Someone on the internet was going to find what he did, and no matter what, in time, someone would mock what he did. His subsequent reactions to what happened are the real gold, though.
It's hard to talk about this like it was predetermined or 'destiny' because it wasn't. It's just that, when a tard posts something on the internet, eventually it would be found. People will poke and prod at them to make fun of the person or the material. You're on KiwiFarms, you know that already. But if we didn't do it, someone else would have. Maybe we steered the course of Chris better than he would otherwise have been? He probably would never have been exposed to half the culture and media he currently has without 'trolls'.
It's hard to talk about this like it was predetermined or 'destiny' because it wasn't. It's just that, when a tard posts something on the internet, eventually it would be found. People will poke and prod at them to make fun of the person or the material. You're on KiwiFarms, you know that already. But if we didn't do it, someone else would have. Maybe we steered the course of Chris better than he would otherwise have been? He probably would never have been exposed to half the culture and media he currently has without 'trolls'.
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No but with certain caveats -
1) OPL put this content online in the first place, When you make something public off your own back you can't pull it back again for all the good and bad that entails. In his case for him, it was mostly if not entirely bad.
2) Every village has it's idiot, Chris wasn't the first idiot to get weird online that's been part and parcel of the internet since it's inception. When Chris was discovered the internet was still relatively speaking rather small so he was found and mocked quickly, some people took it to far enabled by the distancing nature of the internet. Chris just had the miss fortune of being found (for him at any rate) in the wrong time and wrong place, I mean look at what we have now on this very forum, Chris would warrant a thread at most and not a whole subforum and wiki. He was the early internet culture dedicated moron who you could point and laugh at, and while things have progressed he's remained weirdly popular because he was the first when the culture was forming.
3) The internet is weirdly impersonal, this allowed things to progress in a weird way because he was so willing to be open with things that people at the time normally kept under wraps. This gave a lot of people licence to push just that little bit more down the rabbit hole leading to an obsession with seeing what they could get him to say and do because he seemed to lack any form of self-preservation mechanisms.
4) Chris reflects a change in society and how we treat celebrity / fame / infamy, Chris was e-famous for being a funny moron he was the first that hit the prime time for being like this the problem is it's not him who's profited off it to any great extent, in fact, it may have cost him more because he was never able to get out in front and ride the beast as it where. Society has always had a way of making commentary about weird people either deriding them or celebrating them however how we do that and how long they last in the public consciousness is changing and if this subject is looked at in years to come, Chris may be used as and example i.e. "This guy wanted fame, and got infamy instead" kinda deal maybe as a footnote someplace but nothing serious.
In short, CWC got what he originally wanted in some regards but not in a way he likes and while some people did take it to far they were not responsible for deciding what is right or wrong about the situation.
1) OPL put this content online in the first place, When you make something public off your own back you can't pull it back again for all the good and bad that entails. In his case for him, it was mostly if not entirely bad.
2) Every village has it's idiot, Chris wasn't the first idiot to get weird online that's been part and parcel of the internet since it's inception. When Chris was discovered the internet was still relatively speaking rather small so he was found and mocked quickly, some people took it to far enabled by the distancing nature of the internet. Chris just had the miss fortune of being found (for him at any rate) in the wrong time and wrong place, I mean look at what we have now on this very forum, Chris would warrant a thread at most and not a whole subforum and wiki. He was the early internet culture dedicated moron who you could point and laugh at, and while things have progressed he's remained weirdly popular because he was the first when the culture was forming.
3) The internet is weirdly impersonal, this allowed things to progress in a weird way because he was so willing to be open with things that people at the time normally kept under wraps. This gave a lot of people licence to push just that little bit more down the rabbit hole leading to an obsession with seeing what they could get him to say and do because he seemed to lack any form of self-preservation mechanisms.
4) Chris reflects a change in society and how we treat celebrity / fame / infamy, Chris was e-famous for being a funny moron he was the first that hit the prime time for being like this the problem is it's not him who's profited off it to any great extent, in fact, it may have cost him more because he was never able to get out in front and ride the beast as it where. Society has always had a way of making commentary about weird people either deriding them or celebrating them however how we do that and how long they last in the public consciousness is changing and if this subject is looked at in years to come, Chris may be used as and example i.e. "This guy wanted fame, and got infamy instead" kinda deal maybe as a footnote someplace but nothing serious.
In short, CWC got what he originally wanted in some regards but not in a way he likes and while some people did take it to far they were not responsible for deciding what is right or wrong about the situation.
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I think the trolls were actually the best thing for Chris. In my opinion, Chris is the type of autistic who needs drama and conflict, and the trolls gave him a relatively safe outlet for that.
It's like the version of Batman where he finds out Alfred is the Joker, doing it to direct him from the dangerous real criminals.
I think without the trolls to direct his energy, CWC would have wandered around toy stores attacking and sexually harassing his real life acquaintances, and stuff like the pepper spray would have happened sooner.
Of course, the best thing would have been for him to find a group of geek friends who liked him, but that's tough because he's not very kind or a good friend - he's not interested in others or able to get in other's heads - he doesn't get that comics about his tiny personal feuds don't have world appeal.
It's like the version of Batman where he finds out Alfred is the Joker, doing it to direct him from the dangerous real criminals.
I think without the trolls to direct his energy, CWC would have wandered around toy stores attacking and sexually harassing his real life acquaintances, and stuff like the pepper spray would have happened sooner.
Of course, the best thing would have been for him to find a group of geek friends who liked him, but that's tough because he's not very kind or a good friend - he's not interested in others or able to get in other's heads - he doesn't get that comics about his tiny personal feuds don't have world appeal.
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Sometimes I think about this subject and I wonder how far-reaching are the implications of our decisions.
What gate precisely did he open, though?
This forum actively seeks out crazy internet people now. We don't have to prod anyone - in fact the kiwi farms' philosophy is inarguably more strictly non-interventionist than the wild west rules that "governed" interaction with Chris. But is that because our appetite was whetted by a novel example? Or because the rules of the online world have changed dramatically since 2007? Regardless... this forum has an active economy in exposing monsters online, and I think Chris-trolling directly fed into that. Which means more when you consider the fact that that Chris community was - relatively speaking - a tiny backwater in its heyday, but now the farms are becoming such a big internet presence that we can't really be ignored by anyone, and I think a lot of outsiders and newcomers don't even think about the connection.
I think trolling Chris led to an institutional change in the way some very big communities do things now.
What gate precisely did he open, though?
This forum actively seeks out crazy internet people now. We don't have to prod anyone - in fact the kiwi farms' philosophy is inarguably more strictly non-interventionist than the wild west rules that "governed" interaction with Chris. But is that because our appetite was whetted by a novel example? Or because the rules of the online world have changed dramatically since 2007? Regardless... this forum has an active economy in exposing monsters online, and I think Chris-trolling directly fed into that. Which means more when you consider the fact that that Chris community was - relatively speaking - a tiny backwater in its heyday, but now the farms are becoming such a big internet presence that we can't really be ignored by anyone, and I think a lot of outsiders and newcomers don't even think about the connection.
I think trolling Chris led to an institutional change in the way some very big communities do things now.
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My only issue with our involvement with CWC is that we never murdered him, and we allowed his evil father to die while never fighting back against his dad's attempts to chop down the Internet.
The Man With No Name
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I kind of flowered up my language for no reason there. I guess I meant that when he posted his stuff on the internet and Youtube, you can't really hold the internet accountable for what happens after that. Somebody, at some point, would torment him if they knew they could draw a reaction out of him.
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Was it right? Nope, I strongly think it wasn't right.
Was it entertaining? Yeah, pretty entertaining I won't lie, plus he kind of pioneered Lolcowdom (or atleast made it somewhat popular)
Was it entertaining? Yeah, pretty entertaining I won't lie, plus he kind of pioneered Lolcowdom (or atleast made it somewhat popular)
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I think it wasn't the right thing for Bob, it definitely gave him some added unneeded stress. Chris and Barb definitely deserved it though.
Now that doesn't make it right, but I don't have any feelings of remorse about how Chris Chan has been treated online. He has had opportunities to redeem himself, he has had chances to change, he has had wake up calls. He has ignored all of them for his own selfish desires and ego.
At the top of the list of who has done wrong to Chris is going to be Chris himself, not us.
Now that doesn't make it right, but I don't have any feelings of remorse about how Chris Chan has been treated online. He has had opportunities to redeem himself, he has had chances to change, he has had wake up calls. He has ignored all of them for his own selfish desires and ego.
At the top of the list of who has done wrong to Chris is going to be Chris himself, not us.
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