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Is Patrick Klepek worthy of his own thread?

  • Yes, Jaimas and the content he posted about Pat convinced me.

    Votes: 12 23.1%
  • No, he doesn't stand ouy much from the rest of his ilk

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • No, this is basically already a Pat Klepek thread

    Votes: 5 9.6%
  • Fuck it, make a game journos general

    Votes: 33 63.5%

  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
I have listened to the waypoint podcast in the past, and they often make the point of being able to criticize the politics or problematic aspects of game you otherwise love. It's a pretty reasonable attitude of "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." I don't get why it doesn't apply to this game or any game that they hate instead of love. Why do they refuse to critique this game? I have the feeling its because they just don't have a very sophisticated take down of this game. It is pretty much as simple as them not liking the attitude of the creator on twitter and the game not having a magic number of black bodies to satisfy their sensibilities.

Imagine if they streamed the game and actually in spite of their political views started having fun with it? They would be officially having fun with hate speech materials!
 
I have listened to the waypoint podcast in the past, and they often make the point of being able to criticize the politics or problematic aspects of game you otherwise love. It's a pretty reasonable attitude of "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." I don't get why it doesn't apply to this game or any game that they hate instead of love. Why do they refuse to critique this game? I have the feeling its because they just don't have a very sophisticated take down of this game. It is pretty much as simple as them not liking the attitude of the creator on twitter and the game not having a magic number of black bodies to satisfy their sensibilities.

Imagine if they streamed the game and actually in spite of their political views started having fun with it? They would be officially having fun with hate speech materials!
Two different standards, they probably also make arguments about deplatforming. Everything is problematic so they need a way to justify why they can like their stupid media, but if it's actual wrongthink there is no saving it. Typical cognitive dissonance.
 
they often make the point of being able to criticize the politics or problematic aspects of game you otherwise love. It's a pretty reasonable attitude of "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water." I don't get why it doesn't apply to this game or any game that they hate instead of love.
The reason is probably to maintain their own comfort. They don't disown games they like even if they contradict their ideology because that would limit the media that they're allowed to enjoy and talk about. But they don't like or play games like Kingdom Come, so they attack it for wokeness points.

These people are lazy narcissists.
 
https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/video-game-culture-hate-speech/6189
http://archive.is/LWHD0

To give an example of what I’m writing about, I give an example of the outdated term “pwn” and explain how it came from the word “own” and originally meant that you were “owning someone”, like a slave. Over time, the original meanings get lost and people who aren’t familiar with the term will use it. Then I quote a couple examples in pop culture where the term gets used, like on an episode of NBC’s Community. A lot of it also has to do with how the competitive nature of online communities leads to “smack talk” and how, if left unchecked, people start using the worst possible insults and slurs. Then, over time, those get used in everyday parlance on message boards, like 4chan, and people get normalized to hearing/using them.

So, does anyone know of any articles/videos related to video game subcultures and hate speech (or even other internet cultures, such as 4chan) that might be useful? Also, does anyone have good articles about positive subcultures, especially ones with examples of how they’ve fought against hate speech?
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Patrick Klepek might have an opinion, needs affirmation from PoCs and women before he's sure though. https://archive.fo/m6RfN
I Really Like 'God of War,' But Reserve The Right to Change My Mind
With everything else in life, the arguments and viewpoints of others influence my thinking. It's the same with video games, too.

Apr 30 2018, 1:39pm

I really liked the new God of War. It has problems—pacing is a mess in the second half, the absence of Kratos’ wife underscores the game’s broader avoidance of a series with a history of violent misogyny—but in broad strokes, I really liked it. It spoke to me as a new father, and as someone who, like Kratos, looks back at their older self in embarrassment, cherishing the growth that comes from getting older. (I have not killed any Greek gods, but it’s all relative.)

That said, I reserve the right to change my mind; it is not my settled opinion on this cultural artifact. My personal reading of God of War informed the 2,000-something word review published on Waypoint, but it reflects a fixed moment in time, when I played through a very long game largely in isolation, left only to my own thoughts, impressions, and reactions. I then wrote a lot of words very quickly.

I’m confident in my opinions, but not arrogant enough to think they’re unmoveable, which is why I’m eager to read what others think in the pending wave of new criticism about the game. Which brings me to my next point: BioShock Infinite. Stay with me.

Though I haven’t played it since 2013, I still think about BioShock Infinite a lot.

After finishing BioShock Infinite, I was over the moon. Columbia wasn’t Rapture, but it was a sprawling, ambitious science fiction story that checkmarked all the boxes Patrick Klepek looks for. Combat was a wash, and the multiple lighthouses a boring trope, but it pitched itself and felt like a capital s Serious video game. This was a story that had something to say about race, politics, and the messy ways conflict and power corrupt even those with the best intentions. If you wanted video games to be seen as art, we needed more BioShock Infinites, and as someone who was, at the time, trying to transition to more serious criticism, this fit.

When the game came out, everything supported my initial reading. Reviews dropped, and everyone liked the game. Not only was it good, it seemed important.

Then, others weighed in. Specifically, people outside the establishment game reviewing cognoscenti, a small group of individuals who tend to review the “big” games, and thus set the tone for how a game is perceived and talked about. (I’m part of this, and have been for a long time.) As critics like Waypoint’s Austin Walker (“I Can See My House From Here: Bioshock Infinite, Nostalgia, and The Uncanny”), Anjin Anhut (“Infinite Privilege”), Gary Alexander (“Columbia: Problematic Racism Theme Park”), Leigh Alexander ( BioShock Infinite: Now Is The Best Time”), and others published essays, my calculus changed. I’d taken so much of BioShock Infinite’s at face value, and mistook a game projecting as serious to mean it was also “right.”

Isolation is not how I come to terms with understanding—well, anything. Politics, video games, movies, music, whatever. I’m anxious to read as many opinions as possible beyond the scope of my own lived experience. There’s a reason I listen to podcasts at 1.5X or 1.8X speed. Otherwise, there’s no way to keep up; there’s so much good stuff out there, and we live in a time when it’s possible to easily find viewpoints highly divergent from your own. This is especially important when you’re in positions of power, influence, and taste-setting. Your only excuse for staying in a bubble is because you’re choosing to elevate emotional comfort.

Every time, someone says something that makes me go think, puts into words a feeling I couldn’t articulate, or argues in a way that forces a re-examination of conclusions. The opinions of others help me better form my own. It’s a process built on my reaction, and the result is a delightful mixture. What’s important is the fluidity, keeping one’s mind open to the possibility of not only challenging a personal reaction, but willing to admit you could be wrong.

I don’t know what I don’t know until I finally do.

Which is all to say that I still very much like parts of BioShock Infinite, but having processed the viewpoints of others, my feelings on the game are far more conflicted now. I don’t think that’s a particularly controversial take, but complicated in the context of reviewing, where people are being asked to provide a definitive “take” that’s really more of an impression.

We all bring a hierarchy of values to how we understand and interpret a work, and every person’s hierarchy is different. My guess is that hierarchy is awfully similar amongst game reviewers, despite recent encouraging pushes for diversity in games writing, which means a break in uniform opinion, often itself indicative of a problem, is construed as a “backlash.” (This often leads to a backlash to the backlash, when the original group reasserts position.) Is it a “backlash” when the consensus probably shouldn’t have existed in the first place?

I don’t know that I could consciously verbalize my own hierarchy of values, but there are certain critics I follow because I can understand theirs, and they help me fill in the blanks. I consider their voices vital to filling out my reaction.

If you talk to a bunch of reviewers, my guess is most have a policy of not talking to other people about how they feel about a game (or reading another critic’s review) before they’re done with their own. It’s the notion of being “tainted” or “biased” when you’re trying to settle on your own thoughts, and it’s driven so much of my own critical thinking because it’s what I was taught, observed, and practiced during my (too) many years doing this professionally. But it's also a practice that hasn't evolved much, even as the way we talk about games has.

What if that’s bullshit? Or, at least, what if we gave reviews less weight? Not because some aren’t true or well-argued—again, I liked God of War and my review reflects that—but reviews are nothing more than an opinion from a moment in time. It’s an introduction, not a conclusion, with reviews acting as the first wave of (usually mild and gameplay-focused) examination.

In reviewing God of War, I knew I was hopelessly biased to a game about trying to be a good father. As a new parent who grew up with a dad who loved them but rarely found ways to express it—and let me be clear, he was a good person who in no way reflected the toxic masculinity of Kratos—I’m predisposed to the game’s emotional beats. It’s the same way after my father passed, I can barely keep it together during a sentimental commercial for Kleenex. Certain topics are going to grab me, they’ll blind me to others, and the joy of reading other reactions is using them to help me better understand a work holistically.

Everyone has blind spots, but it takes conviction and patience to find your own.

As reviews went live, for example, people started wondering if the game reckoned with its deeply sexualized and angry history with women. My review touched on that point, but largely focused on what the game did want to grapple with: violence. It made me think back to BioShock Infinite: Had I made the same mistake, blindly accepting a game on the grounds of what it wanted to talk about, not realizing what it didn’t say was the more important point?

Maybe? That’s something I’ll need to take stock of, do more research, and grow as a critic. I said what I wanted to say about God of War in my review, from the very specific perspective of a person trying to understand what it means to be a father, but that's only one way to view God of War. It is not truth, it's a truth.

That’s what I’m excited to do in the weeks and months ahead, as people process the game. So far, I still like God of War, but who knows? I don’t think it’s a contradiction to have written a positive, if critical, review for God of War, and to land somewhere else at a different time. If we’re granting Kratos is allowed to change, I’m allowed to change my mind on Kratos, too.

(If you’re looking for some examples of the critically-divergent criticism I was speaking about, read Julie Muncy’s review at Wired and Garrett Martin’s essay at Paste.)

Follow Patrick on Twitter. If you have a tip or a story idea, drop him an email: patrick.klepek@vice.com.

https://twitter.com/patrickklepek/status/991058488179687425 (https://archive.fo/pnQs9)
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https://twitter.com/PhoxelHQ/status/991321646215647233 (https://archive.fo/hAO7Y)
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ResetEra with some commentary: https://www.resetera.com/threads/pa...ut-reserve-the-right-to-change-my-mind.39699/ (https://archive.fo/byYOA)
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Mods protecting Patrick's feelings because they know he reads ResetEra
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I was going to finish this off by making fun of the fact Patrick Klepek has EXTREMELY woke in his twitter bio, but suddenly, gone. This might be in direct response to him being made fun of in the ResetEra thread.
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It certainly is. I like how the mods respond to every complaint without proper apologies or everactually saying anything different. Also, from that thread:

That’s the one thing - the other is seeing the fallout the author now has to deal with (I don’t mean this thread and I don’t mean people criticising waypoint, but the people @ ing her on twitter) scares me a lot as a trans creator. It also scares me that a misstep when dealing with this/any trans topic leads to deeply hurting so many people, to circle back to my paragraph above.

I guess, what I’m trying to say is that transness has been made into this awful thing by a cis society that dealing with any trans themes is an incredibly dangerous endeavour.
Willfully ignorant or in for a hilarious awakening?
 
I love the fact that Waypoint isn't even interesting enough for us to mock, it's easily one of the most boring sites I have ever seen, I mean, we have a lot to say about Kotaku or Polygon, but you can't call them completely uninteresting in any aspect, not to mention that they can make interesting articles every now and then.

Also, Klepek is a cuck, pure and simple, this GOW article of his is basically him asking others to write his opinion for him, if a writer can't even settle on an opinion that's compelling enough for him to write a shitty clickbait article about, then why even bother working there in the 1st place?
 
Lol at Austin Walker trying to appear darker and browner in every twitter avatar iteration. He’s lighter than a paper bag.
I think nothing describes Autism Walker better than his own tweet:

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Who the fuck wants to be the Lisa Simpson of anything? I almost always mentally checked out of any Lisa-centric episodes.
 
I think nothing describes Autism Walker better than his own tweet:

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Who the fuck wants to be the Lisa Simpson of anything? I almost always mentally checked out of any Lisa-centric episodes.
No one who feels the need to state their purpose out loud as "progressive" or "alternative" actually intends this. Any middle schooler who has shopped at hot topic can readily tell you this.
 
I think nothing describes Autism Walker better than his own tweet:

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Who the fuck wants to be the Lisa Simpson of anything? I almost always mentally checked out of any Lisa-centric episodes.
Tfw you try to appear as a progressive intellectual but can't differentiate a forced sissyfication fanfic from thought provoking commentary. I bet this nigga here browses fanfiction.net for Sonic pregnancy fics and reflects on how they're about the role of maternity in capitalist patriarchy.

Anyways if Waypoint is Lisa Simpson of gaming, does this mean they often show their concerns in the most uncivil manner possible despite the legitimacy of issue, and constantly discover new idols just to get disillusioned in them ("oops that one woke guy is a rapist, who could have seen it coming?")? Woke Twitter loves those scenes where Lisa makes some obvious statements about social problems and gets ignored by family, but they forget how family's idiocy is a running gag, how Lisa is as prone to doing bad things despite her noble intention or due to her hubris, and how she often throws a hissy fit instead of trying to resolve things constructively.
 
Tfw you try to appear as a progressive intellectual but can't differentiate a forced sissyfication fanfic from thought provoking commentary. I bet this nigga here browses fanfiction.net for Sonic pregnancy fics and reflects on how they're about the role of maternity in capitalist patriarchy.

That is the funniest goddamn mental image.

"Simon, the fuck you doing?"

"IT'S FOR AN ARTICLE OKAY"
 
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