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[Oh Long Johnson]

The ideology is already becoming a joke, a fad that will be looked back upon like the moral panic of satanism in the 90s.

An object lesson in the utility of PoMo. You can have Jacques Derrida talk until the word money infers the suffering and oppression of the Asian bok choy farmer, but that's all a complete waste of time once some smart ass shouts, "Ching chong, bok bok!"

 

[QD 846]

@Tanner Glass @Jaimas
i think you guys are underestimating just how widespread this shit actually is. buzzfeed, huffpo and vice are the loudest and most obnoxious examples, but the underlying ideology is shared by the vast majority of media personnel across almost all outlets that aren't explicit right-wing mouthpieces like breitbart or ben shapiros site.

while some shitty vice spinoff site might realistically go under, big players like the NYT sure as hell aren't going away anytime soon, even though they are every bit as pozzed as buzzfeed/huffpo/vice are.

 

[CrunkLord420]

@Tanner Glass @Jaimas
i think you guys are underestimating just how widespread this shit actually is. buzzfeed, huffpo and vice are the loudest and most obnoxious examples, but the underlying ideology is shared by the vast majority of media personnel across almost all outlets that aren't explicit right-wing mouthpieces like breitbart or ben shapiros site.

while some shitty vice spinoff site might realistically go under, big players like the NYT sure as hell aren't going away anytime soon, even though they are every bit as pozzed as buzzfeed/huffpo/vice are.

Journos are a minority of the total population and are not representative of actual culture.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

The late 2010s were all about Getting Woke. Will 2019 finally be the year of Going Broke?

Going broke while doubling down on failure!

 

[Jaimas]

@Tanner Glass @Jaimas
i think you guys are underestimating just how widespread this shit actually is. buzzfeed, huffpo and vice are the loudest and most obnoxious examples, but the underlying ideology is shared by the vast majority of media personnel across almost all outlets that aren't explicit right-wing mouthpieces like breitbart or ben shapiros site.

while some shitty vice spinoff site might realistically go under, big players like the NYT sure as hell aren't going away anytime soon, even though they are every bit as pozzed as buzzfeed/huffpo/vice are.

You're missing the point: They don't have to go away at all.

NYT was around before the Autistic screeching that is Intersectional Social Justice arrived on its doorstep, and it will be around after it fucks off. What sites like the NYT are going to do is slowly cut their losses. They won't announce it, they won't make a big deal of it, but sooner or later, they'll start cutting loose the outrage-mongers on the staff, just like Buzzfeed did.

What's causing this phenomenon is simple economic self-interest. Historically, the woke ideology brigade are in marketing fields, if they aren't in positions like HR, were hired due to cronyism, or are diversity hires. None of them are in critical leadership positions, they're fork-and-spoon operators. The higher-ups could not give less of a fuck. We know this from people relatively high in the company and those who've seen what goes on behind the scenes. The thing is, most of these people are easy as fuck to replace, and you can only fail so many times before your company's shareholders start the heavy breathing. Complaints from would-be customers they don't give a shit about, but rest assured: They notice when their bottom line gets hit.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

You guys are misunderstanding what i'm saying. The whole "woke" sjw thing is here to stay in our culture. Just because a few sites go down won't change the fact that everything is going to "diverse and inclusive" no matter what.

This happened in the 90's too, it died out by the end of it though. I've been saying for a while now that when they remake "PCU" it'll officially be over for about 5-8 years then they cycle will start again.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The ideology is already becoming a joke, a fad that will be looked back upon like the moral panic of satanism in the 90s.

I disagree, It's being normalized. I saw Joe Scarborough talk about his "white privilege" the other day.

The way I think of it is like the hippy movement of the 60s or the environmentalists of the 90s and 2000s.

The hipster look is already an anachronistic cliche. Lensless glasses, dyed hair, and skinny jeans are to hipsters what tie dye shirts and long hair were for the hippies. Yes, you still see them occasionally, but they are far from mainstream.

The same is true for media. Woke games and films will be looked back on with the same disdain or irony we have for bible games, Christian rap, Captain Planet, and Fern Gully.

The movement itself will always exist, but it's pretty much dead as far as most people are concerned. Back in the 90s I'd always hear stories of GreenPeace chaining themselves to trees or harassing some whaling ship. Those things still happen but they seem rare compared to back in the 90s. 15 years from now social justice will still be around, but limited to isolated pockets of crazy and maybe the odd terrorist attack.

 

[Sissy Galvez]

You guys are misunderstanding what i'm saying. The whole "woke" sjw thing is here to stay in our culture. Just because a few sites go down won't change the fact that everything is going to "diverse and inclusive" no matter what.

I disagree, these diversity idiots aren’t making headway. For every “we’re making changes” is a minority crying about lack of exposure and opportunities etc. SOME people are getting ahead, most aren’t.

 

[Tanner Glass]

you realize that both of these examples had tremendous long term success right?
sure the long haired flower power people are no longer around, but their ideology (anti war, anti authoritarian, pro drug, etc.) absolutely dominates western (pop)culture.
likewise, environmentalism has ascended to something that approaches the status of state religion in countries like germany. with the notable exception of trump, all major leaders of western countries are 100% dedicated to this ideology, some of them even more than they are to their own countries.

if the same is to be expected of the current woke crowd then we're all doomed.

I think that's where the analogy falls apart though.

The hippies had success to varying degrees because while they themselves were insufferable, the message was on point and resonated with a number of people. Democrats/Lefties resonated with "war is bad" and even some Repubs/Righties resonated with "why are out troops dying in Vietnam of all places"? Even non political people were able to jump in with "I don't want to/have my son drafted to die there". Same with free love and drugs, it was a message that people were able to get behind for better or worse.

The #woke crowd doesn't have an on point message and it resonates with virtually no one, because it literally cannot resonate. The message of "privilege" and "racism" not only don't resonate - they aren't even factually based. It tries to manipulate people and tear them down and people are (starting) to wise up to it. Even if people never actually wised up to it, it's such a bad position to have and doubly so for a company.

Hired all women - how many of them are black?
Got some black women - what do you mean by "woman", tranphobe?
Got some trannies - where is your muslim staff?
and so on.

Also - what are you supposed to do when a muslim man honor kills a trans woman in #woke culture? What about if a black gay man calls a white lady fat? When a prominent black comedian use homophobic slurs 10 years ago? #woke culture provides no clear answers because there isn't (and cannot be) a clear message.

TL;DR - the difference is in the message. Hippies grew because "war is bad" is a clear message, environmentalism grows because "we should treat the earth better" is a clear message, globalism grows because "we all should be one world united" is a clear message (even if these things are more complex than that).

#wokeness has "Diversity is great" as close as to a clear message, but it isn't true for anyone. Black people typically don't like gay people, muslims don't like anyone, women don't like transwomen, transwomen don't like women, black men don't like black women, everyone his mixed feelings about asians and jews, and so on. It's really hard to suggest that your stance is united when the people you claim to stand for are not and it's blatantly obvious to people on a surface level or through a lived experience.

 

[Next Task]

Entertainment is supposed to be a respite from the weary world and injecting entertainment (escapism) with the very thing people are trying to escape from means people are less likely to stick around.

This is what I'm definitely hoping the 'get woke go broke' move fixes. I want entertainment news, reviews and analysis. But I don't want that to be filtered through endless conversations about diversity, representation, identity politics and made-up controversies based on fewer than five people on Twitter saying something.

Currently, a large number of these journalists don't actually do their real jobs, instead acting like they've been hired to educate to unwoke masses and virtue signal to their fellow idpol adherents. Maybe the sites they work for, like Waypoint, Kotaku, The AVClub and so many more, will improve with many of those specific hires being fired. But the only real way to get people to know they've improved is to be able to resist the REEEEEEing and actively repudiate their current 'everything is political, specifically our type of political' mindset.

Basically, if they're not willing to push back against the people who will complain they're not progressive enough no matter what they do, they're more likely to go under than find a happy medium. It's not enough to remove the problem elements; they have to be able to resist a very vocal minority who have been demonstrated time and time again to not be able or willing to financially support these sites.

tl;dr The sites need to be able to stand up for better journalism and less wokeness, or they'll go under - and no-one who matters will mourn their passing.

 

[Judge Dredd]

The hippies had success to varying degrees because while they themselves were insufferable, the message was on point and resonated with a number of people.

To be more specific, people had the same grievances as environmentalists, but disagreed with their solutions and methods. Most people agree that turning a national heritage site into a landfill is a bad idea. Most people also think that chaining yourself to some trees is a stupid idea. That doesn't mean greenpeace won when your local government approved plans to open a recycling center.

The current woke example would be "Teach men not to rape". No one is pro-rape, but most people think demonizing men is bad too. When the migrant crisis is over and rape statistics drop the left might do a victory lap and claim they won, but by that point that movement will be discredited and no one will be left to care.

 

[Jaimas]

I think that's where the analogy falls apart though.

The hippies had success to varying degrees because while they themselves were insufferable, the message was on point and resonated with a number of people. Democrats/Lefties resonated with "war is bad" and even some Repubs/Righties resonated with "why are out troops dying in Vietnam of all places"? Even non political people were able to jump in with "I don't want to/have my son drafted to die there". Same with free love and drugs, it was a message that people were able to get behind for better or worse.

The #woke crowd doesn't have an on point message and it resonates with virtually no one, because it literally cannot resonate. The message of "privilege" and "racism" not only don't resonate - they aren't even factually based. It tries to manipulate people and tear them down and people are (starting) to wise up to it. Even if people never actually wised up to it, it's such a bad position to have and doubly so for a company.

Hired all women - how many of them are black?
Got some black women - what do you mean by "woman", tranphobe?
Got some trannies - where is your muslim staff?
and so on.

Also - what are you supposed to do when a muslim man honor kills a trans woman in #woke culture? What about if a black gay man calls a white lady fat? When a prominent black comedian use homophobic slurs 10 years ago? #woke culture provides no clear answers because there isn't (and cannot be) a clear message.

TL;DR - the difference is in the message. Hippies grew because "war is bad" is a clear message, environmentalism grows because "we should treat the earth better" is a clear message, globalism grows because "we all should be one world united" is a clear message (even if these things are more complex than that).

#wokeness has "Diversity is great" as close as to a clear message, but it isn't true for anyone. Black people typically don't like gay people, muslims don't like anyone, women don't like transwomen, transwomen don't like women, black men don't like black women, everyone his mixed feelings about asians and jews, and so on. It's really hard to suggest that your stance is united when the people you claim to stand for are not and it's blatantly obvious to people on a surface level or through a lived experience.

That's actually a major point most should take note of with this shit-show, especially in regards to these publications. All these assholes constantly pontificating about the need for woke politics and shit: Nothing ever appeases them. They have no endgame or victory condition (for example, when race X comprises Y percentage of CEOs, racism is ended) beyond keeping the outrage fires burning. Every concession made towards them is not met with thanks, but demands for further concessions, and, in turn, still more. You literally cannot please them as a base, they demonstrably do not buy shit specifically marketed to them, which basically leaves a market of everyone the fuck else.

Never forget why this horse-shit got as far as it did in the first place: Marketing types, eager to try to push brand, bought into the ideology because Social Media has mostly women on it and pissing them off grabs eyeballs the most and ergo drives clicks. They bought into this in part because clickbait was moving business for a bit, and partly because the newest generation of hires for marketing departments are insane Social Justice types. The problem? Clickbait as a market bottomed out, and any shithead on Tumblr can fart out the sort of quality these demoralized failures claim is the hallmark of their professional careers. So when these assholes piss off everyone, inevitably, there's nothing below it to fall back on.

There's only so many people that can go broke from getting woke before it sinks in with basically everyone with a functioning sense of pattern recognition that maybe hiring these insane shitheads who do nothing but damage your bottom line maybe isn't the best thing for your company.

Think of the recent Gillette ad campaign. While Gillette declared the ad campaign a success because it raised awareness, sales are acutally down as a specific result of that campaign and when the big numbers come in from the previous quarter, I'd be seriously surprised if they didn't wind up burning quite a large bit of money on it, considering they pulled their ad buyin from the Super Bowl.

 

[Tanner Glass]

i kinda disagree with this.
their message boils down to "white man bad", and this resonates with the vast majority of non whites (and even a significant amount of whites too)
as demographic change and mass immigration keep progressing, those people are bound to become the majority in america (and most other western countries too) over the course of the decade.

It does resonate, at first. But it quickly already has turned into a "First they came for X, and I did not speak up because I was not X" scenario.

Currently in the #wokesphere you have the following issues.
- Feminism isn't about women, it's about women and transpeople. If you dare speak up (as a women) you are branded a "TERF" and basically excommunicated from feminism.
- Gay men are being excluded from LBGT communities and activities because of their "male privilege"
- Women are being pushed out of their own "women's only" spaces - including bathrooms, spas, salons, and sporting activities. In the last few weeks alone the women's weightlifting and bicycling world championships (and a few world records) were taken by transwomen.
- The woman's march was supposed to be about women's unity but it turns out they don't actually want you there if you're white - and really don't want you there if you're Jewish.
- Black men are being pushed out of the #wokesphere also because of their "male privilege".

So, yes, if they had a very clear and convincing message of "white men bad" then you're right that it would quickly become a majority. However it has quickly devolved.

- "Straight white men bad"
- "Straight White people bad"
- "Straight white people bad and also gay men who are republican, work for the government, or are cops"
- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, and also black men"
- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, black men, also Jews"
- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, black men, Jews, and any lesbian woman who doesn't like cock"
- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, black men, Jews, some lesbians, and anyone who thinks that transwomen aren't women"
- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, black men, Jews, some lesbians, "transphobes", and anyone who believes in "innocent until proven guilty" as opposed to "listen and believe".

I could go on further, but I hope this highlights why it is currently falling apart. The main issue is that it is not at it's actual core an "inclusive" message; it just looks that way until you try and get included. Really the only two sacred groups currently are trannies and muslims, who not only do not actually get along with one another but will never constitute a majority.

EDIT - Apparently I'm racist as I forgot Asians and Irish people, but no one likes them either.

 

[AnOminous]

- "Straight white people bad, gay men who are republicans/cops, black men, Jews, some lesbians, "transphobes", and anyone who believes in "innocent until proven guilty" as opposed to "listen and believe".

Don't forget Asians, who are now literally actively and openly discriminated against by Harvard to the point they're suing.

 

[mrdk_04]

i kinda disagree with this.
their message boils down to "white man bad", and this resonates with the vast majority of non whites (and even a significant amount of whites too)
as demographic change and mass immigration keep progressing, those people are bound to become the majority in america (and most other western countries too) over the course of the decade.

Pretty much what @Tanner Glass said, with a small footnote that nobody with an ounce of integrity likes self-pitying/self-hating people. It's pathetic and not worth bothering with.
The only audience "white man bad" will ever consistently reach are middle class yuppies who can't accept their boring and safe origins, are upset at the current state of the world and then buy into whatever narrative provides them with an answer and solution. It's the intellectual equivalent of eating junk food.

It's pretty cynical of you to think non-whites would accept such concepts so easily, especially when continuously faced with what a typical self-flagellating whitey comes across as.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

yeah, among white people. the rest of the population couldn't give less of a fuck about this, they'll support the anti white position either way.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045217

Because their opinions matter so much demographically.

Edit: that Age and Sex section is a kind of questionably arranged.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

In the latest exceptional episode of Waypoint: Here's a game we were too lazy/biased to cover despite it being a hit, let us tell you why we're too lazy/biased in a podcast that's over an hour long (the answer may shock you):

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I thought about listening to the podcast, but I value my remaining brain cells far too much.

The classic SJW solution of playing opossum until the wrongthink goes away.

This is pretty sad, retardera dunking on waypoint and the fake woke shit they try to cash in on. I’m honestly, and pleasantly, surprised that they’re seeing through the bullshit and calling it out.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Patrick and Austin are human garbage.

You just know it's entirely because of personal grudge shit and nothing else.

Liz Ryerson, you're a bigger cunt than TotalBiscuit ever was.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

Pretty much what @Tanner Glass said, with a small footnote that nobody with an ounce of integrity likes self-pitying/self-hating people. It's pathetic and not worth bothering with.
The only audience "white man bad" will ever consistently reach are middle class yuppies who can't accept their boring and safe origins, are upset at the current state of the world and then buy into whatever narrative provides them with an answer and solution. It's the intellectual equivalent of eating junk food.

It's pretty cynical of you to think non-whites would accept such concepts so easily, especially when continuously faced with what a typical self-flagellating whitey comes across as.

Honestly, I think a major reason why these dorks buy into this bullshit is because the rise in secularism has left a lot of people in western without some "metaphysical center", to quote JBP. Basically, they're too smooth-brained to discover meaning without either a religious or pseudo-religious framework, and the shriveling of Judeo/Christian appeal has left them scrambling to find a new schema to explain their painful lack of relevance. I'd recommend they do more reading about Stoicism, but apparently, these idiots prefer the fantasy writing of Marx and Engels.

And that's where the pseudo-Marxist intersectionalism comes in, for these exceptionals - it follows the familiar pattern of "This group good, this group bad, this identity sinful, this one beatific, give money for absolution"; I have no idea what the mechanism that makes this appealing to them is, but it's the only explanation I have for the phenomenon.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Honestly, I think a major reason why these dorks buy into this bullshit is because the rise in secularism has left a lot of people in western without some "metaphysical center", to quote JBP. Basically, they're too smooth-brained to discover meaning without either a religious or pseudo-religious framework, and the shriveling of Judeo/Christian appeal has left them scrambling to find a new schema to explain their painful lack of relevance. I'd recommend they do more reading about Stoicism, but apparently, these idiots prefer the fantasy writing of Marx and Engels.

And that's where the pseudo-Marxist intersectionalism comes in, for these exceptionals - it follows the familiar pattern of "This group good, this group bad, this identity sinful, this one beatific, give money for absolution"; I have no idea what the mechanism that makes this appealing to them is, but it's the only explanation I have for the phenomenon.

I don't think it's all that deep. The only thing that has really changed is that with the rise of Social Media that you are no longer being introduced to or challenged by new ideas. It used to be that, twenty years ago let's say, that you would make friends locally in your area and those friends would be their own people. Maybe you had some conservative friends, maybe you had gay friends, the point being is that you typically had a mix of them and never got to form a "group" around any kind of ideals.

Additionally, you would encounter "new" ideas from people that you liked and respected as they were your friends, neighbors, and loved ones and having a discussion about politics between friends wasn't a lightning rod for unbridled emotional outbursts then as it is now. You could even, dare I say it, be persuaded to change some of your views based on your interactions with some of these people.

In the social media age though, there is so much information out there. Do you want to make friends with people who only agree with you (or fuckbuddies, or a doctor, or whatever?) - there's an app for that! Even if you don't explicitly want to do that, the apps will push you in that direction. There's groups and events now that weed people you would deem "unsavory", social media tools and "blockbots" that will removed their ability to talk to you before it ever existed. Facebook and newspages with algorithms that a re designed to show you things that you want to see (or more cynically, what Facebook wants you to see).

So you have this new generation who are basically signing up for indoctrination at a young age with no tools to defend themselves with, if not their community or friends, who do they turn to? Social Media people - twitter people, news pundits, youtubers, bloggers, whatever. Most of these people don't have a frame of reference for a civil political discussion in a social setting because they no longer have a regular social setting and they think that is what "normal" is and as long as there are people profiting from it (People like Shaun "Al Sharpton 2" King and Facebook) there is going to be a push to make it the new "normal" and keep it that way.

 

[Zaryiu]

@Tanner Glass @Jaimas
i think you guys are underestimating just how widespread this shit actually is. buzzfeed, huffpo and vice are the loudest and most obnoxious examples, but the underlying ideology is shared by the vast majority of media personnel across almost all outlets that aren't explicit right-wing mouthpieces like breitbart or ben shapiros site.

while some shitty vice spinoff site might realistically go under, big players like the NYT sure as hell aren't going away anytime soon, even though they are every bit as pozzed as buzzfeed/huffpo/vice are.

Late but even if doesn't go away (A man can dream) i see it going the way of the hippies eventually as far as influence goes