🐱 'We have co-workers instead': Hinge dating profiles spark discussion about how men don’t have friends

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A series of viral TikToks sparked discussion about toxic masculinity and how men’s dating profiles indicate they don’t have healthy friendships with other men.
The saga started with a video posted on April 14 by Jordan (@off_jawaggon), who commented on the low standards for men on dating apps like Hinge and Tinder.
“Basically all I have to do is not ask for nudes or make lewd sexual comments in the first few conversations, and you would have thought I was a knight in shining armor riding in on a white horse,” the TikToker said in the video.
In response, Jazz (@ringsofvail) noted the type of men’s dating profiles that she finds annoying or funny, and she calls out men for lying in their bios.
“I just want to take your attention to the height because I’m taller than this man and I’m 5’5,” Jazz sad. “I know he’s fucking lying.” Jazz also shared a man’s Tinder profile in which he said he was “heartbroken” and “looking for a girl to hold me.”
“Do men not have friends?” Jazz said.
Some users in the comments seconded the question—while others posited that men really do have a hard time finding friends or other outlets to vent.
“Sad reality is, most men don’t have that outlet and never will,” one user wrote. “As someone who is deeply emotional, it’s difficult finding someone to put up with it.”
“This ain’t the movies, having friends is a part of the male fantasy,” another commenter said. “It’s not reality for many men. We have co-workers instead.”
Jordan told the Daily Dot that she has asked guys she’s dating about their friends’ ages and they had no idea but that she knows many personal details about her best friend.
In another TikTok, Jordan said that Jazz’s response was what he was hoping for and analyzed the reason that men lack friends.
Jordan said that men do have friends but, unlike women, lack safe spaces to be vulnerable about their emotions. He also said that men statistically have fewer friends than women, and if they do form emotional bonds with other men, it’s because of experience (e.g., playing on a team together or working together).
Jordan also cited statistics that men are twice as likely to commit suicide have high rates of substance abuse. “We binge more often, and we die younger,” Jordan said.
He said these issues partly stem from societal pressures and gender roles and noted that younger boys report not wanting to share their feelings, which makes it harder for them to form connections with other boys.
Jordan said that a man forms a relationship with a woman, they will turn to her with their problems and emotions.
Jordan also said he is very comfortable with his sexuality even though society pressures men not to cry or talk about their feelings. Jordan said even though he has friends in his life to talk to, he still feels stress and anxiety when trying to express emotions to another man.
“It’s a lot easier and way more natural and comfortable for me and I think most guys just talk to a woman about these things, if we’re gonna talk about it at all,” the TikToker said.
He said guys tend to bottle things up or self-medicate, which eventually turns into an emotional dumping on women. Overall, Jordan said, not dealing with emotions can manifest in unhealthy ways such as violence and suicide.
“Guys usually have a lot more going on that we don’t even know how to talk about,” Jordan said.
 
Women like those in this article want relationships similar to Disney rides where you don't have to do anything and just sit back and relax through it as everything is presented to you. For them, a guy wanting emotional support in the relationship is work they don't feel like dealing with.
 
This is a weird article. It feels like the intent was to be sympathetic but it's still 75% men are scum women most affected garbage.
This is the kinda shit these kinds of people have pulled for years,since the fucking 2010s, but now on tiktok so article.
"men can't show their feelings! they have gender roles expectations to meet! Toxic masculinity!" and then out the other mouth they go "WHY ARE MEN CRYING ALL THE TIME, WEIRDO INCELS WILL COMMIT TERRORISM PROBABLY! TOXIC MASCULINITY!!!" or some dumb shit .
It's all a fucking pointless politics theater of trying to make the guys you want to make feel bad feel bad. The fact the article frames gaining friends from with experience through other people as a weird alien concept fucking astounds me. Nearly a decade ago I had a chance encounter with another guy that liked the dumb drawings I did and we've been friends ever since. Been rotting for a decade being shat on by the hyper political who act like I have no friends but i've still been able to make and keep a good number of friends and acquaintances in my life. Not knowing the persons exact age and height and shit is fucking normal, whothe fuck knows that shit unless they actively asked at some pointor are a fucking stalker?
 
Since the Social Media era started, it has been a stereotype that Men have fewer, but rather strong friendships which each other, while women have more, but superficial friends.
From personal experience, I would say this is a true stereotype.
I know many women who have hundreds of facebook friends but are unable to find anyone willing to fill in for babysitting their kids, while most men have only small issues to get their friends to sacrifice multiple days to help them moving, wanting to only be paid in beers and grub.
 
I don't really have many friends, but I also didn't retain many from college or high school the way women seem to. The women I know spend all their time "catching up" with other women they see like twice a year. It's like they're terrified of letting people fall out of their lives.

The "buddies" I have are all from shared groups that I engage with, and I have a couple of people at work who I get along with but don't really see outside of work. If I had a pair of baseball tickets, I could easily find someone to go with me, and that's about all I need. Admittedly, I'm a single guy and it can be a little lonely on like a Friday night, but I don't know where adults are supposed to find actual friends... relief to know I'm not alone in that category, at least.
 
This is the kinda shit these kinds of people have pulled for years,since the fucking 2010s, but now on tiktok so article.
"men can't show their feelings! they have gender roles expectations to meet! Toxic masculinity!" and then out the other mouth they go "WHY ARE MEN CRYING ALL THE TIME, WEIRDO INCELS WILL COMMIT TERRORISM PROBABLY! TOXIC MASCULINITY!!!" or some dumb shit .
It's all a fucking pointless politics theater of trying to make the guys you want to make feel bad feel bad. The fact the article frames gaining friends from with experience through other people as a weird alien concept fucking astounds me. Nearly a decade ago I had a chance encounter with another guy that liked the dumb drawings I did and we've been friends ever since. Been rotting for a decade being shat on by the hyper political who act like I have no friends but i've still been able to make and keep a good number of friends and acquaintances in my life. Not knowing the persons exact age and height and shit is fucking normal, whothe fuck knows that shit unless they actively asked at some pointor are a fucking stalker?
It goes way back. Christina Hoff Sommers wrote The War on Boys way back in (iirc) 2004 about how putting all of the forces and money used to help kids solely towards girls had completely fucked generations of men, and that had far reaching and very negative consequences for women. That, and her pointing out that if you properly look at gender discrepancies in pay, equalizing for seniority and type of work the real pay gap was less than 3% and that using it in working towards equality was a bad tactic got her excommunicated from the church of feminism.

Only outrage from specific groups should be heard, I guess.
 
Don't almost all women backstab each other and act like vipers?
That is more a thing in very female dominated environments, less private friendship.
In weak friendship the good old "fade away" when things get slightly tough is more common. Only to return a few months later to upvote cute and valid vacation pics.
 
My best friend and I have been friends for the last 26 years or so…I know how old he is but I don’t know his fucking birthday. I don’t sneed to know all his personal details because we’re already friends. I’ve never been upset that he doesn’t know my birthday and he’s never been upset that I don’t know his. We just text eachother about dumb shit, occasionally go shooting, and we’re just guys being dudes.

Women always have to put all this weird dumb gay emphasis on adult friendships and social relationships. Do I have friends I met through work or school? Yeah sure. Do I only consider them co workers and not friends? Yeah sometimes. But the thing is I don’t have the time or the misprioritization of mental energy to be obsessive about their “personal details”. I know we get along, we like the same music/books/politics/hobbies, and we can tolerate eachothers company. Yeah we don’t hang out all the fucking time but that’s because we’re all busy working and some of them have kids of their own.

I swear to god this just stems from some women having “$75,000/yr to answer emails in an office” makework jobs so they can just sit around all day obsessing about dumb shit like this

ETA: most dudes I talk to IRL agree that after a certain age, it’s kind of gay (the bad kind) to celebrate your birthday and actually make “a thing” out of it. There’s obvious exceptions in the cases where you just want a good excuse to drink, go out to a nice restaurant, or organize some kind of rare group trip/outing with your friends
 
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Yes but pointing out how hollow, superficial, and based on personal gain most female friendships are is misogyny.
So many relationships wind up being completely transactional. You'll get X amount of time akd attention if you provide Y amount of emotional/financial support. This is why there are so many bitter broke dudes out there that absolutely loathe their exes.

This is an anecdotal example, but when My grandmother was on her deathbed she told my grandad that she only stayed with him "out of obligation". My grandad loved this woman more than life it self and she just hits him with a "you paid so I stayed". It broke him and he stopped taking care of himself after he retired. She ruined his finances and killed his will to live and he had no one to turn to for any kind of support because he still had to be strong for his kids and grandkids.
 
I agree in a sense, but it's not necessarily always true either. There's plenty of guys, even old dudes that have an absolute ton of friends. It really depends on your personality in a lot of cases. I used to have a lot in the past but it was at a time when I was way more social, had more time and energy. These days the thought of having a bunch of friends to keep up with regularly sounds exhausting. You get older, you'll probably get more responsibilities, it can become difficult just to keep up with your family and closest friends. I don't think it's a bad thing to keep a small circle. A lot of people would have more peace in their life if they learned to stop associating with riff raff for the sake of superficial friendships.
 
It goes way back. Christina Hoff Sommers wrote The War on Boys way back in (iirc) 2004 about how putting all of the forces and money used to help kids solely towards girls had completely fucked generations of men, and that had far reaching and very negative consequences for women. That, and her pointing out that if you properly look at gender discrepancies in pay, equalizing for seniority and type of work the real pay gap was less than 3% and that using it in working towards equality was a bad tactic got her excommunicated from the church of feminism.

Only outrage from specific groups should be heard, I guess.

It's not about helping anyone, or making anyone happy, it's always been about doubling the available income tax base, while halving traditional household incomes.
 
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