Wendigoon Thread

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Came looking for a bread on the man after listening to his Divine Comedy analysis at work and hearing him bracket the bit about the fate of sodomites in Hell with loud disclaimers about how "the church" doesn't teach that. If he's SBC, then he's doing a REALLY good job hiding his power level.

He’s mentioned growing up in Southern Baptist churches his whole life, but if that’s SBC IDK. Of course, views differ from church to church even in the same denomination, and Baptists are notable for pretty autonomous churches.
Believe you me, when we start talking about denominational shit things can go on for a while.

 

[Godchu]

Wake up Kiwi bros new wendigoon just dropped

 

[Aunt Carol]

I was worried at first, but two videos in, I'm enjoying Wendi's medical kick. There's an awkward phrasing when there's a term he doesn't know, and he has a lay understanding of what procedures are normal-terrible and what's terrible-terrible, but it's not like that podcast where he was making up Drug Facts out of thin air. He's done his research. He didn't even fall for the textbook photos of that burned leg-amputee guy in Texas being Ouchi.


Open brain surgery isn't painful, though. He's also a little shaky on vents and cardiac meds but it doesn't distract much until the end. "T. rex gauze" made me chuckle.

The moral coming around to "of course I'd make them do everything if there were the tiniest chance of survival" reminds me Wendi's a younger guy. In my understanding there's also an element of Japanese culture involved; they didn't have the legal concept of "brain death" until relatively recently (which is why Hideo Kojima has his recurring fascination with "biomorts" but that's another digression). Goals of care discussions are rough anywhere, but Japan puts more faith in the doctor as the decision-maker and head of the team.

 

[Catmannjew]

That was such a good video. He shut down the photo that is usually used in conjunction with Hisashi Ouchi. And he kept his dignity after death, and was talked about as a person. Which was nice!

I wish he talked about how heartbreaking the cranes really were. Cranes, are symbolic in a few ways. You could get a wish, some form or symbol of peace, or be cured of illness if you fold 1000.

Spoiler: Crane sperging

You will see them in children hospitals or after disasters. There was a cultural exchange that did 10k after a disaster in Japan and gave at a gift. And everyone knows about the girl who got leukemia after the us bombed Japan who was unable to finish her 1000 cranes for her single wish. When this is read in classroom often they will do the 1000 cranes.

A popular thing to do as outreach, people will fold cranes with kids in the hospital as it brightens up the room and is something to do.

As a third grader this is all you can do because you can't even take anything to your father.

In a the time Hisashi Ouchi spent alone, his son and father did enough for ten wishes or great well.

Edit: Kojima to Hisashi Ouchi.

 

[Vapewizard]

Until this point, of all the painful deaths I've learned of, I always thought the torture and murder of Junko furuta was the worst and most drawn out but this beats it. At the same time I'm also impressed at how long a human body can hold out under horrible circumstances even if it's with a lot of manmade assistance.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

The fact Ouchi's heart was left intact is the real miracle here. Don't think medical science will ever explain why the cardiac muscle didn't start melting like the other muscles did (and his blood was eating itself), but it could indeed be due to all the medicine being pumped into him. Who knows.

 

[cactus]

Until this point, of all the painful deaths I've learned of, I always thought the torture and murder of Junko furuta was the worst and most drawn out but this beats it. At the same time I'm also impressed at how long a human body can hold out under horrible circumstances even if it's with a lot of manmade assistance.

I don't know, Kojima was put into a coma after a certain point and didn't have to feel the pain and fear he would have experienced otherwise. Junko was tortured to death and had brain shrinkage because of it.

 

[Aunt Carol]

In a the time Kojima spent alone, his son and father did enough for ten wishes or great well.

I don't know, Kojima was put into a coma after a certain point and didn't have to feel the pain and fear he would have experienced otherwise.

This is my fault. We're talking about Wendi's video about Hisashi Ouchi, the irradiated guy who suffered horribly.

I mentioned Hideo Kojima--famous reverse-weeb and ass man--in a tangent about the Japanese conception of brain death, because I have opinions about recurring themes in Genius Kojumbo's works.

The fact Ouchi's heart was left intact is the real miracle here. Don't think medical science will ever explain why the cardiac muscle didn't start melting like the other muscles did (and his blood was eating itself), but it could indeed be due to all the medicine being pumped into him. Who knows.

Man, don't quote me but doesn't cardiac muscle have glacially slow growth? Same reason primary cardiac neoplasms are so rare; it wasn't until studies in the last few years anyone had identified cardiac cell replacement at all. It'd make sense that it's the slowest to break down. The rest of Ouchi's body was destroying old cells per usual; the problem was that the mechanism to create new ones was nearly gone, so there was no replacement. Heart's just slow that way.


After sleeping on it, I am disappointed that Wendi didn't use the phrase "walking ghost phase," which is one of my favorite parts of horrifying myself about radiation poisoning.

 

[Catmannjew]

Hisashi Ouchi

Thank you, I have no excuse and it has been corrected.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Wake up Kiwi bros new wendigoon just dropped

I watched it and it was actually good. I knew of the case beforehand but not a lot of the fine details like Hisashi's relationship to the hospital's personnel as well as how his wife handled it. Hearing the efforts everyone put into keeping their spirits up and doing what they could to try and help Hisashi overcome this really makes it all the more heartbreaking.

I am also extremely happy and relieved that Wendi talked about the sensationalist Reddit-tier garbage that tried to warp the story into a tale about human experimentation as well as debunking that fake picture which turned out to be a completely different person suffering from severe burns.

It felt good watching Wendi tear that fake bullshit a new one with his mild-mannered and soft-spoken tone.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Wake up Kiwi bros new wendigoon just dropped

I disagree with Wendigoon about the morality. The family at least almost certainly had complete trust in the doctors to realize what's happening, but the doctors should have had let the guy die with honor the second it was clear that any recovery was impossible without a divine miracle (which was probably when they found out his genes were shot), prolonging his life afterwards is either unreasonably hopeful or cynical, and it's amazing that none of the experts there brought up this point

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

People who don’t know much about a hospital setting are usually surprised at what kind of crazy shit drugs can do with a body.
People are also almost taken aback by how brutal high acuity treatment can be. Vents are extremely painful for example, but it's either that or not breathing. Medical personnel's job is to keep you alive and hopefully fix you, and they would prefer that you are comfortable, but that is sometimes not an option. Same thing with CPR, it's very common to break ribs with CPR but it's better than dying so we do CPR in an emergency.

I disagree with Wendigoon about the morality. The family at least almost certainly had complete trust in the doctors to realize what's happening, but the doctors should have had let the guy die with honor the second it was clear that any recovery was impossible without a divine miracle (which was probably when they found out his genes were shot), prolonging his life afterwards is either unreasonably hopeful or cynical, and it's amazing that none of the experts there brought up this point

I get the feeling that there are some cultural differences between America's view on that and Japan's. Either way, it's hard for me to fault the doctors here because it did seem like Hisashi wanted to try as hard as he could to live, and that's a very hard situation to be in if you're providing care for the guy with his family right next to you.
Either way, that was a brutal story.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I get the feeling that there are some cultural differences between America's view on that and Japan's. Either way, it's hard for me to fault the doctors here because it did seem like Hisashi wanted to try as hard as he could to live, and that's a very hard situation to be in if you're providing care for the guy with his family right next to you.

That's another issue I had, it's not clear if the doctors actually told Hisashi that, at best, he'd live a few years until dying from cancer or other diseases, and that he would have to spend the rest of his life in quarantine.

 

[Catmannjew]

He asked apparently about cancer. While it was in passing in the video, I would love to know how that went. I would assume that he knew that was a risk henceforth why he asked. I think everyone from the family to the doctors knew how it would end.

What it sounds like they were doing was fighting against morale as well. His wife was pivotal in this. One of her comments after they moved into the bed to rotate him got me. How he looked like a robot.

If he stopped fighting especially early on then he would have died sooner. It sounded like he had a largely strong support system. The time everyone stopped looking for a moment, he does in whatever capacity let go and is brought back with extensive life saving measures. I disagreed with that but I get it.

 

[Exterminatus]

He asked apparently about cancer. While it was in passing in the video, I would love to know how that went. I would assume that he knew that was a risk henceforth why he asked. I think everyone from the family to the doctors knew how it would end.

What it sounds like they were doing was fighting against morale as well. His wife was pivotal in this. One of her comments after they moved into the bed to rotate him got me. How he looked like a robot.

If he stopped fighting especially early on then he would have died sooner. It sounded like he had a largely strong support system. The time everyone stopped looking for a moment, he does in whatever capacity let go and is brought back with extensive life saving measures. I disagreed with that but I get it.

The poor bastard was only 35, with his wife and son, it really sounds like he wanted to live for them. That's far too young to leave your family behind to fend for themselves. It's not mentioned in the video, but I hope his wife and son were able to live good lives after he died. And I do feel rather sorry for the hospital staff too, it really seemed like they did their best to try to save him, I'd imagine that's one of the worst parts of the job and to have such an insane thing laid at their feet with how fucked up the guy was from the radiation poisoning.

 

[Aunt Carol]

And I do feel rather sorry for the hospital staff too, it really seemed like they did their best to try to save him, I'd imagine that's one of the worst parts of the job and to have such an insane thing laid at their feet with how fucked up the guy was from the radiation poisoning.

There's a Japanese-language documentary with English subtitles, just called Tokaimura Nuclear Accident IIRC, where they interview some of the staff. I think it was on Vimeo or one of the other brand-x video sites.

I know "moral injury" gets thrown around a lot, but it does wear people out to be the hands that cause the suffering, even when you can tell yourself that the family chose this. The patient eventually dies, the family leaves, and the staff turns the room over for the next patient. Hopefully not futile care this time, but the family attached to the new patient doesn't know any of the things that the family who just left learned; how could they? Another patient pays with the same pain, over and over again.

 

[You gain Brouzouf]

Until this point, of all the painful deaths I've learned of, I always thought the torture and murder of Junko furuta was the worst and most drawn out

I get so angry just thinking about this situation.
In one of Wendigoon's iceberg videos he mentions this and refuses to talk about it because it's just too cruel and fucked up.
I looked it up after that and regretted it. Of course th efirst video I found talking about it was Plagued Moth which only made things worse.
That little bit of respect Wendigoon showed both for the situation and his audience gave me a decent amount of respect for him. He recognized that it wasn't just content to be milked even though talking about some of the most fucked up extended torture ever inflicted upon a person (hopefully) would not be out of place in his catalog.

 

[Hepativore]

Man, don't quote me but doesn't cardiac muscle have glacially slow growth? Same reason primary cardiac neoplasms are so rare; it wasn't until studies in the last few years anyone had identified cardiac cell replacement at all. It'd make sense that it's the slowest to break down. The rest of Ouchi's body was destroying old cells per usual; the problem was that the mechanism to create new ones was nearly gone, so there was no replacement. Heart's just slow that way.

As cardiac muscle lacks any sort of immature "stem cells" it had long been theorized that cannot regenerate at all, and only recently has new evidence arisen to contradict this.

Because cardiomyocytes proliferate at such a slow rate, in most cases, the heart just says "fuck it!" and applies a quick patch of scar tissue if they are damaged. As cardiomyocytes typically last for the life of the individual like spinal neurons do, I imagine that the rate of cellular turnover in these areas of Ouchi is minimal.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

As cardiac muscle lacks any sort of immature "stem cells" it had long been theorized that cannot regenerate at all, and only recently has new evidence arisen to contradict this.

Because cardiomyocytes proliferate at such a slow rate, in most cases, the heart just says "fuck it!" and applies a quick patch of scar tissue if they are damaged. As cardiomyocytes typically last for the life of the individual like spinal neurons do, I imagine that the rate of cellular turnover in these areas of Ouchi is minimal.

Get your science gobblity gook away from my sentimentals.

Ouchi's heart never gave up and his wife and kid deserve to remember him that way.

 

[Pokemon Conquistador]

There's a Japanese-language documentary with English subtitles, just called Tokaimura Nuclear Accident IIRC, where they interview some of the staff. I think it was on Vimeo or one of the other brand-x video sites.

I know "moral injury" gets thrown around a lot, but it does wear people out to be the hands that cause the suffering, even when you can tell yourself that the family chose this. The patient eventually dies, the family leaves, and the staff turns the room over for the next patient. Hopefully not futile care this time, but the family attached to the new patient doesn't know any of the things that the family who just left learned; how could they? Another patient pays with the same pain, over and over again.

Here's the documentary on Youtube with subtitles that you have to turn on:

Contains lots of primary interviews with the caregivers, who still look traumatized by their experience.

The fact that the man with the most painful death in the universe was named "Ouchi" seems proof that the Cosmos has a bastardly sense of humor. I hope the guy is resting in peace.