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RumblyTumbly said:
That isn't to say the P&B shorts don't have their problems. Throughout the whole show, it feels like these people only understood Animanaics on a surface level, and not the small touches that really made it work. With P&B, they seem to completely miss the mark that Brain is supposed to be the one that screws up all the plans, not Pinky. Its set up to where it looks like Pinky is the screw up, but then Brain's ego, underestimation of Pinky, or lack of understanding of something that Pinky gets ultimately leads to the plan failing. But the endings to the shorts tend to be "Pinky screw up! HAR HAR" and that's that.
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I kind of disagree. Brain's robot screws him over because he made something smarter than him that realized that Brain was the weak link keeping it from taking over the world. He fucked up in the McCarthy episode because he pissed off the secretary until she started intentionally digging up dirt on him. I feel like in most of the episodes, it's either "Brain has a good idea, but fucks it up", or "Pinky got him the opportunity to succeed, Pinky fucks him out of it since the idea wasn't good to begin with", like the first episode. I'm also not done with it yet, but I think it's not too far off in that respect.

I don't mind some of the political commentary, as the whole "LOL! Trump Orange And Talk Weird" joke with the cyclops is something they would have done in the 90's anyway, and they jab at political correctness in the opening/with Dot too. Someone else earlier in the thread said they were playing that part straight in the opening, and I don't think that's the case as much as it is a jab at the kind of people who would complain that the opening changed lines from the original, or be mad at the show for having modern celebrities because it's not more 90's pandering. I can see them, especially in the second season, running with Dot as an overly excited but woefully undereducated activist, kind of like Lisa Simpson. The "bun buyback" thing made me want to drill a hole in my skull, though. I don't even fully disagree with some of the points they try to make, it's just that it feels like when Last Week Tonight or Daily Show try to do a "kid's book" about how Trump has the big gay, and then it just sells to 30-something year old liberals with no kids. It's smug and uninspired.

I'm still enjoying it overall, though. It makes me want to go back and rewatch the original, but in a fond way, not a "this sucks so bad I need the original as a palette cleanser" way.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
So I'm about half way through Animanaics' revival.

Are the Warner shorts and P&B shorts written by different people? I haven't bothered looking it up, but it feels like two groups of people working on different shorts.

Almost all the problems I have with this revival are in the Warner shorts. The obvious political slant, the obvious pandering, the lame jokes, and obnoxious forced humor for spegs. It doesn't feel like The Warners most of the time, but rather like they've been taken over by pod people. And even when it looks like a short is going well, they do something to muck it up.

The Pinky and The Brain shorts on the other hand absolutely feel like P&B. Maybe its Brain's sarcastic delivery and just the natural chemistry between the two characters, but those shorts at least feel like they are in the spirit of the original. Not every joke lands (There was a Leroy Jenkins reference that made me groan like no other) and I won't say they are as good as the old cartoons, but they at least feel like competent successors. Even when it gets "political" with a McCarthy episode and a Edward Snowden episode, it still feels like classic Pinky and the Brain while the Warners feels like preaching to the choir propaganda for kids and moronic adults.

That isn't to say the P&B shorts don't have their problems. Throughout the whole show, it feels like these people only understood Animanaics on a surface level, and not the small touches that really made it work. With P&B, they seem to completely miss the mark that Brain is supposed to be the one that screws up all the plans, not Pinky. Its set up to where it looks like Pinky is the screw up, but then Brain's ego, underestimation of Pinky, or lack of understanding of something that Pinky gets ultimately leads to the plan failing. But the endings to the shorts tend to be "Pinky screw up! HAR HAR" and that's that. Still, they are the superior shorts over the Warner siblings shorts, which I have come to dread as I continue watching this...I'm only on episode 7.
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One of the brain's plans should be going trans and crying whenever someone didn't do what he demanded
 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
Did he appear in the new thing?

If they didn't do any new Good Idea/Bad Ideas, that's definitely a major misstep. Tom Bodett's still available.
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I think the only actual character to show up in more than a brief cameo was Chicken Boo, and they ruined him by making him talk, I believe.
 
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Helvetica Standard said:
I kind of disagree. Brain's robot screws him over because he made something smarter than him that realized that Brain was the weak link keeping it from taking over the world. He fucked up in the McCarthy episode because he pissed off the secretary until she started intentionally digging up dirt on him. I feel like in most of the episodes, it's either "Brain has a good idea, but fucks it up", or "Pinky got him the opportunity to succeed, Pinky fucks him out of it since the idea wasn't good to begin with", like the first episode. I'm also not done with it yet, but I think it's not too far off in that respect.

I don't mind some of the political commentary, as the whole "LOL! Trump Orange And Talk Weird" joke with the cyclops is something they would have done in the 90's anyway, and they jab at political correctness in the opening/with Dot too. Someone else earlier in the thread said they were playing that part straight in the opening, and I don't think that's the case as much as it is a jab at the kind of people who would complain that the opening changed lines from the original, or be mad at the show for having modern celebrities because it's not more 90's pandering. I can see them, especially in the second season, running with Dot as an overly excited but woefully undereducated activist, kind of like Lisa Simpson. The "bun buyback" thing made me want to drill a hole in my skull, though. I don't even fully disagree with some of the points they try to make, it's just that it feels like when Last Week Tonight or Daily Show try to do a "kid's book" about how Trump has the big gay, and then it just sells to 30-something year old liberals with no kids. It's smug and uninspired.

I'm still enjoying it overall, though. It makes me want to go back and rewatch the original, but in a fond way, not a "this sucks so bad I need the original as a palette cleanser" way.
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I guess people need something to be mad at, even an innocent reboot.
 
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Oddly, of all the Trump jokes the new Animaniacs did, the ugly cyclops monster was the funniest one. Great design, the imitation was funny...it actually wasn't that bad compared to the rest.

That Russia episode though...woof! That was just downright embarrassing and a few years too late.

And that Manspreading episode was cringey AF.
 
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Private Pyle said:
The sad part is people are just going to hate it for the simple crime of being a reboot.
I don’t get it.
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I will never understand actually Teen Titans.

Being a 80's succesful comic who had a reboot in the 2000's in the same industry called Teen Titans Go!, and using the same comics as base (or something like that) to the cartoon that renamed again without the Go!. And again another cartoon as rebooted with the Go! word and everybody hate it because it's so "dumb" (and i can understand only that part of the entire situation).

Can anyone help me in this? I only can remember Jinx being bald in the original and rebooted as a emo/punk girl in the Go! version and subsequent in the 2003 cartoon version. Oh, and destroying the Amazon concept in Starfire/Blackfire too.
 
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Private Pyle said:
The sad part is people are just going to hate it for the simple crime of being a reboot.
I don’t get it.
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Prophetic Spirit said:
I will never understand actually Teen Titans.

Being a 80's succesful comic who had a reboot in the 2000's in the same industry called Teen Titans Go!, and using the same comics as base (or something like that) to the cartoon that renamed again without the Go!. And again another cartoon as rebooted with the Go! word and everybody hate it because it's so "dumb" (and i can understand only that part of the entire situation).

Can anyone help me in this? I only can remember Jinx being bald in the original and rebooted as a emo/punk girl in the Go! version and subsequent in the 2003 cartoon version. Oh, and destroying the Amazon concept in Starfire/Blackfire too.
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I am lost....
How are you quoting me when that line comes from @Private Pyle
 
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I am lost....
How are you quoting me when that line comes from @Private Pyle
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What? I actually quoted Private Pyle, i don't edit the headers in this type of forum (since you need toggle BB code). I'm gonna edit that anyway.
The entire thing about Teen Titans is strange, likely rebooting the same thing to newer generations. But the working is literally worse; you know about Teen Titans Go! is literally flanderization. Although She-Ra is more technically a Remake more than a reboot.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
What? I actually quoted Private Pyle, i don't edit the headers in this type of forum (since you need toggle BB code). I'm gonna edit that anyway.
The entire thing about Teen Titans is strange, likely rebooting the same thing to newer generations. But the working is literally worse; you know about Teen Titans Go! is literally flanderization. Although She-Ra is more technically a Remake more than a reboot.
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It was weird. I got a notification that you quoted me and @Private Pyle’s post was said to be mine. A glitch must have taken place, should have taken a screen shot as it is changed now.
 
Crescent Fresh said:
It’s the same exact thing that happened with both She-Ra and Thundercats. No one really liked them, but 52 is a bit of a “magic number” as far as these things go due to syndication and “content library” stuff, so shows both good and bad tend to reach it before stopping.
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I thought it was generally 65, i.e. 13 weeks of 5 weekday episodes, at least for children's cartoons. It isn't unheard of I suppose for 52 to work too. It seems more common to start with a run of 65 and then maybe fill it out to 100, a la many of the original Disney Afternoon shows.
Private Pyle said:
The sad part is people are just going to hate it for the simple crime of being a reboot.
I don’t get it.
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People have been disappointed by so many crappy reboots that the immediate assumption is "oh, well, this is going to suck."
 
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AnOminous said:
People have been disappointed by so many crappy reboots that the immediate assumption is "oh, well, this is going to suck."
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I mean, they haven’t been all bad. Especially compared to the original works put out.
 
AnOminous said:
I thought it was generally 65, i.e. 13 weeks of 5 weekday episodes, at least for children's cartoons. It isn't unheard of I suppose for 52 to work too. It seems more common to start with a run of 65 and then maybe fill it out to 100, a la many of the original Disney Afternoon shows.

People have been disappointed by so many crappy reboots that the immediate assumption is "oh, well, this is going to suck."
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It used to be 65, however people realized that kids won’t care if they squeeze a fifth repeat into the year.

Of course, that was back when repeats were an important thing, however it appears to have stuck itself to streaming animation just as well.
 
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