Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Oh gee. I wonder what’s going to happen. I am so on edge.


Also, Daphne’s parents are criminals.

 

[soy_king]

There's a huge difference between dumb but enjoyable hackwork (like much of Hanna Barbera's back catalog) and absolutely insufferable wokeshit that makes you want to shoot the television.

Kinda ironic how shows that literally advertised cigarettes to children or were just glorified toy commercials are somehow more entertaining than modern day woke bullshit. Hell, even Captain Planet has its charm, and that was literal hippy environmentalist propoaganda

 

[AnOminous]

It's a deliberate social current by corporations that tries to frame nostalgia as bad so you wouldn't watch anything old (which brings less investors) and don't begin to wonder if various social steps were a mistake, all while using the double think of marketing their entire appeal on your memories of the times they were soulless.

If nostalgia is bad then why don't they come up with something new instead of feeding off the corpses of decades-old franchises like maggots? Nostalgia is the only reason anyone would watch a Scooby-Doo spinoff in the first place.

Kinda ironic how shows that literally advertised cigarettes to children or were just glorified toy commercials are somehow more entertaining than modern day woke bullshit. Hell, even Captain Planet has its charm, and that was literal hippy environmentalist propoaganda

It came across as somehow more sincere, even with its one-dimensional villains and dumb black and white morality.

And yes, literal toy commercials had more soul than this shit.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Hell, even Captain Planet has its charm, and that was literal hippy environmentalist propoaganda

Being honest, I am surprised Captain Planet has not had a return yet. The 2010s were filled with him just lingering from his weird spot in CN Punch Time Explosion, to his O.K. K.O. Crossover and CN actually making merchandise for him. Even if it is all a meme, Captain Planet has gotten quite a bit of popularity.

Given that CN is pushing for educational shows again, you would think he would be an obvious pick, either to make woke-tard shit or a genuine good environmental show. Then again, CN isn’t using Time Squad, the obvious edutainment series for their block, so maybe they are just bad at this.

 

[Mr. ShadowCreek]

Being honest, I am surprised Captain Planet has not had a return yet. The 2010s were filled with him just lingering from his weird spot in CN Punch Time Explosion, to his O.K. K.O. Crossover and CN actually making merchandise for him. Even if it is all a meme, Captain Planet has gotten quite a bit of popularity.

Given that CN is pushing for educational shows again, you would think he would be an obvious pick, either to make woke-tard shit or a genuine good environmental show. Then again, CN isn’t using Time Squad, the obvious edutainment series for their block, so maybe they are just bad at this.

I could easily seem some sort of Trump-like villain in a reboot. They would be a powerful billionaire dictator who uses pollution and mean tweets to fight.

Given how divided everyone is it sounds like it would be an opportunity to do a woke version of Libertys Kids. A Civil War sequel where the main cast are BLM and LBGT despite those not existing yet, and the Confederates are as bad as the Nazis.

 

[skykiii]

Oh gee. I wonder what’s going to happen. I am so on edge.
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Also, Daphne’s parents are criminals.
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Did they seriously have Daphne's parents dressing as Captain Caveman? Is this show trying to sink other Hanna-Barbera properties with it?

Being honest, I am surprised Captain Planet has not had a return yet. The 2010s were filled with him just lingering from his weird spot in CN Punch Time Explosion, to his O.K. K.O. Crossover and CN actually making merchandise for him. Even if it is all a meme, Captain Planet has gotten quite a bit of popularity.

Given that CN is pushing for educational shows again, you would think he would be an obvious pick, either to make woke-tard shit or a genuine good environmental show. Then again, CN isn’t using Time Squad, the obvious edutainment series for their block, so maybe they are just bad at this.

I recall reading once (but don't take this as gospel) that apparently a lot of the people who run and own Cartoon Network and its associates actually hate Captain Planet with a passion, which is why it gets treated the way it does.

Captain Planet's current situation is like if Metroid Other M's character assassination of Samus wasn't the result of incompetence, but instead deliberate malice.

OFF THE VELMA TOPIC AGAIN

So on the last page I linked to my favorite animated movie.

Afterwards I found out there was a fanmade HD remaster on Youtube of the Flemish version.

I have a question.... how do I rip the English version's audio and splice it with the higher-quality video from the Flemish uploads? I'm on Linux Mint.

(Also where can I get a crash course in fixing audio because the old dub was VHS only and the hiss is very noticable)?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I recall reading once (but don't take this as gospel) that apparently a lot of the people who run and own Cartoon Network and its associates actually hate Captain Planet with a passion, which is why it gets treated the way it does.

Captain Planet's current situation is like if Metroid Other M's character assassination of Samus wasn't the result of incompetence, but instead deliberate malice.

Unpopular opinion, maybe, but Captain Planet really does deserve better. Regardless of thoughts on its politics, it is an important piece of CN’s history given that Ted Turner created him.

I would genuinely love to see a sincere revitalize on the character, but given his reputation and current writers, I know that won’t happen. Either you get a non-woke that makes an insufferable Captain Planet hate series, or a woke that makes an insufferable Climate Change series in addition to the bashing.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Kinda ironic how shows that literally advertised cigarettes to children or were just glorified toy commercials are somehow more entertaining than modern day woke bullshit. Hell, even Captain Planet has its charm.

What's the worst you can say about a cheesy Saturday morning cartoon from 1976 or a toy commercial cartoon from 1986? The animation is cheap? The plots are just whatever the writers can think of based on what little lore the toy companies put on the boxes? Really those shortcomings can seem almost quaint, charming even when compared to all the garbage modern cartoons have. teen lesbo romance designed to pander to Troon coomers, underage nudity, incest, needless gore and tactless gross out. I now know how older boomers in the 80s/90s felt when music began to Amp up the sex and violence and they longed for the days of why do fools fall in love and the twist.

Also, Daphne’s parents are criminals.
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Hey at least it's a man and a woman (I think) huh...the characters birth parents are a straight couple but also a pair of hardened criminals yet an adoptive same sex couple are authority figures (alibiet very stupid and bumbling ones) geeeeee why on earth would the writers put THAT in their woke af show hmmmm?

 

[skykiii]

Unpopular opinion, maybe, but Captain Planet really does deserve better. Regardless of thoughts on its politics, it is an important piece of CN’s history given that Ted Turner created him.

I would genuinely love to see a sincere revitalize on the character, but given his reputation and current writers, I know that won’t happen. Either you get a non-woke that makes an insufferable Captain Planet hate series, or a woke that makes an insufferable Climate Change series in addition to the bashing.

I'm gonna be honest, yeah Captain Planet is a lot of fun. Some of the environmentalism bugs me (I still don't get why Sly Sludge's plan of "dump trash in a volcano" wouldn't actually work) and it sometimes has the problem like in the episode I just referenced where the "villain" actually WAS trying to find a legitimate solution and thought he was doing good... but by the end he's still treated as evil (to be fair this is also a problem the legendary Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates suffers from).

And sometimes the lore gets interesting, like when an alien guy shows up who turns out was the previous "Spirit of the Earth." Which kinda makes you wonder about how this whole "Spirit of the Earth" thing even works since I assumed Gaia was literally the planet's soul.

That alien character--Zarm--incidentally is interesting because one of his episodes involves him giving the Planeteers these gauntlets that are basically just more powerful version of their rings... but they wind up going drunk with power and Ma-Ti needs to talk them into dialing it back a notch because they're becoming literal ecoterrorists.

That's... kind of amazing. Apparently at the time, the people making Capt. Planet (I will not say CP for what should be obvious reasons) had a sort of balanced view and even knew that their beliefs could be taken too far and warned against that.

Actually, classic cartoons in general were good about that. I recall episodes of shows like Bravestarr, She-Ra, or many others where the heroes were concerned their actions would make them just as bad as the people they fight. Which, of course, you would never see in today's cartoons which have more of a "no compromise, no surrender" attitude.

 

[Fr@nkrnstein]

Did they seriously have Daphne's parents dressing as Captain Caveman? Is this show trying to sink other Hanna-Barbera properties with it?


I recall reading once (but don't take this as gospel) that apparently a lot of the people who run and own Cartoon Network and its associates actually hate Captain Planet with a passion, which is why it gets treated the way it does.

Captain Planet's current situation is like if Metroid Other M's character assassination of Samus wasn't the result of incompetence, but instead deliberate malice.

OFF THE VELMA TOPIC AGAIN

So on the last page I linked to my favorite animated movie.

Afterwards I found out there was a fanmade HD remaster on Youtube of the Flemish version.

I have a question.... how do I rip the English version's audio and splice it with the higher-quality video from the Flemish uploads? I'm on Linux Mint.

(Also where can I get a crash course in fixing audio because the old dub was VHS only and the hiss is very noticable)?

I've seen that Flemish animated film you mentioned, greatest thing I've ever seen, John is the dutch equivalent to Gaston and I love it

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I don't see Captain Planet making a return until Ted Turner's immediate death if someone out there really wants a revival. And even then, I don't trust anyone in this day and age to do it in the same spirit as Ted without going all politically preachy (more-so than it already is as an environmental PSA).

 

[The Nothingness]

I don't see Captain Planet making a return until Ted Turner's immediate death if someone out there really wants a revival. And even then, I don't trust anyone in this day and age to do it in the same spirit as Ted without going all politically preachy (more-so than it already is as an environmental PSA).

Plus a Captain Planet revival won't have top-tier quotes like in the original.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I don't see Captain Planet making a return until Ted Turner's immediate death if someone out there really wants a revival. And even then, I don't trust anyone in this day and age to do it in the same spirit as Ted without going all politically preachy (more-so than it already is as an environmental PSA).

If it ever did comeback, it will most likely be a meta-series more than anything. Every episode, even if it talks about environmental conservation, will just be about how Planet sucks. He has been a whipped character for years, and it would take a very passionate writer to break that trend.

If he were to come back, I personally feel like the best direction would be to make it a Cartoonito environmentalist / earth science show. Drop a lot of the Superhero motif and have Planet be a mentor to the Planeteers, teaching them about the environment and what they could do to protect it. Take a page from the Magic School Bus and adapt the format.

 

[starborn427614]

You could easily make a Captain Planet remake. Just lean harder into the powers aspect, give it some of that interpersonal drama the kids/kidults love and bob's your uncle.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So there’s a plot twist on Velma that her mom was doing experiments for the government to “switch people’s brains”.

I think I know how they’re going to try and explain Scooby.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

So there’s a plot twist on Velma that her mom was doing experiments for the government to “switch people’s brains”.

I think I know how they’re going to try and explain Scooby.

Calling it now, there will be two experiments. The success will be Scooby, while the failure is Scrappy. The failure will be beaten brutally as they steal the Hot Topic dungeon joke from Drawn Together.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Calling it now, there will be two experiments. The success will be Scooby, while the failure is Scrappy. The failure will be beaten brutally as they steal the Hot Topic dungeon joke from Drawn Together.

Gigi could end up still being Scooby.

 

[Maverick Vile]

There's a huge difference between dumb but enjoyable hackwork (like much of Hanna Barbera's back catalog) and absolutely insufferable wokeshit that makes you want to shoot the television.

My point is that every jump in the medium introduces hacks who use the tech to produce talentless schlock. Flintstones writing isn't spiteful, but its art and animation direction is just as lazy as, if not more so, than Velma.

Captain Planet's current situation is like if Metroid Other M's character assassination of Samus wasn't the result of incompetence, but instead deliberate malice.

Funny you say that. While Yoshio Sakamoto was clearly invested in the character of Samus Aran, fans got the distinct impression there was some spite going into the production of Other M. The theory is Sakamoto really hated the Metroid Prime series Retro Studios made (particularly the amount of praise it garnered), didn't care how all the Metroid fans had characterized Samus over the years, and Other M was intended to be a deliberate course correction on that. Apparently all those years being a competent bounty hunter Samus really just wanted a domineering asshole to tell her what to do the entire time up to and including deciding what safety equipment she's allowed to use. I recall one interview where he said something really creepy about Samus having a beauty mark somewhere that only he knows about, so it's obvious he cares a lot about Samus, but I really got the impression he wanted to show everyone the Samus he had built up in his head because everyone else just didn't "get it." Now that the blowback has died down from Other M people are taking up for Sakamoto saying, "He never said he hated the Prime series," but the way he would go out of his way to isolate the Prime series as "self-contained" really came off as "Oh, yeah, we like it, but we're not going to be going back to it in any way." The way he talks about Samus during promotional stuff for Other M it really feels like he regards Samus as his waifu, and Adam really feels like a fan-fiction self-insert, so I can't imagine him not being a least a little jealous about Retro having a turn with her.

So on the last page I linked to my favorite animated movie.

Afterwards I found out there was a fanmade HD remaster on Youtube of the Flemish version.

I have a question.... how do I rip the English version's audio and splice it with the higher-quality video from the Flemish uploads? I'm on Linux Mint.

(Also where can I get a crash course in fixing audio because the old dub was VHS only and the hiss is very noticable)?

Ok, I don't know if it'll work on Linux, but Audacity is open source software, so probably. I checked the video for the English dub and it looks pretty fun, I'll have to give a watch, but I definitely hear that old audio hiss. That's actually pretty simple to get rid of, there's an option in Audacity for removing noise. You'll have to sample a part of the audio that's only the hiss, which may be troublesome, but it sounds like the hiss during the black screen at the beginning of the film is the same hiss that permeates the entire video file. In order to rip the audio in the first place, though, you'll have to install a library so Audacity can upload the audio from an mp4, which is what you'll have if you download the Flemish version from your link. Then it's just a matter of syncing the video track with the audio track, which could be tricky if they edited mouth flaps to fit English audio, but considering how old this is, they probably just dubbed directly over the video file, which probably explains the unique soundtrack compared to the original. For that, you'll need some video editing software for Linux, which I'm not familiar with. Most of them are probably garbage, but with luck you'll only have to be able to edit one audio track layer and one video track layer to make the procedure work, so finding the right software shouldn't be too hard.

I noticed you wanted to redub the English voicework with the Flemish sountrack, but doing that would be next to impossible, unfortunately. You'd basically have to do the noise removal for the soundtrack on the English, which would require you to have the soundtracks for the English dub in order to get a noise profile to remove, which I very much doubt the original soundtrack was ever put out on its own, much less floating around youtube in a searchable format, then you'd have to procure the Flemish original sountrack, either through finding the isolated soundtrack (again, doubtful), or isolating the Flemish voices from the soundtrack (next to impossible unless you had the original Flemish isolated voice lines, and even then it'd be much more difficult than just normal noise removal).

 

[A Grey Cat]

Calling it now, there will be two experiments. The success will be Scooby, while the failure is Scrappy. The failure will be beaten brutally as they steal the Hot Topic dungeon joke from Drawn Together.

Calling it now vellmas mom Is the killer and the murders were failed attempts to perfect the mi d swapping experiment.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Harley and Ivy are another modern comics wanting to take the characters in a new direction. I don't think a Harley redemption is that much of a stretch. Other than Victor, Batman always seemed the kindest towards her in BTAS and they played around with her going straight twice. The obvious end to her story was leaving the Joker, the problem is that no one figured out the after to that. The only answers are either 'be gay do crimes', become a hero, or become a wagie cuck with porn offers.

Debatably they did do the second, since the Batman Beyond more or less confirms she is free, a pensioner and deeply disappointed in her criminal descendants.

To the Captain Planet debate I think there's an attitude in current thought that it is too tricky to recreate and easier to parody because of the puns, the hilarious characters both villains and heroes and similar. Also the fact that large corporations are basically never the heroes likely makes funding hard to obtain. Personally I'd rather they remade The Gnomes if they want an environmental message or even the Raccoons but I do think people who actually like Captain Planet could theoretically do a good modern version. Hell if you wanted to do it without explicitly calling it environmental issues Pirates of Dark Water would work. Unfortunately there is no western studio at the moment I would want within a mile of a Dark Water reboot.

As an aside Secret Galaxy just did a video on the Peter Pan and the Pirates series (the Tim Curry Captain Hook one), while he is pure Youtube fodder some of the stuff he brought up in it particularly the origins of Fox are interesting and make me want to learn more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ueXIWyT7xE