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If you want to use a simplistic art style, then do what Spectacular Spider-Man did, and use the simplistic style to make action scenes feel more dynamic.
This is what makes Spectacular one of the few cartoons to make it’s relatively simple style work. It took it’s relatively low budget, and rather than use it on making more detailed designs, they made the animation and fights feel a lot smoother at the expense of the style. As opposed to the 90s series where all the action felt like it was just ‘jump around and shoot webs.’
I mean, just look at this
This is how you use simpler designs.
 
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guess what....
 
UglyOldJafar said:
Even then, I watched some clips of Thundercats again. That show was still steps ahead animation wise than lets say He-Man when it came to drawing.
Most of these animators nowadays shall just shut up, when in reality they are just lazy storyboarders who will never leave their breeding ground of California, while some poor idiot in South Korea has to animate the stuff for less than they have to pay for their coffee
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At least the Japanese guys knew how to have fun...
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Jewelsmakerguy said:
You also got to remember, He-Man was made by Filmation, who deserve almost every criticism they get for their animation.
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If only because Lou didn't want to lay off half his staff and get TMS to work on the show instead (doing Zorro was probably too much for Lou to bare telling the truth).

And this gets me thinking, how would these self-entitled idiots fare in any 80s production? I bet they'd whine about having to draw more than just a simple blob.
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Probably (Baby Boomers certainly got whipped).

Steamboat_Bill said:
The thing is, Filmation had a policy of never outsourcing their animation, and that's largely why their cartoons looked the way they did. Doing the animation in America simply isn't profitable anymore; this is why cartoons have to get outsourced to South Korea.
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Lou's studio was the last standout in that respect.

Jewelsmakerguy said:
But even when it was all being done in America, their cartoons felt like a step behind even compared to H-B's offerings (which were pretty limited in their own right).

Sourcing animation to Asia and Australia just ensured that they'd never get a chance to catch up.
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It didn't help when studios didn't want to deal with the animation union as well, reason for animator strikes between 1979 and '82.
Chapter from "Drawing The Line: The Untold Story of The Animation Unions from Bosko to Bart Simpson" by Tom Sito
 
IdaRita said:
So famous animation creators and some less famous TV directors are having a voice in Thundercats Roar topic and while I agree to some arguments (like Lauren Faust one how action cartoons can be just not profitable)... I see more complaining about complaints that actual complaints. It's not the first time cartoon reboot got received poorly in the internet, yet it's first time most of industry reacted. That show doesn't look good yet every more important animator is saying "it's amazing". Same with serious youtubers and other "stars". Also, if you like the orginal you have bad taste because 80s cartoons are now a devil. And you can point out a similatity in modern cartoons style because it's bad argument.
Once again, I understand cartoons are expensive to make and style is sometimes dictated. I understand more complicated art styles are more expensive. I also understand that animators have to do shows they don't visually like to make for living (I'm one of them). And that Toon Boom software dictates some rules.
But people CAN complain about another Cartoon Network comedy roundy style reboot.
I really haven't seen any "death threats" and other things people claim this backlash is. Some satire pictures and maybe too emotional complaints, thats all.
Like I said, instead of 90s kids we now have people saying you have to be blinded by nostalgia to dislike reboot and BTW your childhood sucked.
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How many of these guys are you willingly to bet really hated TTG?
 
Speaking of spider-man, I didn't realize they did another new series last year until just a couple days back.

I like the breaks from the standard early spider-man canon to adapt some newer stories. Also no more Drake Bell.

How's everybody else feel?
 
speedcore said:
Can anyone give some recommendations like the film Felidae?
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There aren't too many films quite like Felidae unless you go for something on a similar nature like Watership Down and The Plague Dogs. Both films were adaptations of novels by Richard Adams and take on a very dark, violent atmosphere with it's characters and their plight. Felidae was also based on a novel that was told in a crime drama fashion. I thought the film did an excellent job on the book's premise (there are sequels that were written, but I haven't heard too many good things about 'em).

Something along the lines of animals being tested on, there was Osamu Tezuka's "Bagi, The Monster of Mighty Nature", which tell of the titular Bagi, a mountain lion who was the subject of a weird genetic engineering program that caused her to take on human-like posture and form. It was a TV movie produced in the mid 80's and got something of a cult following, if only because of "furry" potential with the character despite the movie's message on humanity going too far in playing God (Tezuka always has to stick that into his work).
http://cartoonresearch.com/index.ph...pecials-6-baghi-the-monster-of-mighty-nature/
 
I hadn't seen Felidae before tonight. I find it interesting that it's an animated film produced primarily for a German audience but, reading the credits, it was actually a multinational production, with animation work done in Germany, England, Canada, Ireland, and South Korea.

As for similar animated films, well, yeah, Watership Down and Plague Dogs are the obvious ones, as Trilby said. I guess also The Secret of NIMH for having animal characters that became intelligent but a bit malformed from experiments?

Ya know, outside the tiny "animated movies showing horrible things happening to animals" subgenre, the banter between Francis and Bluebeard reminded me a bit of Itsuki Koizumi bouncing existential philosophy ideas off Kyon in Haruhi Suzumiya.
 
sasazuka said:
I hadn't seen Felidae before tonight. I find it interesting that it's an animated film produced primarily for a German audience but, reading the credits, it was actually a multinational production, with animation work done in Germany, England, Canada, Ireland, and South Korea.
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That's just how they were in the 90's. They produced sevearal Asterix animated features that way like Asterix Conquers America and Asterix & The Vikings (themselves, based on a French comic, with animation often farmed out to other European countries, also being animated specifically to an English script). It really comes down to money and who could do the work. I'm sure getting international companies/partners involve helps to cut costs.

As for similar animated films, well, yeah, Watership Down and Plague Dogs are the obvious ones, as Trilby said. I guess also The Secret of NIMH for having animal characters that became intelligent but a bit malformed from experiments?
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Probably an easier film to get into (animals aren't as photo-realistic as they go in those other two).

Ya know, outside the tiny "animated movies showing horrible things happening to animals" subgenre, the banter between Francis and Bluebeard reminded me a bit of Itsuki Koizumi bouncing existential philosophy ideas off Kyon in Haruhi Suzumiya.
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I bet. Felidae's also interesting for the way they threw in a sex scene like that, yet steer clear from depicting genitalia on any of these cats (I like to think they're being classy about it, unlike Martin Rosen and his anatomically correct mammals). Sometimes you don't need to show it I find (though I did like Ziebold's taste in art).
 
Matt Groening is making a new show on Netflix.
It looks like Futurama except fantasy instead of sci-fi
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Sigma said:
Matt Groening is making a new show on Netflix.
It looks like Futurama except fantasy instead of sci-fi
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http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/23/matt-groening-disenchantment/
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/05/disenchantment-matt-groening-netflix-release-date-1201967651/

Maybe it's just me, but I find it interesting that the protagonist of Groening's newest show is female. (Yeah, I know The Simpsons and Futurama had female characters alongside their male co-stars -- Marge and Lisa Simpson and Turanga Leela respectively.)
 
I wonder if it's just time for medieval-fantasy content, or I wonder how many creatives have been influenced by the recent boost in popularity that DnD has.

Harmonquest comes to mind, but I have seen other cartoons and comics suddenly be DnD-esque.
 
The real problem with the Thundercats Roar style is that they don't look like cat people at all.
 
Shifting gears a bit, here's a student-made short film that came out recently...
 
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