Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[NoonmanR]

Why did they give Garfield the Sonic the Hedgehog uni-eye, and how does the animation keep degrading even after being bought out by Nickelodeon.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

I thought this was a pretty random thing, but apparently they've been hinting at it for a while.

When your story centres on 20 something screw ups you aren't supposed to imitate but everyone born after 1995 did anyway.

 

[TVB]

Netflix Scott Pilgrim pulled a Kevin Smith’s He-Man.

It's not surprising. Let's face it, expectations for the new Scott Pilgrim Netflix series were low from the start

 

[Anonitolia]

None of you faggots could even bother to post a wikipedia summary of the plot before going full woe-is-us mode?


I don't know why they thought a murder mystery alternate retelling was a good idea after the travesty that was Velma, but i'll admit the premise has me intrigued. I feel it was pretty dishonest not to mention that it was an "alternate retelling" until damn near release day- unless I've not been looking in the right places and it was actually staring everyone in the face all along- and i'm already against this for that, but I can't say a murder mystery would be worse-off than the weird video game boss rush nostalgiawank the comics ended up being. They were good- don't get me wrong- but if O'Malley wanted to write a story about "cool people not being cool" as he claimed in his notes, having them engage in massive anime boss fights and travel through space and time via psychic powers was quite possibly the worst way to get across how they're all terrible people.

I don't doubt that this show still has those in it- it needs to pander to the fanbase if it wants to be successful, after all- but if there's more emphasis on the mystery of Scott's probably-not-permanent death then maybe there's a chance it'll be able to stick closer to that original thesis statement.

...maybe.
This is still current-year Netflix so I'm not expecting anything good, but there's a chance...?
^spoilers for a bunch of comic stuff and the plot blurb of the show

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

None of you faggots could even bother to post a wikipedia summary of the plot before going full woe-is-us mode?
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I don't know why they thought a murder mystery alternate retelling was a good idea after the travesty that was Velma, but i'll admit the premise has me intrigued. I feel it was pretty dishonest not to mention that it was an "alternate retelling" until damn near release day- unless I've not been looking in the right places and it was actually staring everyone in the face all along- and i'm already against this for that, but I can't say a murder mystery would be worse-off than the weird video game boss rush nostalgiawank the comics ended up being. They were good- don't get me wrong- but if O'Malley wanted to write a story about "cool people not being cool" as he claimed in his notes, having them engage in massive anime boss fights and travel through space and time via psychic powers was quite possibly the worst way to get across how they're all terrible people.

I don't doubt that this show still has those in it- it needs to pander to the fanbase if it wants to be successful, after all- but if there's more emphasis on the mystery of Scott's probably-not-permanent death then maybe there's a chance it'll be able to stick closer to that original thesis statement.

...maybe.
This is still current-year Netflix so I'm not expecting anything good, but there's a chance...?
^spoilers for a bunch of comic stuff and the plot blurb of the show

The problem is that by the end of the series, it retroactively ruins the comic in its entirety, and it’s not an exaggeration.

Oh, you thought Scott had learned what a bad person he had been, grown and improved, and was ready to start being better? LOL NO, he goes back to the same he was at the start of the comic and becomes the main villain of the anime by going back in time and kidnapping his old self and making it look like he died. All character development he had in the books never actually happened, he learns nothing and gets defeated.

Because of course.

 

[Zellogi]

It's something I've explained a couple pages back and that Bill Murray only did this because he assumed that, when signing up for the first movie, it was written by Joel Coen, as in one of the Coen brothers, but was actually written by an unrelated Joel Cohen. It didn't take until the movie premiered in which he was invited in and he realized that it was indeed not written by one of the Coen brothers.

Honestly I just think the concept of a Garfield ‘Movie’ isn’t really something that could work properly. Garfield is too one dimensional and simple to really carry a whole epic movie about him, even with the vast amount of characters added. There’s little substance to a lazy and lasagna addicted cat. It may be great for a strip a show even games but a movie doesn't really fit Garfield’s scope as a character I feel.

 

[Anonitolia]

becomes the main villain of the anime by going back in time and kidnapping his old self and making it look like he died

what the fuck?

 

[TVB]

Honestly I just think the concept of a Garfield ‘Movie’ isn’t really something that could work properly. Garfield is too one dimensional and simple to really carry a whole epic movie about him, even with the vast amount of characters added. There’s little substance to a lazy and lasagna addicted cat. It may be great for a strip a show even games but a movie doesn't really fit Garfield’s scope as a character I feel.

It's one of the many examples of Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry being desperate

 

[Commander X]

The Garfield movie does not look like it was made by human hands. It looks like the work of AI. It gives off the feeling that no living, breathing human beings had anything to do with it's production.

 

[Commander X]

I'm probably in the minority here, but I think there's plenty of mature themes being explored in animation these days. You just have to look outside the mainstream channels like CN or Disney to find them.

Adult animation has for the most part circled around to being Sesame Street for grownups. Shows riddled with therapyspeak the LA writer hacks picked up during their sessions, imagine if there was an episode of Metalocalypse where Murderface gave a big important speech that was treated seriously about the importance to dealing with trauma, or an episode of Aqua Teens where Meatwad talks about how toxic masculinity can effect your mental health. Bojack Horseman was one of the worst about this, where it stopped short of having characters explain what they learned about today's lesson like at the end of an episode of some PBS cartoon.

 

[Mr. Nobodyguy 202]

https://twitter.com/tomruegger/status/1725680147716792639

 

[TVB]

Adult animation has for the most part circled around to being Sesame Street for grownups. Shows riddled with therapyspeak the LA writer hacks picked up during their sessions, imagine if there was an episode of Metalocalypse where Murderface gave a big important speech that was treated seriously about the importance to dealing with trauma, or an episode of Aqua Teens where Meatwad talks about how toxic masculinity can effect your mental health. Bojack Horseman was one of the worst about this, where it stopped short of having characters explain what they learned about today's lesson like at the end of an episode of some PBS cartoon.

It's been said time and time again, but it still reigns true that adult animation from both 90s and 2000s are the still better than any adult animation from 2010s onward. Sure, neither 90s and 2000s were perfect when it comes to animation (including adult animation), but there were so much gems that didn't need to be the same template bullshit.

 

[Anonitolia]

>0 focus on RAMONA in a mostly-RAMONA series

https://twitter.com/tomruegger/status/1725680147716792639

thumbnail your images dude

 

[Castoreum]

imagine if there was an episode of Metalocalypse where Murderface gave a big important speech that was treated seriously about the importance to dealing with trauma

Shut up. That would actually be fucking hilarious. You just know he would be giving his speech to a thousand Dethklok fans listening in earnest when suddenly they start brutally dying or getting mauled by bears or something. And then Toki would clap and say, "Thats was beautifuls, Murderface. You ams really moved the crowd." while wiping tears from his eyes.

 

[Commander X]

I'm just saying American "adult animation" could've explored other routes, like those of high-concept stories and pulp-futurism, but instead we got punished with decades of room-temp IQ Seth Roganism and the offal from sitcom hack writers who saw working in "animation" as both beneath them and just a step towards getting jobs writing for live action.

 

[anustart76]

Adult animation has for the most part circled around to being Sesame Street for grownups. Shows riddled with therapyspeak the LA writer hacks picked up during their sessions

And they use constant crude sexual references and use profanity like punctuation, and they assume that's funny

 

[TVB]

I'm just saying American "adult animation" could've explored other routes, like those of high-concept stories and pulp-futurism, but instead we got punished with decades of room-temp IQ Seth Roganism and the offal from sitcom hack writers who saw working in "animation" as both beneath them and just a step towards getting jobs writing for live action.

And don't forget, the shitty generic animation style that copy the same animation styles of either Matt Groening or Seth MacFarlane

 

[A Grey Cat]

Shows riddled with therapyspeak the LA writer hacks picked up during their sessions,

Or in the case of shows like tuca and bertie and to some extent inside job, a bunch of 30 something cat ladies who are in denial about how they don't need husbands kids or anything like that so long as they have their "careers." I'm serious the adult swim revival of tuca and bertie was some how more whiny and bitchy than the Netflix version. And keep in mind the as version had to tone down its content for broadcast standards.

One episode in particular. I can practically hear lisa hannawalt saying to her own mother, "sorry you'll most likely die never getting to be a grandmother (unless she's already dead idfk) but I'm a strong independent woman who can't be held back by Boomer values like marriage and children.


And while it's been my own conspiracy theory the actual secret societies running the world canceled inside job because Alex and company got a little too comfortable with showing the truth behind the fantasy. The more plausible reason is nobody cared about the show after it went from Rick and Marty clone to 30 something alcoholic wash out trying to overcome both her daddy and relationship issues

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

And while it's been my own conspiracy theory the actual secret societies running the world canceled inside job because Alex and company got a little too comfortable with showing the truth behind the fantasy. The more plausible reason is nobody cared about the show after it went from Rick and Marty clone to 30 something alcoholic wash out trying to overcome both her daddy and relationship issues

The show was better when it was about the relationship issues, those actually had some universal ideas like a man too attached to a broken marriage, an akward kid struggling to make friends or Romeo and Juliet romance. I don't think this is a good thing but just how the show went.

I like the general idea of conspiracies being real but the execution was so lacking. Too many of the conspiracies were for lack of a better term Hollywood safe. Celebrity cameos, blacks being all about homos being great, flat earth people are ridiculous (probably my favorite episode because how the different plots came together) and so on. It was just so samy and predictable. It really needed more everyone is kinda wrong and sucks approach rather than this lefty art PC point of view.

 

[TVB]

The show was better when it was about the relationship issues, those actually had some universal ideas like a man too attached to a broken marriage, an akward kid struggling to make friends or Romeo and Juliet romance. I don't think this is a good thing but just how the show went.

I like the general idea of conspiracies being real but the execution was so lacking. Too many of the conspiracies were for lack of a better term Hollywood safe. Celebrity cameos, blacks being all about homos being great, flat earth people are ridiculous (probably my favorite episode because how the different plots came together) and so on. It was just so samy and predictable. It really needed more everyone is kinda wrong and sucks approach rather than this lefty art PC point of view.

Speaking from myself who liked Inside Job okay, I do remember that problem that ruined the show, especially. The idea of an adult animated sitcom about conspiracy theories could've worked if it was written people who actually do research, even for a leftist POV. Sadly, it's a hodgepodge of American Dad, Futurama, King of the Hill and Archer.