Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Fat Tub of Lard]

I don't know about the DIC Tex Avery rumors, but I do know that John K. shared a page one the show's scripts in order to rip on writers and promote the glorious cartoonist master race. I think either Eddie or Mike might have shared it with him, and clearly they don't have fond memories of the show (which says a lot considering the shit they do wax nostalgically about). And while we all know what a nightmare it was to do Ren and Stimpy, at least when Johnny Boy was still on board, I get the impression the opposite was true of Shnookums and Meat; that series' cast and crew have spoken fondly of it and the experience around it (though not without discussing some arguments with executives, which is frankly par for the course for 90s cartoons), which is ironic considering the bad rap it's gotten in the decades since its run.

Going back to what @Steamboat_Bill said about it being part of Disney's plans to diversify, I can easily see an alternate universe where Shnookums and Meat actually got a good run of episodes and a huge cult following with fans speaking highly of it and claiming it easily stood its own against the pack (save for the lame-ass final season that got shipped off to Nelvana), whereas Gargoyles got canned after 13 episodes and fell into obscurity, forever condemned to being seen as a subpar Batman wannabe. Of course, I think a lot of people would want my head on a pole for even thinking such a thing...

SIDE NOTE: From what I can tell, Lynne Naylor only worked on the shorts that originally aired as part of Disney's Marsupilami series (something a lot of people forget about, considering its own obscurity) before going back to Ren and Stimpy. I believe Eddie did both the shorts and the full series.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

I don't think DIC ever tried to get the rights to his characters. I do know that Eddie and Mike were so embarrassed by the show they took their names off the credits.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

I don't think DIC ever tried to get the rights to his characters. I do know that Eddie and Mike were so embarrassed by the show they took their names off the credits.

That doesn't surprise me at all. From what I've heard, none of the crew were the least bit proud to have worked on it, considering the final product.

It still surprises me that they managed to rope in Billy West to do voices. The rest of the cast is Canadian voices plus Maurice LaMarche and Cree Summer, who have dual citizenship), something DIC liked to do because they were cheaper than Yankee talent. I know DIC had done the same thing before and after, with Jaleel White doing the Blue Blur himself in all of their Sonic cartoons when only one of them, SatAM, was actually recorded in LA, but it seems like a rather random thing to do here, since Ren and Stimpy aside, West wasn't super-famous at the time (this was before Futurama, mind you, and even then he's aguably not a household name). Usually, when shows voiced in Canada use voices from south of the border, it's either because they're well-known otherwise (Don Adams as Inspector Gadget and John de Lancie as Discord), the have dual citizenship (Maurice LaMarche and Cree Summer, as mentioned above, plus Tara Strong), specific circumstances (James Arnold Taylor played Johnny Test in the LA-voiced pilot, but stayed on for the otherwise Canadian-recorded series because executives preferred his voice), or because the creators wanted at least one veteran of a given franchise (June Foray reprising the role of Granny in Baby Looney Tunes while everyone else was played by Canucks). I'm not sure what the story was here.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Ben 10 was pretty dope. So was Static Shock and of course my nigga Captain Planet.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

That doesn't surprise me at all. From what I've heard, none of the crew were the least bit proud to have worked on it, considering the final product.

It still surprises me that they managed to rope in Billy West to do voices. The rest of the cast is Canadian voices plus Maurice LaMarche and Cree Summer, who have dual citizenship), something DIC liked to do because they were cheaper than Yankee talent. I know DIC had done the same thing before and after, with Jaleel White doing the Blue Blur himself in all of their Sonic cartoons when only one of them, SatAM, was actually recorded in LA, but it seems like a rather random thing to do here, since Ren and Stimpy aside, West wasn't super-famous at the time (this was before Futurama, mind you, and even then he's aguably not a household name). Usually, when shows voiced in Canada use voices from south of the border, it's either because they're well-known otherwise (Don Adams as Inspector Gadget and John de Lancie as Discord), the have dual citizenship (Maurice LaMarche and Cree Summer, as mentioned above, plus Tara Strong), specific circumstances (James Arnold Taylor played Johnny Test in the LA-voiced pilot, but stayed on for the otherwise Canadian-recorded series because executives preferred his voice), or because the creators wanted at least one veteran of a given franchise (June Foray reprising the role of Granny in Baby Looney Tunes while everyone else was played by Canucks). I'm not sure what the story was here.

He did some work in Vancouver on The Baby Huey Show in the mid-90s, and all the way back in the 80s in The New Adventures of Beany and Cecil, the infamous John K. flop... I assume someone wanted him to be in it. Maybe Eddie and Mike, even if Billy refused to work with John anymore?

(AoSTH was intended to be the Saturday morning show and would have been recorded in L.A. The pilot film features Gary Owens as the announcer and Jim Cummings as Robotnik - like on SatAM, but his delivery is more akin to Pete.)

 

[Soycast Guy]

About that turning red movie by Pixar, I was finally forced to see the trailer when I was at the theater last night. There’s something about the animation that I just couldn’t help myself.

I guess you could say she’s turning red with anger.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Furries on Twitter are really into these characters and have already put them in every fetish from inflation to diapers, apparently.

FTFY

anyway to offset that horrifying image here's some classic Christmas special moments.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I spent the last few days straining my mind trying to figure out why people love the “corporate art style” so much, that you’re now seeing it in almost every TV ad and YouTube ad.

Even though I tried studying it, it only made me want to watch Liquid Television more. You mean to tell me that people like the corporate artstyle more than they like this?

And even if it was on MTV, at least back then they hired then unknown animators to do their creations unfiltered and filled with actual free expression. These days, these corporations can’t even be bothered to hire or find real talent that will last long in the U.S. animation industry.

Say what you want, but this demoralization into wanting to be in trendy and “progressive” is the reason why most modern animation is devoid of creative abilities, and you wonder why most kids will still watch SpongeBob and Avatar The Last Airbender.

 

[Private Pyle]

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I spent the last few days straining my mind trying to figure out why people love the “corporate art style” so much, that you’re now seeing it in almost every TV ad and YouTube ad.

Even though I tried studying it, it only made me want to watch Liquid Television more. You mean to tell me that people like the corporate artstyle more than they like this?

And even if it was on MTV, at least back then they hired then unknown animators to do their creations unfiltered and filled with actual free expression. These days, these corporations can’t even be bothered to hire or find real talent that will last long in the U.S. animation industry.

Say what you want, but this demoralization into wanting to be in trendy and “progressive” is the reason why most modern animation is devoid of creative abilities, and you wonder why most kids will still watch SpongeBob and Avatar The Last Airbender.

This is actually the first time I’ve heard anyone actually liking this art style. I assumed it showing up in ads was simply because of corporate being corporate. You do however raise a good point about a lack of creativity. Alas, networks shot themselves in the foot in the late 2000s and continued to fuck up for years afterwards. Now you have artists more willing to go indie than deal with a company. Just makes you cherish the lucky shots you stumble upon every now and then.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Nobody actually likes it, it's what the executives think will sell something.

 

[AnOminous]

I spent the last few days straining my mind trying to figure out why people love the “corporate art style” so much, that you’re now seeing it in almost every TV ad and YouTube ad.

Really? People actually like this shit? It has to be the most soulless garbage imaginable. And any time you see this style, it's going to be attached to some horrible wokeshit.

 

[Trilby]

Really? People actually like this shit? It has to be the most soulless garbage imaginable. And any time you see this style, it's going to be attached to some horrible wokeshit.

We don't have the likes of Saul Bass or Victor Moscoso to show us the way.

 

[Asdfgunman81]

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I guess you could say she’s turning red with anger.

I can assure you that if this was from someone like Dreamworks, they would've had someone putting over 'smack my bitch up' during this part of the trailer.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Who here even saw this show back when it new?

I never saw this show marketed back when it was new. I still have the animation magazine issue that talked about it calling it one of the 'Ren and Stimpy' rip offs. I find it extremely odd that Kyle Carrozza likes this, but loathes Ren and Stimpy aside from the fact that this was Disney's half assed attempt of trying to cash in on that style of cartoon.

I hardly remember this carton but I do remember being bored. The animation was standard disney fair but that was it. I think S&M is notable for that alone since other Disney cartoons at that time were better balanced in all aspects. Even Bonkers was better balanced than this.

SIDE NOTE: From what I can tell, Lynne Naylor only worked on the shorts that originally aired as part of Disney's Marsupilami series (something a lot of people forget about, considering its own obscurity) before going back to Ren and Stimpy. I believe Eddie did both the shorts and the full series.

Marsupilami (and that gorilla retard) was just Timon & Pumbaa as different species. He show wasn't memorable outside of his long tail gimmick. In retrospect, Marsupilami would have been way better if he kept being a silent side character for Spirou and Fantasio's action-packed adventures. Why did Disney only spotlight the cheetah monkey over the Tintin like heroes? A mystery I'm not sober enough to solve right now.

 

[Trilby]

I hardly remember this carton but I do remember being bored. The animation was standard disney fair but that was it. I think S&M is notable for that alone since other Disney cartoons at that time were better balanced in all aspects. Even Bonkers was better balanced than this.


Marsupilami (and that gorilla retard) was just Timon & Pumbaa as different species. He show wasn't memorable outside of his long tail gimmick. In retrospect, Marsupilami would have been way better if he kept being a silent side character for Spirou and Fantasio's action-packed adventures. Why did Disney only spotlight the cheetah monkey over the Tintin like heroes? A mystery I'm not sober enough to solve right now.

It was sad, Belgium has quite a great roster of characters yet Disney had to screw Franquin over on his famous animal.
https://www.pipelinecomics.com/comic-book-artist-franquin-sues-disney-and-wins/

 

[Mr. Nobodyguy 202]

Teen Titans, Transformers Animated, Scooby - Doo: Mystery Incorporated, and Ben 10 Onmiverse character designer, Derrick J. Wyatt dead at age 49

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Marsupilami (and that gorilla retard) was just Timon & Pumbaa as different species. He show wasn't memorable outside of his long tail gimmick. In retrospect, Marsupilami would have been way better if he kept being a silent side character for Spirou and Fantasio's action-packed adventures. Why did Disney only spotlight the cheetah monkey over the Tintin like heroes? A mystery I'm not sober enough to solve right now.

When Franquin left the series he got the rights to the Marsupilami and spun him off into his own comic.

There have apparently been several French-made cartoons based off the character which are truer to how he appears in the comics.

 

[Asdfgunman81]

It was sad, Belgium has quite a great roster of characters yet Disney had to screw Franquin over on his famous animal.
https://www.pipelinecomics.com/comic-book-artist-franquin-sues-disney-and-wins/

Michael Eisner would forever be remembered for a few things, and breaking the promise over Franquin is something that nobody's going to forget. Sad enough that Marsupilami(the disney version at least) is mostly in the eyes of Disney fanatics who need to get a life. This should be a lesson for anyone who is in comics to make sure they have a good lawyer when it comes to Disney.

Teen Titans, Transformers Animated, Scooby - Doo: Mystery Incorporated, and Ben 10 Onmiverse character designer, Derrick J. Wyatt dead at age 49
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The only titans that mattered. And its a shame the thing he created would be just remembered as CN's answer to Spongebob.

 

[Trilby]

Michael Eisner would forever be remembered for a few things, and breaking the promise over Franquin is something that nobody's going to forget. Sad enough that Marsupilami(the disney version at least) is mostly in the eyes of Disney fanatics who need to get a life. This should be a lesson for anyone who is in comics to make sure they have a good lawyer when it comes to Disney.

Reminded of one guy I knew on Facebook who would NEVER SHUT UP about the Disney version of the character like it was the only thing he ever saw at a tender age. We had to ban him, thank God. I'm only sad Franquin didn't live long enough to enjoy his win from the lawsuit.

The only titans that mattered. And its a shame the thing he created would be just remembered as CN's answer to Spongebob.

Shows how shallow the entertainment world can be.

Speaking of, another Simpson staffer has passed away.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Mula

 

[Yamma Damma]

It was sad, Belgium has quite a great roster of characters yet Disney had to screw Franquin over on his famous animal.
https://www.pipelinecomics.com/comic-book-artist-franquin-sues-disney-and-wins/

Sobered up and read the article. Disney ALMOST screwed him over but three factors blocked them.

1. They entrusted a 10mil deal to junior executives who lied about talking to the network execs about how to introduce Marsupilami to the west the best way they could. The deal was Disney would make a 13 episode (30 minutes each) show before 1993 was over. Instead they made shorts that didn't add up to the promised deal. And to add insult to injury, he was put alongside Bonkers who did get the full show treatment (the author sounded salty about it haha).

2. Because those amateur hour bitches lied, disney's resources were also pointed 100% towards their movies that were raking in the dough at the time. The poor fella was pushed aside for logical but bullshit reasons. 10mil in the 90s is still a hunky stack of cash even for Disney. Was the Renaissance able to recuperate that lost cost?

3. The office staff put their decision to end the Marsupilami contract for the new movies in a FUCKING MEMO to the chief executive officer. Their admission was in writing!

Franquin is one of the lucky few who went into the Rat Trap and emerged victorious even in death. I wish I knew about this than Marvel creators always trying to go against them and losing every time. Disney may have gotten stronger at the legal justice game but they'll never be immune to incompetence.

When Franquin left the series he got the rights to the Marsupilami and spun him off into his own comic.

There have apparently been several French-made cartoons based off the character which are truer to how he appears in the comics.

Youtube has both the Disney shorts and a few episodes of the newer cartoons. Shocking since jewtube likes to jewtube.

The article @Trilby linked had a clip for a live action movie co-starring him (timestamp 1:36). Maybe I'm still hungover because he looks cute. Cuter than the fucked up live action Smurfs at least.