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[Steamboat_Bill]

Every creator now wants the representation points but lack any balls to have gay men as they are less accepted by the populace because..well...what pervs don't want lesbians.

Same politics also drag this. Cartoon Network and Disney Channel are incestuous in their show runners as most of their creators come from the same pool. There was a meme that depicted this, showing how 2008's Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack lead to pretty much every big animated series on CN and Disney last decade.
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Basically, Flapjack began the apocalypse.

Through no fault of its own, mind you, but there would have been a wider creative pool if CN hadn't gone all in on the live-action thing in 2009. Thurop Van Orman said Cartoon Network Studios was basically a ghost town at the time.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Sheep In The Big City should have gone longer but it wasn't popular with younger audiences. They had some good songs

wasn't that the show with the shrimpola cola gag? (The cola with shrimp!) That name and tidbits of it keep coming back to my memory like a bad fever dream.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

wasn't that the show with the shrimpola cola gag? (The cola with shrimp!) That name and tidbits of it keep coming back to my memory like a bad fever dream.

Yes indeed.

 

[A Grey Cat]

holy shit it is!

No wonder this felt like a fever dream

 

[thegooddoctor]

stopped listening to Schafrillas a while ago. The dude is just a Dreamworks fanboythat makes overly long vides.

I don't necessarily care where the term 'Cal Arts' came from. It is still an overdone style that seems to make up the majority of CN and Disney animation, stripping the companies of the diversities they used to have.

Fair enough but I don’t agree, Just leaning towards a particular studio doesn’t make you less or more qualified on critiquing media, it’s just his personal tastes, yeah his videos are a bit long but it’s the format that sells the best so that’s the format he stuck by.

Perhaps certain characteristics perhaps, but I’m sure you’ve been fooled by that one Calarts image of those CN faces that have that same bean mouth and face, that is complete bullshit because it focuses on surface familiarities, the actual render of those characters completely vary in shape and size and have only superficial differences. It’s so frustrating people think that all styles are exact, there are clear differences in the styles of something like Steven universe compared to gravity falls. It’s like night and day.

 

[Trilby]

Here in America they were eventually running new episodes at 5 pm on Sundays, which should tell you how the network eventually thought about it.

Which was a shame. It was a fine show. Mo Willems should have had the opportunity to do more in animation, but at the very least he's found his niche as a kids' book author. (But we'll always have the Offbeats, of course.)

At least Mo Willems got somewhere. Picked up a copy of his art book I found at Ollie's recently.

Spoiler: His films

Certainly did a lot!

EDIT: Friz Freleng would piss all over that "King Tweety" shit!

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

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[starborn427614]

>BEFORE THE ACID TRIP
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[Private Pyle]

Every creator now wants the representation points but lack any balls to have gay men as they are less accepted by the populace because..well...what pervs don't want lesbians.

Same politics also drag this. Cartoon Network and Disney Channel are incestuous in their show runners as most of their creators come from the same pool. There was a meme that depicted this, showing how 2008's Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack lead to pretty much every big animated series on CN and Disney last decade.
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Basically, Flapjack began the apocalypse.

A random anon pointed it out best; by Flapjack you can actually pinpoint where the industry exploded in Hapsburg levels of incest. A shame since it really wasn’t Flapjack’s fault and is really far removed from it’s “descendants”.

Through no fault of its own, mind you, but there would have been a wider creative pool if CN hadn't gone all in on the live-action thing in 2009. Thurop Van Orman said Cartoon Network Studios was basically a ghost town at the time.

Ain’t that the truth. It cannot be stressed how bad 2007-2009 affected TV and film animation in the west and how we’re still feeling the effects today.

 

[Mr. 0]

Through no fault of its own, mind you, but there would have been a wider creative pool if CN hadn't gone all in on the live-action thing in 2009. Thurop Van Orman said Cartoon Network Studios was basically a ghost town at the time.

Ain’t that the truth. It cannot be stressed how bad 2007-2009 affected TV and film animation in the west and how we’re still feeling the effects today.

Were there any ex-WGA members or scab writers working on the live action shows?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Were there any ex-WGA members or scab writers working on the live action shows?

Really don't know, but "scab" implies that they were union at some point. Reality TV became as big as it did because you didn't need union actors or union writers.

 

[Mr. 0]

Really don't know, but "scab" implies that they were union at some point. Reality TV became as big as it did because you didn't need union actors or union writers.

Were there WGA members doing the cartoons? The strike would be a good reason to do that shit and the timing works out. It would cover why storyboarding seems to dominate modern toons over scriptwriting (that and dumb showrunners).

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Were there WGA members doing the cartoons? The strike would be a good reason to do that shit and the timing works out. It would cover why storyboarding seems to dominate modern toons over scriptwriting (that and dumb showrunners).

Kids' cartoons have never been affiliated with the WGA. Primetime cartoons, yes, but not kids' cartoons; writers for those have always been covered by TAG.

(And in any case the WGA probably wouldn't have been interested. It wasn't that long ago that the average WGA member thought animation was only slightly more respectable than pornography.)

 

[AnAccount]

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Why does it look like friggin breadwinners lol

 

[Kurtis Trent]

I had it on by accident last night and holey shit the show has gotten worse. Your right on them constantly mentioning how Amity is Luz's girlfriend and I'm sorry I really can't stand non-binary in general. Fuck this cartoon for trying to tell kids that's normal. Non-binary will never be fucking normal!!!!!

With whole Lilith thing so is this show trying to be she-ra? Seriously why is it that all cartoons with female leads have to be lesbians and along with every character being non-binary and asexeul lately? We're never getting a show like Kim Possible again where the main character is straight are we?

well, we have Star/Marco and Ladybug/Catnoir but they deserved so much better dammit

 

[Coolio55]

Why does it look like friggin breadwinners lol

Don't remind me about that POS. The guy who made Johnny Rocketfingers went on to work on it

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

A random anon pointed it out best; by Flapjack you can actually pinpoint where the industry exploded in Hapsburg levels of incest. A shame since it really wasn’t Flapjack’s fault and is really far removed from it’s “descendants”.

I like Flapjack, hell I like Adventure Time as well, regardless of it being the second biggest offender. Out of that list I would say Regular Show, Flapjack and Adventure Time are really good, probably deserving of being heralded alongside their 90s-2000s brethren. Steven is another one that I am a little partial to. It is kinda like Sonic where it began really good to make it deserving of being a large icon of the medium, then went on to be a series of missed potential, yet still has tons there that show it has talent.

I never got into any of the Disney shows. Never understood the love for Gravity Falls or Star, and knowing the behind the scenes, I am okay with that.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

I like Flapjack, hell I like Adventure Time as well, regardless of it being the second biggest offender. Out of that list I would say Regular Show, Flapjack and Adventure Time are really good, probably deserving of being heralded alongside their 90s-2000s brethren. Steven is another one that I am a little partial to. It is kinda like Sonic where it began really good to make it deserving of being a large icon of the medium, then went on to be a series of missed potential, yet still has tons there that show it has talent.

I never got into any of the Disney shows. Never understood the love for Gravity Falls or Star, and knowing the behind the scenes, I am okay with that.

Gravity Falls and Amphibia were/are genuinely great, yet Owl House is such a trainwreck, it cancels the other two out. Alex Hirsh went full, batshit-insane TDS right after completing the two seasons of GF, and then never actually pulled off another show since. He’s had deals with Fox, Netflix, and I think another place, and none of them have actually happened.

 

[starborn427614]

I've tried to get into newer shows but the only one that really clicked with me was Hilda. I like Amphibia's cast but the setting isn't that interesting and Owl House feels like the first draft of a magical girl show.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Gravity Falls and Amphibia were/are genuinely great, yet Owl House is such a trainwreck, it cancels the other two out. Alex Hirsh went full, batshit-insane TDS right after completing the two seasons of GF, and then never actually pulled off another show since. He’s had deals with Fox, Netflix, and I think another place, and none of them have actually happened.

I honestly could never get into Gravity Falls. Something about it was off. It was probably the lack of care I had for any of the characters, but I am not sure. I also think I felt like Mabel was annoying.

As for Amphibia, I never watched it as it came out way past the time I was watching cartoons. It being on Disney and being another seemingly Cal-Arts comedy show that is actually deep with an overarching story number 100 just left me with little desire to watch it.

There was a bit of novelty to Adventure Time as it was unique in being a comedy show that was able to branch out and be more narrative driven, but now that style is an overused norm. I think AT and by extension Steven just had more to them to catch my interest at the time. I think a big aspect to why I remember them fondly was just the community behind them. Gravity Falls had a very different community driving it that fell more on the current cartoon sped who needs adult themes to justify watching animated shows. I cannot recall anyone from my irl life that watched any of Disney’s cartoons, but I can recall them watching AT and Steven. Then online, the funny cartoon people, like Pan of the early 2010s, never gave a shit about it. CN’s works were much more cultural phenomenons that lended them to be more fun to watch, whereas the Disney works never really had that and were honestly just lesser in my opinion.

I cannot really explain where my negative feelings come from, but I never felt like Gravity Falls or Star were worthy of the praise while watching them years ago.