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As of today's episode Halo is a Non- binary, muslim, lesbian and her pronouns are They/Them.
I will never understand why SJW-type creators push hijabi lesbian characters so much. They do realize that the remaining countries in the world where being gay is 100% illegal are majority muslim, right? I never see outwardly muslim gay men in media, I wonder why.
Who cares about that though? James Gunn claims he tried to make her a lesbo a couple decades ago
He definitely was lying about that since Scooby Doo 2 gave her a male love interest.
Speaking of which, can Imaginary Friends die, or are they just completely immortal?
It's probably a Coco type thing where they vanish if no one remembers them.
 
I have seen some videos pop up about how the show went downhill, but that is about it. People spent years petition to get the series back, only for nobody to care once it did. YJ is too convoluted for its own good. It wants to be a DC Universe series and keeps throwing in character and plot point after character and plot point till the show has no real focus.
That's what it kind of boils down to. I've been noticing it since the new season started that not a lot of people care about it.
 
Remember Young Justice?

As of today's episode Halo is a Non- binary, muslim, lesbian and her pronouns are They/Them.

No, I am not kidding.

I thought Islam was against gay people? She went from being a cute blond in the comics to "virtue signaling" the character.

I don't mind gay, muslim characters, or whatever, I am just tired of all the woke garbage propaganda straight out of twitter.
And speaking of Young Justice...
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And speaking of Young Justice...
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Wow, Greg. Nice of you to show your true colors. I'm sure Goliath would have been better off destroying David's sphincter. The kids would have loved it.

Oh, but wait, you're now pandering to "sophisticated people" instead of the layman stock.

Hey, Greg. "It's all according to plan", right? Never mind that YJ is getting peanuts for ratings because 90% of it is pirated, and interest has dropped to measly pickings.
 
I will be open with you guys, the reason what Greg is doing pisses me off so much is that I genuinely used to admire his work.

The spectacular Spider-Man was my jam. And Young Justice isn’t so bad.

One of the few people I could say their work could go to toe with anime in the serious action show department. Not counting things like Arcane, and yes excluding edgy adult shows like Invincible, or dumb comedies like Rick and Monty.

To see him, and his work devolve into woke trash was the last straw for me. It does feel like a betrayal.I am not against diversity or whatever, but I do hate being lectured and being preached with shit SJW twitter politics.
 
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I will be open with you guys, the reason what Greg is doing pisses me off so much is that I genuinely used to admire his work.

The spectacular Spider-Man was my jam. And Young Justice isn’t so bad.

One of the few people I could say their work could go to toe with anime in the serious action show department. Not counting things like Arcane, and yes excluding edgy adult shows like Invincible, or dumb comedies like Rick and Monty.

To see him, and his work devolve into woke trash was the last straw for me. It does feel like a betrayal.

And again, I am not against diversity or whatever, but I do hate being lectured and being preached with shit SJW twitter politics.
He practically brought the meme of the "trans-non-binary-muslim-black-girl" to life. All that's missing is her being a dwarf.

I also can't seem to get how he keeps sticking to his usual style. It's gotten old to the point that it's memeworthy.

"Villain has all plans foiled and his crime empire completely destroyed. Lands in jail or killed."

Greg: "All according to plan."

He always does this. All of his villains are suddenly machiavellian masterminds that can plan several hundred steps ahead in some vague plot to accomplish something equally or even more vague that it gets lost along the way.

"Some college dropout working at a convenience store with a developmental disability? Orchestrates a plan of coincidences that spiral into a chain of events that causes him to claim ownership of Amazon at the expense of his own wellbeing. By the time he (somehow) becomes Amazon's new owner (with a new cyborg body that he commissioned from a disgraced NASA scientist who now moonlights as a scalper) after the Russian mafia orders a hit on Bezos because of an active volcano destroying his exploits on renewable energy by annihilating the thousands of windmills he built, with money he borrowed from them to profit off of the returns, and the Vatican inexplicably revealing the Ten Commandments were under some basement of an abandoned strip club in Portland after a newly hatched butterfly was eaten by a desperately hungry raccoon that tipped the original cherry tree that George Washington took a piss on, that's when Andy Dick's master plan to escape from jail has finally come to fruition."

There. Done. Was that so hard? Yet, this isn't even the most convoluted shit he's written.

Yet, we're all supposed to be intelligent about it like he is. Anybody can cook that up after a decent stint in creative writing. Holy crap, I've seen fanfiction authors pull it off with less fanfare, and still have some entertainment value.
 
This is the same ((guy)) that created Gargoyles....
How the mighty have fallen.
He also creates Spectacular Spider-Man, which I stand by as one of the best animated takes on the character. Weisman’s never been a stranger to more progressive elements
Aqualad was black in YJ and now gay, and people like him, or at least, they did. For being a race swap, at least they did something interesting by having him related to Black Manta. Then there are the female characters with Ms. Martian and Artemis, which were very popular, especially Artemis.

Honestly, the diversity shit is the least of the show's problems. The main issue is the lack of care people have for the cast because the cast is way too big. They keep introducing new characters and expect to juggle a cast of over 20 in 13 episodes, while also doing one-offs such as the Razer story. The show has been falling apart since season 2 because they stopped focusing on a core cast to be some expansive DC Comics slideshow.
Slight correction, Aqualad is a legacy character ala John Stewart rather than a race swap. But that’s just nitpicking; diversity issues aside, the show really feels like it’s trying to do what Justice League Unlimited did years before without the excellent writing and understanding on how to handle a large cast. It seems like few people know how to do a shared animated universe nowadays.
I will be open with you guys, the reason what Greg is doing pisses me off so much is that I genuinely used to admire his work.

The spectacular Spider-Man was my jam. And Young Justice isn’t so bad.

One of the few people I could say their work could go to toe with anime in the serious action show department. Not counting things like Arcane, and yes excluding edgy adult shows like Invincible, or dumb comedies like Rick and Monty.

To see him, and his work devolve into woke trash was the last straw for me. It does feel like a betrayal.I am not against diversity or whatever, but I do hate being lectured and being preached with shit SJW twitter politics.
The only thing I disagree with is calling Invincible edgy. Yes it is ridiculously gory and over the top but it’s also one of the few things that could compete with anime in modern western animation. Nah but for real, it’s real sad to see someone like this go to pots, especially in something as niche as Western animation.
 
The only thing I disagree with is calling Invincible edgy. Yes it is ridiculously gory and over the top but it’s also one of the few things that could compete with anime in modern western animation. Nah but for real, it’s real sad to see someone like this go to pots, especially in something as niche as Western animation.
This isn't actually the first time Greg has dabbled in this sort of thing.

In the animated series W.I.T.C.H., in which he was the writer for Season 2, he once commented that he considers one of the characters, Irma, to be a lesbian, even though none of the higher-ups nor the writer of the original comic confirmed this.

So, how did I come to know this? The geniuses at TV Tropes heard it on the grapevine and all of a sudden, Irma was a bona-fide dyke to them. For about a year, before they had to delete that tidbit because it wasn't a genuine "Word of God".

The show hasn't been renewd as of today, but he is always begging people on twitter to watch it so it gets renewed
Wait, seriously? He's begging people to watch it? Sweet mother of God, that is pathetic! And with no renewal in sight?

Greg, Greg, Greg...what are you doing?
 
He practically brought the meme of the "trans-non-binary-muslim-black-girl" to life. All that's missing is her being a dwarf.

I also can't seem to get how he keeps sticking to his usual style. It's gotten old to the point that it's memeworthy.

"Villain has all plans foiled and his crime empire completely destroyed. Lands in jail or killed."

Greg: "All according to plan."

He always does this. All of his villains are suddenly machiavellian masterminds that can plan several hundred steps ahead in some vague plot to accomplish something equally or even more vague that it gets lost along the way.

"Some college dropout working at a convenience store with a developmental disability? Orchestrates a plan of coincidences that spiral into a chain of events that causes him to claim ownership of Amazon at the expense of his own wellbeing. By the time he (somehow) becomes Amazon's new owner (with a new cyborg body that he commissioned from a disgraced NASA scientist who now moonlights as a scalper) after the Russian mafia orders a hit on Bezos because of an active volcano destroying his exploits on renewable energy by annihilating the thousands of windmills he built, with money he borrowed from them to profit off of the returns, and the Vatican inexplicably revealing the Ten Commandments were under some basement of an abandoned strip club in Portland after a newly hatched butterfly was eaten by a desperately hungry raccoon that tipped the original cherry tree that George Washington took a piss on, that's when Andy Dick's master plan to escape from jail has finally come to fruition."

There. Done. Was that so hard? Yet, this isn't even the most convoluted shit he's written.

Yet, we're all supposed to be intelligent about it like he is. Anybody can cook that up after a decent stint in creative writing. Holy crap, I've seen fanfiction authors pull it off with less fanfare, and still have some entertainment value.
Actually there is a Young Justice fanfic that was made before the show came back with season 3. It was ment to take place after season 2 and is really good.
I feel like it may be even better than the actual continuation.
 
Honestly, Young Justice has only been getting worse as time goes on, and it really starts to make sense why that is when you begin to read Greg Weisman's Tweets.
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He comes as one of those guys who think he's smarter than everyone else. He's terminally online and loves to get his ass kissed by the parasites that live on Twitter, and yet at the same time, he also comes off as insecure.

Remember that one tweet he made to ratio someone because "they ruin his mood."
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Isn't it rich that a white man is saying we should strip all white males from his own show? Not only does this Tweet comes off as passive-aggressive, but what makes it sadder is that this tweet kind of reveals that Greg is the type of person who loathes himself, the type of fool who bought into the con that white people are the source of all evil and we need to get rid of them.

It would explain why Young Justice had an episode where an "evil white king" of Atlantis gets destroyed the moment he's crowned but then gets replaced with a white female queen because a woman can do no wrong.

Or how the Justice League needed to beat Lek Luthor Because he was "trending" no, I'm not joking. They even make an entire team which includes emotional depress Beast Boy, so they can be retable to teenagers.

It all reeks of a creator who's so out of touch with the real world and ends up doing stupid shit like this, ultimately alienating his audience.
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And this we get into something amusing about this show. Remember Halo? Of course, you don't because she is so forgettable and bland even though she has the power to come back from the dead.
Well, despite the show bragging about how Muslim and Gay she is, as it turns out, that wasn't how she original turn out.
In fact, Halo is just one of the many characters that Greg Weisman has decided to race swap.
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Her original name, Gabriella Doe, is just another of the many characters that get their race changed to be more progressive. Hell, this is the same show that decided to make Zod of all people Black.
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It was all to win woke points.
Greg Weisman doesn't give a shit about other races or cultures. He just wants everyone to be as progressive as he is, which it's shown in how he deals with others complaining about how nobody will accept his brand new characters.
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This is a child in a man's body unable to accept how the world works. Just the idea that there are religions out there that thinks his ideals are stupid but also believe gay people deserve to die disgusts Greg, so he's going to make a gay Muslim to prove them wrong. He is one idiot, full of that self-righteous tripe you find in shows like Steven Universe, where the creators have a narrow view of the world.

Despite his attempts to write a show that explores the dark perceptive of heroism but it has become such a consulted mess with too many characters and subplots to focus on that it becomes impossible to care about. There are so many time skips that result in significant changes, and the only way to see those changes is through reading outside material, which is a horrible way to write a show and is one of the many reasons ratings have tanked over the years.

It's not even about the original team of young sidekicks trying to prove themselves worthy to their mentors, and it is just a DC show with brand new characters every next arc.
It's frustrating because Greg expects to fall in love with these new characters the moment they come on the screen when the audience really wants to focus more on the original team.

Even the animation has gotten worse. Count the number of times they use a slide show because it's so painfully clear they're on a tight budget. It's just painful.

It becomes very clear that they have no idea what to do with this show, and Greg Weisman will try composite for that by making it gayer and more progressive than ever, don't be surprised when Greg adds a Gay, trans, Latinx midget from Ukraine.
 
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The only thing I disagree with is calling Invincible edgy. Yes it is ridiculously gory and over the top but it’s also one of the few things that could compete with anime in modern western animation.
I know. Invincible It’s a good show. I was just exaggerating to make a point. He was able to do quality without being in the gory adult category.


Speaking off, Guess who is doubling down?

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Look Greg, the issue isn’t you having diversity. You want that so you can just pretend all the valid criticism is coming from racists bigots.

Nobody cares if you have a gay or black character.

The issue is that we wanted a teenage superhero show with a core team of characters and instead you gave us your political propaganda mixed with your poorly disguised pilot for a dc universe.

Nobody, save for Twitter SJWs , asked for this :

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I know. Invincible It’s a good show. I was just exaggerating to make a point. He was able to do quality without being in the gory adult category.


Speaking off, Guess who is doubling down?

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Look Greg, the issue isn’t you having diversity. You want that so you can just pretend all the valid criticism is coming from racists bigots.

Nobody cares if you have a gay or black character.

The issue is that we wanted a teenage superhero show with a core team of characters and instead you gave us your political propaganda mixed with your poorly disguised pilot for a dc universe.

Nobody, save for Twitter SJWs , asked for this :



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"Sensitivity reader" what in the actual hell?
 
This isn't actually the first time Greg has dabbled in this sort of thing.

In the animated series W.I.T.C.H., in which he was the writer for Season 2, he once commented that he considers one of the characters, Irma, to be a lesbian, even though none of the higher-ups nor the writer of the original comic confirmed this.

So, how did I come to know this? The geniuses at TV Tropes heard it on the grapevine and all of a sudden, Irma was a bona-fide dyke to them. For about a year, before they had to delete that tidbit because it wasn't a genuine "Word of God".
I read about that a while back; compared to having Lexington come out of the closet, having Irma contradicts both the show and the comics where she dated guys exclusively. It’s really something when you have to ignore canon to have your representation, well intentioned as it might be.
"Sensitivity reader" what in the actual hell?
It’s a retarded concept but a pretty good grift; you literally get paid for saying something offends you! I kid but stuff like this really represents all the critiques from the past pages; focusing on shit only people on twitter would care about while leaving all the major problems unchecked.

All this Weisman talk has me lamenting the state of action shows at this point in time.
 
Wow. Can't believe Chris is drawing the Powerpuff Girls in their old racist style. Just bring back Coal Black while you're at it.
A bunch of talentless harpies spent possibly up to 10 minutes redesigning the show to look ugly and samey and this is the thanks you give them? Why do you hate women, Chris?

TL;DR
Some incel nerd manbaby complaining about his precious shitty cartoon nobody even cared about until the new team fixed it.
 
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