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I have been getting recommendations for vids based on Bluey recently, and I have to say, if Bluey doesn’t breed the next brony community, I will honestly be shocked. We have already hit the bullying arc.

I will give bronies this, at least they are entertaining in their autism, the Bluey community just makes me concerned and depressed at the state of western animation fans.
i mean...compared to velma? At least it's not velma. Plus I dont think it'll spawn a community as big as bronydom. Remember this show is living on borrowed time they use real kids to voice the characters and kids grow. Unless they plan on recasting (which i've heard they aren't) Then as soon as the kid VAs outgrow their roles maybe so will the show.

but yeah as oats12345 said it's harmless enough, let the kids have their fun.

Also The full flintstones busch beer promo from 67 has been found a restored.
honestly, if not for the specific product placement and drinking this feels like a run of mill episode of the Flintstones. The 1967 is interesting as the Flintstones last episode aired april 1st, 1966. This promo was only shown around the busch beer breweries as sort of a welcoming gift to new employees at orientation.
 
What is it with shows like Bluey attracting weirdos?
It is a laid back series with little conflict and a wholesome family. If the vids I posted are anything to go by, people are using it as a substitute for their family as Bluey is the way family is “supposed to be.” I compare it to MLP as that was the reasoning for many in that fandom as well. As a side note, I remember some brony ShellyD looked at who spoke about how he was attracted to the ponies because his dad divorced his mom and now he can’t trust family. These shows attract man/woman-children as they function as some idealization of what friends and family are. It becomes more apparent when you look at communities like Animal Crossing.
 
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While I know Velma's dominating things at themoment on the topic of better cartoons I'm currently watching the Spiderman animated series that aired around the same time as the very popular X-Men one. Trying to recall all the other Marvel ones that came out around the same time. I know Hulk and Silver Surfer got one, Fantastic 4 might have gotten two versions, Iron Man too I think.
 
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These people forget that this was the payoff scene not just of Perrito wanting to be a therapy dog, but of Puss coming to terms with his vulnerability. His first panic attack happened in the bar when he realized the wolf wasn't playing around and had actually struck him with a blade (after his spiel about how blades never touch him). He ran for his fucking life for a good reason, and that was part of his conflict of coming to terms with his mortality. He was scarred literally and figuratively by that encounter, and he didn't have a way to cope with it or find ways to overcome it on his own.

This scene is more palpable for these people going on about its accurate depiction of a panic attack because they may have dogs themselves, and know that feeling of having a furry friend comfort them so unconditionally whenever they're alone. And don't get me wrong, it's a very effective scene and very touching to see it come together, but Puss' journey was leading up to this moment. Now he didn't spend years running from his anxieties like these people on Twitter clearly have, but it's a fresh-enough scar of Puss' that he didn't want to know how to open up to anyone and talk things out. That was part of his pride as a legendary hero in how he walks alone and yadda-yadda.

Someone who animated that definitely has the experience to know how to portray it, and the sound designers knew how to edit it to make it sure that all you could hear was a rapid heartbeat and breathing until Puss was distracted enough with Perrito's presence to calm down and talk. I don't know if it's the most accurate depiction of a panic attack/fear in animation or cinema or whatnot, but it's something that's been standing out to people. I can only hope they're taking this as a way for them to be able to learn how to cope better and get over their anxieties much like how Puss overcame his fear by facing and confronting Death, but this is Twitter we're talking about. They ravish in living in their anxieties like this. And that's fucking disgusting for them to latch onto this movie as a way to feel "seen" or "validated" when it's literally showing its audience how you, too, can overcome your fears and learn to live with it.

Shallow people will always be shallow in personality and thought. They just will never take things to heart.
After seeing it last night (and loving the shit out of it. The slowed frame rate action scenes were a little distracting as the movie went on but the story made up for it), you hit the nail on the head in one word: Payoff. Puss' reason for having a panic attack made perfect sense, how he calmed down from it made perfect sense, the one talking to him about it made perfect sense and the resolution to it all was kickass. No wonder this sequel took so long! Dreamworks puts in the work to give the most satisfying payoffs in animated storytelling. Disney and Pixar used to know how to do that but damn did they lose it. Dreamworks' TV shows never had it but their movies never lost it. Well maybe except Shark Tale.

Also Dreamworks put in the work to get Puss in an episode of Hot Ones. God fucking bless them. :heart-full:

Watched the new Velma episodes so you don't have to. The black girl that gets with Norville is named Gigi, but knowing this show she might get a nickname later down the line. She looks different because she takes a hint from Velma "de-sexualizing" her friends and starts dressing like Willow Smith.

The two episodes got a total of two ish laughs out of me, one per episode. But I have already forgotten them.

The first one is about self defense, and Velma trying to figure out her feelings for Daphne. They are both wholly unlikable so I didn't care. Their dynamic is very hard to follow, as when one begins to like the other they will do a sudden heel turn and become an asshole. And on and on it goes. The episode steals the Cardigan joke from Clone High wholesale and uses it about 14 more times than was necessary.
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(I'd rather be watching Clone High, the soundtrack is so good)
Before the next episode played an advert for the Harley Quinn show came on, better lesbian show, better show overall.

The second one was more unpleasant. Velma is tasked with making the hottest girls ugly so the serial killer won't murder them. She also makes Fred read the Feminine Mystique, which literally fries his brain and makes him like smart girls instead of hot ones. Velma teaches the girls about hairy pits feminism, they decide they don't like it because they'd rather be attractive. Episode tries to say that both vapid sluts and annoying feminists are equally valid, but also ends with Velma getting a nude from Fred, turning his date proposal down, and then keeping the nude for later masturbatory use. I'm starting to root for Fred honestly, if only because of how much the show mistreats him.

If the show is trying to make Velma intentionally unlikable they are really shooting themselves in the foot. There is a line.
I know you want to forget it but were the girls killed anyway despite the uglyfication?

What is it with shows like Bluey attracting weirdos?
To go in depth anymore would validate the "bitch about wokeshit" title change. Like @Vyse Inglebard said, it's just autism. So long as the show keeps being for kids and doesn't wink and nudge at the adults in the audience like MLP:fim did, who cares.
 
I was never really an Animaniacs fan, in part because it felt like a really forced attempt at "recapturing" the tone of classic cartoons but for a modern audience, which meant a lot of hacky pop cultural references, smirky deconstructions of 1940s cartoon logic (thanks for breaking down how ridiculous those old cartoons you dicks supposedly homaging are!) obnoxious one-joke characters like Katie Kaboom and "Goodfeathers" (see we're referencing that one scene from Goodfellas FUNNY? FUNNY HOW DO I AMUSE YOU that by the mid 90s had already been "parodied" thousands of times by other uncreative hacks and we will DRIVE THIS JOKE INTO THE GROUND) and the weird fawning depictions of sugar daddy Spielberg, whose main contributions to the series (and Tiny Toons) was astroturfing the show everywhere and pumping up the production values

Obnoxious, one-joke character: Time for me to walk to the front door and then open it! (does so with a lot of in-betweening as a full orchestra goes crazy with the drums and horns)

Spielberg: "See, it's just like the classic Golden Age of Animation!"

Of course, back then, it was just hacks who were hoping to use the project to break into working on "real" shows i.e. live action. These are at least some of who writes modern Animaniacs.

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Even redditors who are nostalgic for the shows hate Animaniacs and Tiny Toons


That OP is smarter than expected for a reddit take. Can't say the same for all the comments.

I hate you guys.

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What is it with shows like Bluey attracting weirdos?
Every show/game/movie/book/ect has these weirdos in it. It’s just who social media decides to shit on and claim “everyone who likes this thing is lie this lol” that ends up getting the bad reputation over others.
 
Oh no oh no oh no oh no oh no…..
Ok, color me shocked he hates it. Normally Bob will furiously fellate any piece of pop culture trash regardless of how bad it is if it pushes "the message" hard enough.
>not even fucking MovieBob likes Mindy Kaling's Velma

Mindy, you have created a masterpiece of ineptitude. You broke the damn scale.
 
You know, Mindy…making everyone want to fuck Indian-Velma really doesn’t really help quell the whole “obvious self insert” stuff.
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I haven't watched Velma but holy fuck this self insert garbage reminds me of a girly version of the autism produced by Linkara. And if I ever do end up watching this shit, it would be through good old fashion piracy.

I have been getting recommendations for vids based on Bluey recently, and I have to say, if Bluey doesn’t breed the next brony community, I will honestly be shocked. We have already hit the bullying arc.

I will give bronies this, at least they are entertaining in their autism, the Bluey community just makes me concerned and depressed at the state of western animation fans.
Yeah I remember back in the early 2010s when I called myself a Brony, and the appeal of it was how the show was basically something closer to a newer generation of something like Powerpuff girls or Foster's. It was fun, but I eventually grew out of it, I got the appeal but from what I've seen of people praising Bluey, it feels more depressing.
 

The level of cope is palpable.
 
Yeah I remember back in the early 2010s when I called myself a Brony, and the appeal of it was how the show was basically something closer to a newer generation of something like Powerpuff girls or Foster's.
For me it was a bit different: MLP FIM felt like an eighties cartoon that was somehow made decades later. The first season had a genuine sincerity and moral center to it, as well as being easy to watch in a day and age where everything was trending towards "gotta have a serialized storyline in order to lock in viewers." It was nice to have a show I could sorta have fun with, sorta take seriously, and yet which allowed me to follow at my own pace instead of trying essentially to force my loyalty.

Then Season 2 came and all of that was out the window and suddenly it was just another dumb modern cartoon, with all that entailed in 2011. It was literally like the show had been killed and a skinwalker was wearing its flesh and you could tell something was off.
 
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