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[Purple Threat]

@LucasSomething Can't quote but yeah it's a lot easier to copy something popular or make a reboot than try to be original.

The recent disney tv animations outside of Amphibia and Owl House haven't been getting as much traction either due to lack of gay ships and lore sperging.

It's sad Wander Over Yonder nor Kid Cosmic got half the recognition that any of the above shows did, but you'll still see NPCs beg for more PPG because member berries.

You really have both sides contributing to the flood of mediocrity.

On another note I still stand by Rise of Tmnt being great. It has wonderful animation and the art style is very reminiscent of Derrick J Wyatt's style as seen in Mystery Inc and Ben 10 Omniverse.

I can understand not liking a more comedy-heavy reboot of an action property but some of the backlash it got bordered on TTG-tier.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Third season was a bit anti-climactic, but yeah it was decent. I can't think of many animated TV shows based on Disney movies that were bad.

Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Tangled, Big Hero 6, Lilo and Stitch, Goof Troop, possibly Buzz Lightyear of Star Command. I'm sure I'm missing some but most of them watchable.
And yeah, as you say very anti-climactic third season. Not bad just a bit hollow.

the Lilo & Stitch series was bad, but I already have gone on in detail about why that is.

I have seen your posts about it but I'm curious how you consider it relative to something actually bad like Owl House for example? I found Owl House watchable but recognised the many major flaws, about all I remember about the Lilo and Stitch series was the pokemon aspect and a tolerable theme tune that on the third repetition would likely have me reaching for mute or a drill for my ears.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

I have seen your posts about it but I'm curious how you consider it relative to something actually bad like Owl House for example?

Oh, the L&S TV show is only bad because it has the Lilo & Stitch name/characters attached to it. Taken on its own merits (which, if you love the original movie like I do, it's VERY hard to do so) it's....fine. It's fucking Citizen Kane compared to the Owl House.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Oh, the L&S TV show is only bad because it has the Lilo & Stitch name/characters attached to it. Taken on its own merits (which, if you love the original movie like I do, it's VERY hard to do so) it's....fine. It's fucking Citizen Kane compared to the Owl House.

So like many other examples would have been an acceptable bog standard show (child helping aliens crashing on Earth find somewhere to belong) but people lacked the faith in its ability to succeed in its own right.

As an aside even dyed in the wool Democrat voters hate the shit being done with the L&S stuff. One of my online GMs is a full blown Trump is Satan sort and even their reaction to live action Lilo and Stictch was that DeSantis needs to beat Disney like a rented mule.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

So like many other examples would have been an acceptable bog standard show (child helping aliens crashing on Earth find somewhere to belong) but people lacked the faith in its ability to succeed in its own right.

No, I don't believe it was a completely original thing with Lilo and Stitch barely slapped on. The TV show was built from the ground up with L&S in mind. However, as I've stated before, Disney most likely didn't know WTF to do with it, which they could've solved easily if they just let Chris + Dean handle it themselves instead of getting their TV dudes/executives to do it.

 

[A Grey Cat]

the original idea for cool world was, "cartoonist has sex with cartoon character that results in a killer half toon half human hybrid trying to kill her human dad." It was meant to be closer to a slasher movie. I honestly would like to see that movie made even if has to be made without Ralph Bakshi given the old man is retired now.

It's funny how if cool world was ahead of its time on anything, it's how people will thirst and even simp for cartoon characters. even after all the studio changes made to the script, the idea that remained paramount (no pun intended) is you are not a sound minded individual if you wanna go, ''dipping your pen in the inkwell."

You keep your pencil in your pocket.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Oh, the L&S TV show is only bad because it has the Lilo & Stitch name/characters attached to it. Taken on its own merits (which, if you love the original movie like I do, it's VERY hard to do so) it's....fine. It's fucking Citizen Kane compared to the Owl House.

Also, the L&S TV show got some crossovers with other series like Kim Possible, Recess, American Dragon: Jake Long and the Proud Family before they became more woke.

 

[TVB]

Loonatics Unleashed.

The only good thing to come out of Loonatics Unleashed was the Newgrounds parody

 

[Xentrilius]

The only good thing to come out of Loonatics Unleashed was the Newgrounds parody

Loonatics unleashed could be considered so bad it’s good almost. It’s so ridiculously over the top and corporate it became funny.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

Loonatics Unleashed is such a fascinating yet unmemorable show. Imagine taking Looney Tunes analogues and make them fight crime but they don't get to act looney so you get generic Man of Action copycat that can only appeal to furries. Not a single choice they made worked and when they tried to backtrack it backfired. Loonatics seems like the kind of generic hero team that something like the cast of Villainous would deal with as a cutaway gag.
Villains that operate on Looney Tunes logic tho? Now that gets the noggin rollin

 

[Niggerphobe]

What did yall think of digital circus

 

[Thiletonomics]

To anybody who cares about Doug (the former Nicktoon crossed over to Disney), I bring grave news.

Doug Creator Jim Jinkins Working on Sequel Series​

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Given how the series was ruined with the move to Disney, I'm not optimistic about this show either.

These aren't exactly up to date, but it's a good look at how the industry works.

What I wonder, is where Fresh TV's shows (6teen, Total Drama, and Stoked) would fit in this tree.

 

[anustart76]

All these disney shows having bizarrely similar MCs that look like failed Mabel clones also makes hard to give them a chance cause if you dislike one you'll assume you'd hate all of them.

I think what made us grow so cynical is that every cartoon nowadays is either a reboot, agressively politically correct (Moon girl), tries to copy a popular previous cartoon (gravity falls clones), an obvious cashcow (Imagine running 3 spongebob shows), gets overtaken by shitty drama (SU, Star VS), looks ugly as sin (OK KO) and/or has very alienating/spiteful premise (Rise of Ninja Turtles).

This is why I sperg out over Big City Greens and Hamster & Gretel. They're more sitcoms than adventure shows, but they're something genuinely different from the lazy woke girlbossing shows. One is a really wholesome show about a family of farmers, while the other is similar in tone to Phineas & Ferb (same creator). The show Kiff is pretty alright too.

 

[TheDataHorder]

What did yall think of digital circus

thought it was alright, bit rough around the edges but it has potential to be an enjoyable series.
gooseworx's artstyle translates horribly to 3d but it works in the shows favor for what its trying to achieve visually. (disappointed with the bubble's design though, looks like a chainchomp knockoff)

interested to see where it goes.

 

[TVB]

Loonatics unleashed could be considered so bad it’s good almost. It’s so ridiculously over the top and corporate it became funny.

Loonatics Unleashed is such a fascinating yet unmemorable show. Imagine taking Looney Tunes analogues and make them fight crime but they don't get to act looney so you get generic Man of Action copycat that can only appeal to furries. Not a single choice they made worked and when they tried to backtrack it backfired. Loonatics seems like the kind of generic hero team that something like the cast of Villainous would deal with as a cutaway gag.
Villains that operate on Looney Tunes logic tho? Now that gets the noggin rollin

Part of me wants to blame the creators of SWAT Katz, especially when they made something like Mega Babies, but I mostly blame WB for its corporate decision to make it in the first place. Keep in mind, production was already made days after Looney Tunes Back in Action ended up failing at the box office during that opening weekend.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

It is at least slightly more inspired than Loonatics Unleashed.

Hey, my ten-year-old edgelord phase loved seeing Bugs Bunny's cyclops cosplay!

 

[Super-Chevy454]

What I wonder, is where Fresh TV's shows (6teen, Total Drama, and Stoked) would fit in this tree.

The same question could apply to shows produced by other Canadian studios like Nelvana and DHX/Wildbrain.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

World's greatest lesbian breakup song.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

To anybody who cares about Doug (the former Nicktoon crossed over to Disney), I bring grave news.

Doug Creator Jim Jinkins Working on Sequel Series​

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Cannot wait for that PTSD this reboot will bring come Disneycember.

 

[Castoreum]

Am new to the thread. Hey, guys. Please excuse me if I say something retarded. I'm doing my best.

I used to be a huge cartoon/animation buff. I'd watch everything in the past. I had a pipedream once of working in the industry, but I fell off a while back for reasons many people have already talked about. However, it's cool that indie productions are popping up all over the place like daisies. It gives me a bit of hope, even if the productions aren't necessarily my cup of tea, that there is a new era for animation in the near future, but I might just be overly optimistic. My point is: it's easier today than even 10 or so years ago for people to congregate online to make something.

Anyway, I watched Pixar's Cars for the very first time a few weeks ago. I never saw it because I didn't like cars/racing. It seems like a movie for adults rather than children since its central themes are the fading culture of Americana and how highway bypasses can destroy a small town community. I was really impressed at how good it was. I put it up there with Ratatouille in how mature its storytelling is.