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[TVB]

One of the biggest problems with a lot of modern writers and the fans is their immaturity and inability to let go.

These people might be older physically but mentally they’re still the immature teenagers they were in their youth.

Most writers in the industry during both 90s and 2000s (and to a lesser extent, some of early-2010s) were way more into creativity and not shitty fanfic writing

 

[Big Fat Frog]

Been rewatching Aqua Teen because I was in a binge mood for some classic Adult Swim and prepping for the new season, and god damn did I miss this show. I think it was really what got me into absurdist humor. I think when I finish that I’ll rewatch Sealab 2021 because that was another one I have a lot of memories. I think I’ll try 12 oz. Mouse and Venture Bros because I never watched them, and I’ll try to give Superjail another shot because I remember my friends tried really hard to get me into it but I never really could.

 

[TVB]

Been rewatching Aqua Teen because I was in a binge mood for some classic Adult Swim and prepping for the new season, and god damn did I miss this show. I think it was really what got me into absurdist humor. I think when I finish that I’ll rewatch Sealab 2021 because that was another one I have a lot of memories. I think I’ll try 12 oz. Mouse and Venture Bros because I never watched them, and I’ll try to give Superjail another shot because I remember my friends tried really hard to get me into it but I never really could.

Have you ever considered adding Xavier: RA, Squidbillies, Metalocalypse, Boondocks, Home Movies or early-Robot Chicken on the list of Adult Swim binge watches?

 

[Enig]

ADC's pilot (which is only weeks old) is on track atm to surpass the total viewcount of the Hazbin Hotel pilot (a pilot that's been up for half a decade). I guess I was wrong about Australia being neutered if they can atone for Barney 2 Bluey by having an aussie with a drill fetish pull that off.

 

[AskeDead]

Rewatching Family Guy from the start, season 2 has had me laughing so hard I thought I was going to die more than once.

 

[AnOminous]

So uh, what's wrong with those scenes? Zhen seems okay, nothing objectionable in them. How come it got leaked? Usually leaks happen because some disgruntled employee is not happy with what's been going on and is trying to "warn" people ahead of time.

Most people who do that are also gigantic autists so who knows what will set them off?

Has the look of a deliberate "leak" to me.

 

[TVB]

Rewatching Family Guy from the start, season 2 has had me laughing so hard I thought I was going to die more than once.

I still stand by my point and say that seasons 2-7 are the show's biggest highlights.

 

[AskeDead]

I still stand by my point and say that seasons 2-7 are the show's biggest highlights.

Amen brother.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

If modern day showrunners for animated shows are creative, then they would've come up with something original and less of fanfic writing. Unfortunately because the media industry is lactose towards the idea of originality.

Most writers in the industry during both 90s and 2000s (and to a lesser extent, some of early-2010s) were way more into creativity and not shitty fanfic writing

Agreed.

Writers like Bruce Timm and Gennady Tartakovsky were creative in their works. They were passionate and inventive.

These modern writers just write fanfiction; Power fantasies, self-insert OCs and shipping bullshit. I mean, look at the shit we’ve gotten over the years: The Owl House, The Loud House, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.

And the target audience is supposed to be kids but these shows usually attract retarded adults and teens who don’t want to grow up.

 

[Coolio55]

These modern writers just write fanfiction; Power fantasies, self-insert OCs and shipping bullshit. I mean, look at the shit we’ve gotten over the years: The Owl House, The Loud House, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.

This probably deserves a thread of it's own (maybe there already *is* one!) but I'm very interested in this conundrum.
"Writing what you know" is perfectly valid. How do you prevent it from becoming "Writer posting 'L's"?

 

[starborn427614]

The first episode of Invincible (Season 2) is out now. Haven't had chance to watch it yet, but it's apparently decent.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

This probably deserves a thread of it's own (maybe there already *is* one!) but I'm very interested in this conundrum.
"Writing what you know" is perfectly valid. How do you prevent it from becoming "Writer posting 'L's"?

I think a big part is having multiple inspirations, and especially more obscure works. Too many shows today base themselves solely off one work to the point of becoming a low end version of said good. The Owl House is just Harry Potter, something like Star & Steven are just Sailor Moon. It feels like we are in a flux where every cartoon is aping off the same works, the same 5 animes and video games + Harry Potter and Avatar for good measure. It constrains creativity and leaves one making a bad fanfic.

The next part is just maturity. Being able to move on from high school and not living your life vicariously through one’s own works. Too many shippers, of which are now show runners, get way to into fantasy. Having a life outside the bubble of internet and media, and again, having more interests to look at, really go a long way.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

I think a big part is having multiple inspirations, and especially more obscure works. Too many shows today base themselves solely off one work to the point of becoming a low end version of said good. The Owl House is just Harry Potter, something like Star & Steven are just Sailor Moon. It feels like we are in a flux where every cartoon is aping off the same works, the same 5 animes and video games + Harry Potter and Avatar for good measure. It constrains creativity and leaves one making a bad fanfic.

Agreed.

It’s good to draw inspiration from your favorite shows, books, games and movies but you don’t want it to become a cheap knockoff of Batman or Power Rangers.

The next part is just maturity. Being able to move on from high school and not living your life vicariously through one’s own works. Too many shippers, of which are now show runners, get way to into fantasy. Having a life outside the bubble of internet and media, and again, having more interests to look at, really go a long way.

Once again, I agree.

A lot of people get way too into fantasy. I mean, I love fiction and writing but it’s never good to live vicariously through fantasy. Fantasy is fun and all but we gotta remember it’s stuff that some people made up.

 

[SecretMagicalGirl]

Indeed, Have you ever noticed that all the “popular and correct opinions” about Western animations are actually held by man children?

Twitter and Reddit love to shill and praise all the Cal arts style shows like The Owl House. But notice how children are not that into them?

Halloween was a few days ago and, after all these years I’ve yet to see a single kid dressed as a Steven Universe Character. Not even a single kid buying their merchandise. No backpacks, no toys. Nothing. It’s just adults praising it for “representation.”

Teen Titans Go! admittedly isn’t my cup of tea, but the undeniable fact is that kids, real kids, love that show. The people that bitch and moan about it all day, are mostly adults that should have jobs by now.

The open secret is that most of the internet popular western shows “for kids” are being made and being watched by adults.

 

[starborn427614]

I think a big part is having multiple inspirations, and especially more obscure works. Too many shows today base themselves solely off one work to the point of becoming a low end version of said good. The Owl House is just Harry Potter, something like Star & Steven are just Sailor Moon. It feels like we are in a flux where every cartoon is aping off the same works, the same 5 animes and video games + Harry Potter and Avatar for good measure. It constrains creativity and leaves one making a bad fanfic.

The next part is just maturity. Being able to move on from high school and not living your life vicariously through one’s own works. Too many shippers, of which are now show runners, get way to into fantasy. Having a life outside the bubble of internet and media, and again, having more interests to look at, really go a long way.

Slight correction, Steven is Utena. Well, it's a lot of things most mostly Utena.

 

[TVB]

Agreed.

Writers like Bruce Timm and Gennady Tartakovsky were creative in their works. They were passionate and inventive.

These modern writers just write fanfiction; Power fantasies, self-insert OCs and shipping bullshit. I mean, look at the shit we’ve gotten over the years: The Owl House, The Loud House, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.

And the target audience is supposed to be kids but these shows usually attract retarded adults and teens who don’t want to grow up.

It's like modern people are too desperate to be influenced by either Genndy Tartakovsky, Craig McCracken, Bruce Timm, etc., but whereas these three are more creative and passionate, modern industry writers aren't.

Shit like Star vs. started out promising in the first season, but afterwards had shat the bed and that, as well as other shows made for children, and they are more watched by mentally retarded manchildren between teen years to their early-40s who still have Peter Pan syndrome.

Cartoon shows from the 90s and 2000s (even beforehand like the golden age of animation of the 30s through 60s) had more heart and soul with ideas. Each cartoon during these respective times were showing their identities, unlike cartoons from 2010s onward where they're either beanface kids shows, shitty by-the-numbers computer animated kids movies, anime-inspired action shows, adult animated sitcoms that look identical to either Matt Groening or Seth MacFarlane shows, etc.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Indeed, Have you ever noticed that all the “popular and correct opinions” about Western animations are actually held by man children?

Twitter and Reddit love to shill and praise all the Cal arts style shows like The Owl House. But notice how children are not that into them?

Halloween was a few days ago and, after all these years I’ve yet to see a single kid dressed as a Steven Universe Character. Not even a single kid buying their merchandise. No backpacks, no toys. Nothing. It’s just adults praising it for “representation.”

Teen Titans Go! admittedly isn’t my cup of tea, but the undeniable fact is that kids, real kids, love that show. The people that bitch and moan about it all day, are mostly adults that should have jobs by now.

The open secret is that most of the internet popular western shows “for kids” are being made and being watched by adults.

I will never understand why it’s adults.

I mean, I’m an adult and I love animation but I don’t buy toys, backpacks or funkopops. I don’t shill or praise for shows like The Owl House.

It’s just weird.

 

[Trilby]

I will never understand why it’s adults.

I mean, I’m an adult and I love animation but I don’t buy toys, backpacks or funkopops. I don’t shill or praise for shows like The Owl House.

It’s just weird.

It certainly changed after the 20th Century.

 

[A Grey Cat]

One of the biggest problems with a lot of modern writers and the fans is their immaturity and inability to let go.

These people might be older physically but mentally they’re still the immature teenagers they were in their youth.

i said the same thing about vivziepop and hazbin/hella over in that thread. It's pathetic when you realize viv HAD potential at first much like my next point.

These modern writers just write fanfiction; Power fantasies, self-insert OCs and shipping bullshit.

agree with you there however:

The Owl House,

Had potential as an idea (even if it is a rip off of the superior anime little witch academia and an attempt to make a halal harry potter after rowling was rendered verbooten) Enjoyed the setup and still like the characters and setting even if it was all wasted before the first season even ended.

The Loud House,

Basically the kids version of rick and morty at this point, not in concept but in how it's life has gone. It was a decent return to form for nick (because despite what he did or didnt do chris savino IS a veteran from the glory days like genndy and craig) and showed promise, but now with chris gone and idiots in charge its only audience is overgrown kidults and coommers.

Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur.

no rebuttals there, that show can rot in hell for all i care.

The next part is just maturity. Being able to move on from high school and not living your life vicariously through one’s own works. Too many shippers, of which are now show runners, get way to into fantasy. Having a life outside the bubble of internet and media, and again, having more interests to look at, really go a long way.

and it's not like being influenced by one's childhood/adolescence cant work. James patterson's kids books, jeff kinney's wimpky kid series, the works or Roald Dahl. All of them drew influences from their own childhoods but they all knew not to try reliving them. If you ever read Dahl's book Boy the semi autobiography you'll see even though some memories are fond he admits those days are also lousy and its better to not relive them.

Halloween was a few days ago and, after all these years I’ve yet to see a single kid dressed as a Steven Universe Character.

didn't seem many people out but what i did see? kids in classic costumes like witches, devils, monsters like Frankenstein and Dracula, maybe a few "modern" ones like the transformers, Spiderman (the classic red and blue not miles morales) not even ones you'd think be popular with kids like bluey. It's written on the wall kids don't care for this crap even when they have free pass to run around dressed like it.

The people that bitch and moan about it all day, are mostly adults that should have jobs by now.

but is that really still a thing? I'm sure outside a few caballs of internet goblins rotting away in their pods does anyone really give a shit about hating on TTG anymore? Even animation spergs like mrenter have more less moved on from hating TTG.

One of the biggest problems with a lot of modern writers and the fans is their immaturity and inability to let go.

I'm reminded of the fallout New Vegas DLC old world blues. Every member of the think tank was trapped in an endless cycle of constantly reliving their past they couldn't see the blindingly obvious truth in front of them (they're less than human brains in robot bodies, the whole world they knew is gone, and the entire big mt research labs are in shambles) one in particular Dr. Borous even before becoming a brain in a jar. He was obsessed with how much of relentlessly bullied nerd he was in high school and unable to realize that part of his life is utterly meaningless because he's a highly successful scientist now. That he used the resources at his disposal to build a replica of his old high school, declare himself principal, torture people naming them after all his old high school bullies. All because he was THAT petty over one of the most insignificant times in ones life.

Is that poe's law? when something meant to be utterly ridiculous it's impossible to think it could transcend reality but it ultimately does.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Had potential as an idea (even if it is a rip off of the superior anime little witch academia and an attempt to make a halal harry potter after rowling was rendered verbooten) Enjoyed the setup and still like the characters and setting even if it was all wasted before the first season even ended.

Personally, I wasn’t even interested in the first few episodes. While I like fantasy I don’t find witches or wizards fun anymore.

Basically the kids version of rick and morty at this point, not in concept but in how it's life has gone. It was a decent return to form for nick (because despite what he did or didnt do chris savino IS a veteran from the glory days like genndy and craig) and showed promise, but now with chris gone and idiots in charge its only audience is overgrown kidults and coomers .

While I agree with you about Chris Savino on some of his work, I’ve watch The Loud House and I don’t think it had too much promise.

I'm reminded of the fallout New Vegas DLC old world blues. Every member of the think tank was trapped in an endless cycle of constantly reliving their past they couldn't see the blindingly obvious truth in front of them (they're less than human brains in robot bodies, the whole world they knew is gone, and the entire big mt research labs are in shambles) one in particular Dr. Borous even before becoming a brain in a jar. He was obsessed with how much of relentlessly bullied nerd he was in high school and unable to realize that part of his life is utterly meaningless because he's a highly successful scientist now. That he used the resources at his disposal to build a replica of his old high school, declare himself principal, torture people naming them after all his old high school bullies. All because he was THAT petty over one of the most insignificant times in ones life.

Is that poe's law? when something meant to be utterly ridiculous it's impossible to think it could transcend reality but it ultimately does.

I don’t know about Poe’s Law but that does sound ridiculous. And I do agree that high school is one of the most insignificant tines in a person’s life.