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Vyrsa Inglebard said:
And instead of the inspiring heroes/heroines we used to look up to:
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Now ask yourself: who exactly is going to be inspired and motivated by any of the latter?
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All your examples are cartoons for children, which Knights of Guinevere isn't. It's meant to be a show for teenagers and adults, there's blood and guts and smoking and shit. And even in the "inspiring" and "aspirational" shows from the past there are fuck ugly characters and oblique story telling.
Courage being the best example
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Same with My life as a teenage Robot, Sheldon is a very flawed, unattractive character but is in the main cast and has episodes centered around him.
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Disney themselves have even had ugly and unconventional heroes
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It sounds to me like you're saying good guys should be attractive and bad guys should be ugly, which is a very shallow way of thinking.
FrogMinutes said:
The point I'm making here is this isn't a profound idea, it isn't challenging anything, and it hurts to look at it.
the ideas this dana person is playing with are inherently ugly by design, it makes me sad people would rather
explore ugly ideas, over something positive and inspiring.
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How dare an adult make an adult show with adult themes, it doesn't make me feel good!
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ShiftyBoi said:
How dare an adult make an adult show with adult themes, it doesn't make me feel good!
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it's not about feeling good. I want things to lean towards hopeful ideas,
if I were to draw any of those characters less ugly. few people would be upset over it.
If i were to draw frank losing weight, fix her teeth, put her in a healthy straight relationship, that would upset a lot of people who like frank.

every character you posted isn't trying to make a statement about beauty standards, or attempting to draw a man, and call it a woman
they're fucking dudes, they just need to be funny, or strong as shit,
I'd take fucking Sheldon replacing frank, and I always hated that sperg. reason being he can be a good butt of a joke, and is fun to hate.
being mean and making an ugly woman suffer isn't funny, it's just cruel.

I call her a bitch, but she's just some dog piss-shit that was flung on a wall, made by a hack who can never
EVER make her not borderline diabetic. or publicly announce she's straight. if dana ever did any of this her audience would vore her ass.
EVEN IN DISNEY IDEAL WORLD SHE'S STILL A FAT FUCK
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ShiftyBoi said:
All your examples are cartoons for children, which Knights of Guinevere isn't. It's meant to be a show for teenagers and adults, there's blood and guts and smoking and shit.
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The reason why my examples were kids' cartoons is because

1. like it or not, children are still the perceived audience for animation here in the west.

2. what you consume as a child shapes your adult mindset.

Also just because a piece of animation has blood/guts/etc. doesn't necessarily make it "adult". What do I mean by "adult"? I mean actually tackling its topics in a mature way that reflects how a normal emotionally mature ADULT sees the world. Shows like Knights of Guinevere, the Hellaverse duo (Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss), etc. are not adult animation. They're kids shows with adult elements shoddily glued onto them.
ShiftyBoi said:
And even in the "inspiring" and "aspirational" shows from the past there are fuck ugly characters and oblique story telling.
Courage being the best example
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Here's the thing: even though he's ugly, the hunchback is a very kind, gentle, affectionate person. He also sticks up for people weaker than he is. If the episode were written nowadays, he would probably be rewritten to be a snowflake who just wants to be loooooved with no redeemable traits whatsoever.
ShiftyBoi said:
Same with My life as a teenage Robot, Sheldon is a very flawed, unattractive character but is in the main cast and has episodes centered around him.
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Sheldon is quite flawed, yes, but he GROWS PAST THOSE FLAWS. He mellows out of stalking Jenny in later episodes, manages to sneak past the Wakemans' security system, helps Nora board a Cluster warship, lives as a space pirate (eventually a captain) for decades, and even becomes a secret agent. All of this leads to Jenny, Brad, and Tucker actually becoming very close friends to him and even improving his social status with the other kids a bit.
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Disney themselves have even had ugly and unconventional heroes
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Again - sacrifice, even risking death to do so for those in need. Which brings me to:
ShiftyBoi said:
It sounds to me like you're saying good guys should be attractive and bad guys should be ugly, which is a very shallow way of thinking.
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absolutely not what I said at all. Characters used to grow as people or show admirable traits over the course of their journey, even though they went through some pretty tough shit to get there. Characters today don't have struggles, they don't go through any meaningful growth, everything is resolved for them because they're so gosh-darn diverse and perfect.
 
FrogMinutes said:
it's not about feeling good. I want things to lean towards hopeful ideas,
if I were to draw any of those characters less ugly. few people would be upset over it.
If i were to draw frank losing weight, fix her teeth, put her in a healthy straight relationship, that would upset a lot of people who like frank.

every character you posted isn't trying to make a statement about beauty standards, or attempting to draw a man, and call it a woman
they're fucking dudes, they just need to be funny, or strong as shit,
I'd take fucking Sheldon replacing frank, and I always hated that sperg. reason being he can be a good butt of a joke, and is fun to hate.
being mean and making an ugly woman suffer isn't funny, it's just cruel.
I call her a bitch, but she's just some dog piss-shit that was flung on a wall, made by a hack who can never
EVER make her not borderline diabetic. or publicly announce she's straight. if dana ever did any of this her audience would vore her ass.
EVEN IN DISNEY IDEAL WORLD SHE'S STILL A FAT FUCK
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Okay but why does the character have to be skinny with straight teeth to explore hopeful ideas? This isn't Soviet realism, even very idealized and inspiring figures in history didn't look attractive.
And slight Occam's razor but to be fair, the show isn't even out yet. All we know about the character is what we saw in the pilot, and the pilot showed she was just a mechanic.
We don't know what the journey is yet so most of this is just you projecting assumptions onto the show.

Even the other guy (who I can't quote rn thanks Josh) was talking about character's arcs in the examples I gave, Frank has no arc yet. We don't know if she gets worse or better or more attractive or what, so like I said you're just making assumptions based on appearance and context outside the show.

But still, going off what we know about the show, it's a sci fi dystopia story with horror elements in it. That means it has ugly imagery, that means the characters will not look conventional. (hopefully it doesn't turn into mascot horror that would suck). We don't know if the story criticizes the characters because there is no story yet.
I don't even like the design, I think it's ugly aesthetically but I recognize that the point is to show how the environment has shaped the characters. She is missing teeth because her boss manually rips them out with pliers to punish her.
 
I think the main problem with frankies face is that the nose and mouth are very intensely shaped, yet at the same time weirdly flat and small, which makes her fat face and bug eyes look even larger, and in general it looks really out of place on her generally large, round features.
Nothing wrong with giving characters unconventional features, but when you dont balance/compose it properly it becomes yucky to look at.
Each individual component could look really interesting and charming on another character, but when you pick the ugliest options for EVERY feature and dont even match them its just too much!

Any cartoon artist worth their money should be able to make appealing non-attractive characters.
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Also, eyebags are pretty common to add on your cartoon character, but its the miniscule upper eyelid lines above the eyes dana adds that make them look so bugged. Tho I suppose she IS some kinda schizo, so that gets conveyed well at least.

Also WHY THIS BITCH ANKLES SO SMALL, she constanly looks like shes about to topple over
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John "F" Fountain is like the spirit of "wasted potential" made flesh. Cool,you made the machine that makes the shoes,but you didn't design the shoes,you didn't plan the factory that makes the shoes. You didn't sell the shoes.
Animation's Patrick Tomlinson/MovieBob (happily non political). He's kind of a lolcalf atm but a few more crashouts and we can have a WINNER in our hands!
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John F could be a really funny career cow if he keeps the "I MADE YOUR CHILDHOOD" shtick up.
 
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FrogMinutes said:
I think it helps he doesn't make funko pops for a living.
Frank on the other hand? You just KNOW this bitch has a subscription to some shitty lootcrate service,
on top of a streaming service, and a music app AND A FITNESS APP

just look at this fat fuck and tell me she inspires anything other than wanting to look away immediately
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It's Too Much Coffee Man!
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Prophetic Spirit said:
Because Mac is a child and Frankie a teenager(?).
Is the /ss/ dream of /co/.
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While that is true, I am talking about this one
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I think it started in X, a post saying Frankie from KOG looks like she takes shota cock everyday, and from there on /co/ made similar comments. I don't know where they get that, maybe because /co/ associates anyone named Frankie with /ss/? I don't recall anything in the pilot alluding to anything. Nor do I say any characters fitting that description, I think there was a background character, but that is it I don't remember any of them. At least they never made KOG Frankie /ss/ porn. Who wants to see /ss/ with this Frankie?
 
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