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Kari Kamiya said:
And then a literal hit-and-run.
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Toy Story 2 really did have a crazy production run, it's probably widely known but this takes the cake for an epic screw up. 1 copy, no good backups, and deleted.. But somehow there was magically 1 copy someone had of it.

The work done on the film to date was nearly lost in 1998 when one of the animators, while routinely clearing some files, accidentally entered the deletion command code rm -r -f * on the root folder of the Toy Story 2 assets on Pixar's internal servers. Associate technical director Oren Jacob was one of the first to notice as character models disappeared from their works in progress. They shut down the file servers, but had already lost 90% of the work from the last two years. Additionally, it was discovered that the backups had not been functioning for approximately a month. The film was saved when technical director Galyn Susman, who had been working remotely to care for her newborn child, revealed that she had a backup copy of the film on her home computer. The Pixar team was able to recover nearly all of the lost assets save for a few recent days of work, allowing the film to proceed
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Chromeo said:
until my run-in with a minor lolcow whose whole schtick was channeling ghosts.
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Are you talking about that girl who is "dating" the ghost of a revolutionary war soldier?

Tax: I've been catching up with a lot of children's animated movies from the past some-odd years that I've missed, and they have been more enjoyable than I was expecting. I've watched Secret Life of Pets, Sing, Sing 2, and Trolls. I think next I'll watch Rio.
 
Arbiter said:
Are you talking about that girl who is "dating" the ghost of a revolutionary war soldier?
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No, my lolcow is Stephanie Cianfriglia. She claimed to be a medium channeling the ghost of Michael Jackson and groomed a bunch of minors on devianart.
 
Grand Duke Snowfall said:
Some comments are like “Didn’t Roger die in the original novel?” Yes, but apparently Wolf liked the movie so much that he retconned said novel.
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A shame in part because while the novel was a parody of hardboiled detective fiction, it was one of those parodies where quite a bit of the material was just as hardboiled as any straight up crime story. Despite all that happens, in the novel Eddie starts to respect Roger, and towards the end there's a tinge of genuine melancholy that lasts all the way to the last lines:

I looked up at the sky. It was one of those rare days when the Earth revolves a little faster and shoos away the smog. You could see a long way, but not half as far as Roger had gone.
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Gog & Magog said:
I had no idea Chris Sanders, the guy who designed Stitch and Toothless, also did pinups and so many of them. No other comments, just something I never knew before today.
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Horny little fella isn't he?
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Wasn’t the whole point of the last film that Woody was going off on his own. Why the fuck is he back?

Say what you will about 4, but at least it made some sense. If 1-3 were sort of the parent growing up with the child (Woody to Andy), then 4 worked as a nice retirement arc. This just ruins the entire point of Woody moving on in that film.
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Good, 4 should be retconned. Abandoning your friends and family to chase after an ex girlfriend who doesn't respect you whatsoever one day after she came back into your life is a garbage message.

Woody should not be Idubbbz.

The message of Toy Story 2 was about how the good times won't last forever, but seeing them and being there is worth more than anything. Toy Story 3 was about passing that experience on to the next generation.

Toy Story 4 is about how all that shit doesn't matter, fuck dem kids. Hoes before bros.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
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"heeh.... heeeh... you guys wanna see my toe nail collection?"
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I’m late as fuck for this but I just realized something important.

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This image is scuffed but I believe Frankie’s proportions are so off because, directly or indirectly, they’re meant to be like TF2 characters’. They’re Pixar-esque which lend well to the show’s anti-Disney theming. Except, Heavy’s legs are thin to draw eyes to his gun. Frankie doesn’t have that purpose. TF2 characters also have a lot of neutrals which helps with both readability and flexibility, RED or BLU. Frankie’s palette is so crowded it could use this. Keep the yellow/orange in her overalls, add a few more patches and the like to keep her rough, workmanlike edge, and replace the regular neutrals and wacky saturated colors with warm neutrals. You can even have her eyes gray for contrast. Like you can keep the hat, gloves, etc, just don’t have their colors fight each other. The earrings don’t do anything thobeit.
 
Vyse Inglebard said:
Now ask yourself: who exactly is going to be inspired and motivated by any of the latter?
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The only thing I can add to this is that the "old" characters hint at what they could be in the future. Like Jim looks like someone who'd be daring enough to get inside Treasure Planet's core and live to tell the tale. Mulan looks like someone disciplined enough to become a warrior. Aang doesn't just look like a monk, but someone who wants to carry on the culture he lost and live up to its principles. In contrast, even Future Steven looks like a pussy, the next three look like they'd stay "in the present" forever, and ditto for Frankie, who wears her job but not her role in the story. She looks more like an over-designed NPC than a hero. She looks like she wants you to collect 50 lug nuts so she can fix up your robot in her garage.

When you try so hard to be "realistic" that you start losing sight of what things could be, or where they're supposed to go in the first place, your characters lose direction. Steven Universe is a self-fulfilling prophecy in this case; he was a little kid who never grew up until Sugar decided he wasn't. Everything fell on his lap. He never grew organically because he never had to do anything. They forced this trauma shit onto him to make his psychology resemble something like a human being's, but it didn't work. At his core, Steven is a malformed blob designed to be carried by the whims of whoever storyboarded the episode at the time. I don't know about Luz(?) or the other three, but this "shape design" is dogshit because you just know that the people who designed them had no direction.

Basically they hyperfocused on the "flawed" aspect of realism so much, that they forgot that flaws aren't everything that make a person real. It's that Current Year, "eternal present" mentality.
 
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