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I just realized that if Paramount successfully buys Warner: Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Kids' WB and most of Fox Kids's shows will be owned by the same parent company.
What a mindfuck.
 
Coolio55 said:
I just realized that if Paramount successfully buys Warner: Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Kids' WB and most of Fox Kids's shows will be owned by the same parent company.
What a mindfuck.
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Wasn't Nickelodeon originally created under Warner (back when they didn't gobble up a whole bunch of other companies and Discovery) and sold it to Viacom (now just Paramount) for almost all of it's life when it was trying to be edutainment? That'd probably just be some level of irony there if it does come true.
 
Computer Guardian said:
Wasn't Nickelodeon originally created under Warner (back when they didn't gobble up a whole bunch of other companies and Discovery) and sold it to Viacom (now just Paramount) for almost all of it's life when it was trying to be edutainment? That'd probably just be some level of irony there if it does come true.
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Yep, basically a consortium of Warner and American Express. This was the Nickelodeon I first saw.
 
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Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Who's willing to bet Cinderella or the Fairy Godmother will be the villain?
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I'm betting on the Prince, with the Step Sister having to stop Cinderella from entering a toxic relationship.
Celebrate Nite said:
even shit like Venom on the Marvel side of things
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I mean, I care little for the Venom movies, but Venom has been an anti-hero in comics longer than he's been a villain, and fucking over Spider-Man is basically his only reason for villainy (even in his prime villain era it was played as a bit of a joke that he was usually okay to help people so long as they had no connection to Peter) and Spider-Man isn't allowed to exist in his movies.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
Are we just not allowed to have straight-up evil/douchbag characters anymore?
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I think it's still allowed but the shift started around 2015. You'll also find showrunners openly praising Japan for having villains that are not 'evil' - just motivated by goals at odds with the protagonist - around 2015.

I prefer the added nuance. You can have much better-written antagonists that way and it's a better lesson to drill into kids' heads that your enemy has motives that can be understood instead of just being bad-to-the-bone. But like everything in Current Year it gets muddled by Egalitarianism. Instead of really base things driving a villain because some people really are that base in life, they 'equalize' the villain's motives to something that would drive anyone to behave bad; like a terrible past or other therapy-approved reasons.

I've been rewatching a bit of Teen Titans. I like to revisit the stuff I was raised on to see how it influenced my development, and there's definitely rules/habits from that era that I do not miss at all. Like how the threat of being killed is just verbally banned from all shows, or having the 'racism bad' PSA episode where the racist is portrayed with zero justification for his opinion - whereas nowadays they'd give him some kind of backstory.
FK009 said:
We are, but only if they’re ‘cis-straight white males’ If they’re women they can’t actually be all that evil.
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I noticed that in Amphibia specifically. Really insidious. The White girl's only path out of evil is to literally redeem herself by standing up for minorities.

What are the kids even watching these days? Ladybug and Korra? All the kids in my life are either too young or too old for that prime cartoon brainwashing phase, so I'm out of the loop.
 
Coolio55 said:
most of Fox Kids's shows
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Well, if you want to be technical they're owned by disney (and not through the fox acquisition) but originally through the acquisition of fox family, which became abc family now freeform. Basically anything that was owned by saban/fox family which also included any original shows that were created for fox kids (that weren't acquired for syndication or created by a different studio ie. Warner bros television, hanna barbera when it was still owned by turner, some dic properties, etc.) Would go to the walt disney company, although disney mostly does not care about anything that came from fox kids so it has most shows have been stuck in a state of only being able to find as vhs recordings.
 
Namekian George Floyd said:
When everyone became an adult and started to identify with villains more than heroes lmao
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Because not only evil can't create and must corrupt good to "create", wokes feel identified with evil and don't like that. The screams about MURDEER! when Frieren slaughtered capital "e" evil DEMONS and why that was bad because of "muh empathy!" was revealing.
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
What are the kids even watching these days? Ladybug and Korra? All the kids in my life are either too young or too old for that prime cartoon brainwashing phase, so I'm out of the loop.
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my niece mostly plays video games, watches some horror, and binges random animus
she sorta watches that chinese thing with the baby chick and the rabbit?
she's gone through chunks of Old Sailor Moon, JoJo, and Fist of the North Star
 
Legalize Asbestos said:
But like everything in Current Year it gets muddled by Egalitarianism. Instead of really base things driving a villain because some people really are that base in life, they 'equalize' the villain's motives to something that would drive anyone to behave bad; like a terrible past or other therapy-approved reasons.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with that, per se, because in real life, there are just some things are just beyond our control, or we make choices that don't seem bad at the present time but lead to negative consequences later down the road, and by mulling on the negative, that's what makes us become bitter, ugly people that seeks to inflict hurt on others. The problem with modern writing is that the villain doesn't still suffer those consequences at the end of it, they get "rescued" or "forgiven" by the protagonist so they no longer are evil (unless they're straight white males, then they have to die horribly). There's an actual lack of accountability being presented because "It's never my fault" when that's not how the "redemption arc" actually works.

Good villains are the opposing foils to the heroes, they essentially act as a shadow or mirror to show the possible outcome of the main character if they were to forgo their morals or choose to wallow in their faults instead of overcoming their obstacles and weaknesses. That's why villains typically try to tempt the hero to join them because giving up is the "easier" choice compared to the struggle of pushing back against that opposing force to get to the goal. Both characters have motivation, but they can't complement each other to reach their separate goals together, and so what makes the villain so villainous is the innate desire to destroy the other without a second thought, and that's what makes their motivation an actual threat to the hero's.
 
Celebrate Nite said:
Are we just not allowed to have straight-up evil/douchbag characters anymore? Why is it that these people in power need to explain to the plebs that "no really, they are actually good, but had a fucked-up past, so it's not really their fault they are like this!"
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FK009 said:
We are, but only if they’re ‘cis-straight white males’ If they’re women they can’t actually be all that evil.
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To give some credit, the latest season of Hazbin Hotel had the main villain be a guy who literally killed his way to the top of television industry when he was human and is canonically bisexual according the show's creator. There is also a female character who may be a future main antagonist and is depicted as villainous by the writers, but is seen as based by those of us who follow the show's thread.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
Christmas In Tattertown!
failed pilot? what failed pilot, clearly this is a Christmas special

I really respect the theory of wanting to revive whistling rubber hoses, but watching this makes me want to die
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It's not to everyone's liking. I suppose Bakshi wanted a lot to come from this special but it never happened. I saw it when it aired 37 years back and I thought it was OK, not great but something different for '88.
 
Trilby said:
It's not to everyone's liking. I suppose Bakshi wanted a lot to come from this special but it never happened. I saw it when it aired 37 years back and I thought it was OK, not great but something different for '88.
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I can enjoy it for appx three minutes straight after which I want it to shut the fuck up.
No particular three minutes, just in general. It goes from "I see what you did there" to "everything is obnoxious".
I did sincerely chuckle at Oswald near the start
 
Trilby said:
Ran out of ideas, pretty much.
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I dug into archive for basically anything labelled "christmas" and found some shit that you could tell me was ai fake "bland xmas shit" and I'd believe it
a lot of 'the XX who YY Christmas" generic ass nothings in the 90s
not even like any good voices like the story of
this bear who kept his feet on the ground and kept reaching for the stars
 
PS1gamenwatch said:
Since it's that time of the year
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"Joy To The World" is my favorite segment.

XYZpdq Jr. said:
I dug into archive for basically anything labelled "christmas" and found some shit that you could tell me was ai fake "bland xmas shit" and I'd believe it
a lot of 'the XX who YY Christmas" generic ass nothings in the 90s
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I certainly zoned out after the mid 90's. Newer specials just didn't cut it like the classics.

XYZpdq Jr. said:
not even like any good voices like the story of
this bear who kept his feet on the ground and kept reaching for the stars
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Saw this 40 years back, loved it's premise. Lost everything in his old world but gains a new one elsewhere.
 
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