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Squawking Macaw said:
Let the shitflinging begin.
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Grand Duke Snowfall said:
It’s all so tiresome…
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Another unfunny Prince Charming parody incoming...

SoleniyKraut said:
If every villain is misunderstood, then none are.

Why is it a trend?
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I can think of a few potential reasons:

- Making something new is hard. Taking something already made and applying a slightly different cookie cutter to it is easy.

- People still think subversion is automatically clever but they're too stupid to understand what subversion means and think it's inherent to certain things. Like how Cinderella's ripped dress in that image is pink; it's always going to be pink no matter how many times you see the image. To them, misunderstood villains are always subversive and continue to be so no matter how many times you've seen it. The idea that it's a descriptor that only works with a certain wider context is too much for them to understand.

- In the same vein, sad backstories for villains get rubber-stamped as inherently deep and better writing even when they blatantly are not.

- Modern writers are perpetual teenagers trying to prove they don't like what they did as kids anymore cause it's so for babies and they're big grown ups.

- It made money a few times so let's just keep doing it.


From a company perspective the answer is that last one, but there's way too much shit now to believe it's just the poor put upon artists who are actually really skilled being forced into making said shit.
 
Santa's Christmas Snooze
Magician Bear (a bear who is a magician) takes a break from lifting only to discover Santa is more popular than him, so it's voodoo time.

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They're trying to deconstruct and destroy Orwell now. Conspiracy theory type stuff but I genuinely think they are targeting specific medic to wipe out the resistance it brings against their agenda.
 
Londo said:
They're trying to deconstruct and destroy Orwell now. Conspiracy theory type stuff but I genuinely think they are targeting specific medic to wipe out the resistance it brings against their agenda.
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And the worst part is while Orwell was critical of Stalin and communism, he wasn't a fan of nationalism, capitalism, or conservative thinking either. The man did consider himself a socialist who just followed the thinking of "real socialism hasn't been tried yet." Just without a hint of irony often associated with that saying today.


Basically Orwell was a socialist nut not the not the kind of socialist people like Serkis and Rogan consider worthy of praise and especially not worthy of his work being faithfully adapted.


Anyways if I may combine the threads recent political sperging with sharing Christmas specials, I mentioned Franklin when I posted the berenstain bears Christmas. Well as it turns out.

 
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Chromeo said:
Maybe he can have something in his will like Bill Watterson where literally nobody is ever allowed to adapt his shit after he dies?
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The best part? In maus itself, artie boy laments how in portraying daddy dearest accurately to how he was in life, he ended up portraying him exactly like the cartoonishly over the top caricatures of jews. Almost like mort Goldman before mort Goldman.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
There's no way Maus would be adapted for the above reason, unless these parts are conveniently cut and the Nazis' EEVIL exaggerated, as I recall some of them were shown as actual people and that's no good in today's political climate.
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I can only think of a brief momment where a camp gaurd talks to valedeck in a casual way...till he does a brief tour of duty in bierkenua and then doesn't want to say a word to him even yelling at him to shut up. Of course speigelman also drew the "Jewish police" as just as bad as the gestapo. Even had dear old day say and I quote "so like the germans." And had it so that valedecks own cousin wouldn't help him until he saw the jew gold.


So you're pretty much on the nose With how maus won't be 100 percent faithful. I doubt it'll be as awful as animal farm is looking but I mean they'd definitely cut little tidbits like that or the several times the jew mice won't stop selling each other out to the nazis despite how accurate it was both to back than and too today.


Art spieglmen and Robert crumb are truly relics of days gone by. Artie wasn't afraid to admit being a jew carries a ton of baggage and in some ways they deserve the flack we keep giving them. And even though crumb was a reverse coal burner he probably said "nigger, kike and faggot" in his comics more than we do.
 
A Grey Cat said:
I can only think of a brief momment where a camp gaurd talks to valedeck in a casual way...till he does a brief tour of duty in bierkenua and then doesn't want to say a word to him even yelling at him to shut up. Of course speigelman also drew the "Jewish police" as just as bad as the gestapo. Even had dear old day say and I quote "so like the germans." And had it so that valedecks own cousin wouldn't help him until he saw the jew gold.
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I swear there's at least another German guard that wasn't an one-note cartoonish villain. Then again, one of the criticisms that the book itself makes is that the main character is telling his interpretation of the events and deliberately making himself look good, even if there were a few weird scenes that sounded like he wasn't telling everything, like that time he's been stuck in a train for days and he sneak himself close to the ceiling and stays here to not starve or whatever reason was, can't recall.
He also burnt documents that contradicted his version IIRC.
In short, there's blatant rewriting history that wouldn't fly today.

A Grey Cat said:
So you're pretty much on the nose With how maus won't be 100 percent faithful. I doubt it'll be as awful as animal farm is looking but I mean they'd definitely cut little tidbits like that or the several times the jew mice won't stop selling each other out to the nazis despite how accurate it was both to back than and too today.
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I'm not sure who would be interested in watching an animated Maus these days. There are countless stories, many of them already adapted, that tell about how bad it was to live in a concentration camp, how eeevil nazis were, etc, etc. Children today don't watch movies nor have the attention span to do so, and adults are too busy and follow whatever their recommendations tell them.
 
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